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Electric cars?

Would you buy an electric car?

  • Already own one

    Votes: 10 5.1%

  • Yes - would definitely buy

    Votes: 43 21.9%

  • Yes - preferred over petrol car if price/power/convenience similar

    Votes: 78 39.8%

  • Maybe - preference for neither, only concerned with costs etc

    Votes: 37 18.9%

  • No - prefer petrol car even if electric car has same price, power and convenience

    Votes: 24 12.2%

  • No - would never buy one

    Votes: 14 7.1%
  • Total voters
    196
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ducati916 said:
So, a hypothetical for you:

You are using the autopilot. There is an error. An accident follows. Other driver dies.

Where does your legal (criminal) liability lie?

jog on
duc
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At the moment, in its current form, they are very clear that you are required to keep your hands on the wheel and be ready to take control of the car if needed.

I am not a lawyer, but basically they are saying in its current form the driver is responsible for the car, and autopilot features in no way eliminate the drivers need for awareness and vigilance etc etc.

you have to press “agree” to certain documents (which of course I haven’t read fully) to even unlock the features.

As we move towards fully autonomous vehicles I guess it will eventually play out in courts.

I guess it will eventually be seen as no different to a mechanical fault That causes an accident.
 
Value Collector said:
I guess it will eventually be seen as no different to a mechanical fault That causes an accident.
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If that's the case then the car manufacturer could be responsible.

I don't see this happening, the manufacturer will insist that the driver is responsible for driving the car even when it's on autopilot, they will not expose themselves to lawsuits about autopilot failures.
 
SirRumpole said:
I don't see this happening, the manufacturer will insist that the driver is responsible for driving the car even when it's on autopilot, they will not expose themselves to lawsuits about autopilot failures.
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Absolutely Rumpy, if the responsible person isn't the driver, then driver's licenses would no longer be required.
 
SirRumpole said:
If that's the case then the car manufacturer could be responsible.

I don't see this happening, the manufacturer will insist that the driver is responsible for driving the car even when it's on autopilot, they will not expose themselves to lawsuits about autopilot failures.
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it’s their eventual aim to have autopilot car self driving doing uber style pickups, it would be hard to blame the “driver” when there isn’t a driver.

if they do get to the point where they are super safe and crashes are super rare, the risk they are taking would be low, and could be laid off on other entities via insurance etc.
 
sptrawler said:
Absolutely Rumpy, if the responsible person isn't the driver, then driver's licenses would no longer be required.
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it will eventually be That way, it’s hard to imagine that in 100 years tech will still be so lame that it requires a human to operate it.

so thy at means at some stage between now and 100 years things are going to change a lot.
 
Value Collector said:
it will eventually be That way, it’s hard to imagine that in 100 years tech will still be so lame that it requires a human to operate it.

so thy at means at some stage between now and 100 years things are going to change a lot.
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in 100 years absolutely, but I thought we were discussing in the immediate future, where the authorities love to have someone to blame.
 
Value Collector said:
it’s their eventual aim to have autopilot car self driving doing uber style pickups, it would be hard to blame the “driver” when there isn’t a driver.

if they do get to the point where they are super safe and crashes are super rare, the risk they are taking would be low, and could be laid off on other entities via insurance etc.
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Can you buy shares in legal firms ? :D

I'd love to have some when driverless cars become ubiquitous.
 
sptrawler said:
in 100 years absolutely, but I thought we were discussing in the immediate future, where the authorities love to have someone to blame.
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At the moment autopilot is just a tool for the driver to use, it’s still the drivers overall responsibility to operate the car safely.

it’s many billion dollar companies aim to eliminate drivers completely, and it will slowly happen.

As I mentioned above even in the 6 months or so I have had the car there has been steady updates adding functionality to the autopilot feature, So it’s happening quite fast.
 
Value Collector said:
At the moment autopilot is just a tool for the driver to use, it’s still the drivers overall responsibility to operate the car safely.

it’s many billion dollar companies aim to eliminate drivers completely, and it will slowly happen.

As I mentioned above even in the 6 months or so I have had the car there has been steady updates adding functionality to the autopilot feature, So it’s happening quite fast.
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Seems like all you have to do is put some sort of a weight on the wheel and autopilot will take over.

Some fool will tie something heavy enough to the wheel to have the autopilot on all the time and will then doze off and wake up dead.
 
SirRumpole said:
Seems like all you have to do is put some sort of a weight on the wheel and autopilot will take over.

Some fool will tie something heavy enough to the wheel to have the autopilot on all the time and will then doze off and wake up dead.
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Yeah, there are products already on e market that you can attach to the wheel to simulate your hand, so you don’t get the warning every 2 minutes to put your hands back on the wheel.

But I find just having my elbow on the arm rest and my hand resting on the bottom of the wheel does the trick, nice and comfortable.

Also, when I drove the Sydney Brisbane route, and was eating etc, just resting your knee against the wheel also works.
 
Value Collector said:
Yeah, there are products already on e market that you can attach to the wheel to simulate your hand, so you don’t get the warning every 2 minutes to put your hands back on the wheel.

But I find just having my elbow on the arm rest and my hand resting on the bottom of the wheel does the trick, nice and comfortable.

Also, when I drove the Sydney Brisbane route, and was eating etc, just resting your knee against the wheel also works.
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Any problems finding charging stations Sydney-Brisbane ?
 
SirRumpole said:
Any problems finding charging stations Sydney-Brisbane ?
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Not at all, Tesla have placed them about every 200 - 250 kms, All the way from Brisbane to Adelaide.

The car automatically plans the charging stops you need to make along the way and takes you to them.

So you end up stoping about every 3 hours for 15 mins or so.

I stopped 4 times which is the same as I would have to do in a petrol car when you factor in a fuel stop, a couple of pee breaks and grabbing some lunch.

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also, you can drive as far north as cairns using the Qld government charging network.
 
Value Collector said:
Not at all, Tesla have placed them about every 200 - 250 kms, All the way from Brisbane to Adelaide.

The car automatically plans the charging stops you need to make along the way and takes you to them.

So you end up stoping about every 3 hours for 15 mins or so.

I stopped 4 times which is the same as I would have to do in a petrol car when you factor in a fuel stop, a couple of pee breaks and grabbing some lunch.

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also, you can drive as far north as cairns using the Qld government charging network.
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Be a little carefull with that charging map, when I looked at the charging points in Country W.A, a lot didn't have a standard plug setup.
 
sptrawler said:
Be a little carefull with that charging map, when I looked at the charging points in Country W.A, a lot didn't have a standard plug setup.
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I only use Tesla supercharges, They are mark orange on that plug share app.

But that Map is interactive, and you can click on each point and see what charging equipment it has, get reviews and see photos etc etc.

Some of the people that like to road trip off the major highways will need to own 2 adapters if they plan on using some if the older charging sites.

But most of the new ones are moving to the standard plug that fits straight into the Model 3.

Also, once at your destination you can charge of any power point.
 
Who says people are stupid, top auto engineers say ICE car sales to continue declining untill 2025, as electrics move in. Also there will be a steady reduction, in the amount of workers required, in auto assembly.
https://www.drive.com.au/news/have-we-hit-peak-automotive-production--123175.html?trackLink=SMH3
From the article:
While Denner acknowledged a rise in electric vehicle production would create job opportunities in the future, he expected it would have an impact on jobs in the short-term.

Bosch revealed that only one human worker is needed in the production of an electric motor, compared with 10 workers for a diesel injection system and three for a gasoline system.
 
Just a random thought, but wouldn't it be great if Formula 1 racing went electric ?

Racing improves the breed they say, I can't think of a better way to get great engineering minds focussed on the future.

:cool:
 
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