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Electric cars?

Would you buy an electric car?

  • Already own one

    Votes: 10 5.1%

  • Yes - would definitely buy

    Votes: 43 21.7%

  • Yes - preferred over petrol car if price/power/convenience similar

    Votes: 78 39.4%

  • Maybe - preference for neither, only concerned with costs etc

    Votes: 38 19.2%

  • No - prefer petrol car even if electric car has same price, power and convenience

    Votes: 25 12.6%

  • No - would never buy one

    Votes: 14 7.1%
  • Total voters
    198
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Value Collector said:
Most long haul happens between the cities on major freeways with single drivers.
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Long haul Peth to Adelaide, Melbourne, Sydney, Brisbane mostly 2-up drivers.
Been there done that. Non stop except for comfort stop. 5 mins. Eat on the go. Sleep 5 hours, and drive 5 hours
 
farmerge said:
Long haul Peth to Adelaide, Melbourne, Sydney, Brisbane mostly 2-up drivers.
Been there done that. Non stop except for comfort stop. 5 mins. Eat on the go. Sleep 5 hours, and drive 5 hours
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Again, most of the freight in Australia isn’t crossing the Nullarbor from Perth, it’s travelling up and down the east coast, between the main population centres not using two up drivers.

Also, having just driven across the USA, I can tell you every truck stop there has dozens of trucks parked up with the owners using the showers, restaurant or sleeping.

the below is a pretty common site, it the worlds biggest truck market, all those vehicles on the left are parked and could be slow charging while the owners attend the needs of the human body. the ones parked at the bowsers could be doing a quick 30 min charge before heading out for another 8 hours driving.

 
Was thinking about truck drivers allowable time found this

Work and rest requirements | NHVR

In addition to the general duty to not drive a fatigue-regulated heavy vehicle on a road while fatigued, drivers must comply with certain maximum work and minimum rest limits.
www.nhvr.gov.au
 
Yep, so for a solo driver 30 mins of charge time every 8 hours should not be a deal breaker, it’s less than the mandated break times.

(now que the comments of road trains on the Nullabor )
 
well not that far from where i am is a rare oddity in Australia .. an operating oil refinery,that buys the oil from Bridgeport Energy ( a subsidiary of NHC ) , you don't even need to import the oil

now if EV was so good the State/Federal Government would convert ALL the rail to electric but here in Queensland they have much difficulty just keeping the rail network up to current demand , let alone state-wide electrification ,

if most of the long range transport was done by ( electric ) train maybe EV trucks would be more appealing ( they would be mostly short/medium haul )
 
Value Collector said:
Yep, so for a solo driver 30 mins of charge time every 8 hours should not be a deal breaker, it’s less than the mandated break times.

(now que the comments of road trains on the Nullabor )
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actually i was thinking of ridiculing the major freight /rail line across that same area that would take a big load off the highway ( and heavy vehicles and less time waiting for an available charger )
 
divs4ever said:
actually i was thinking of ridiculing the major freight /rail line across that same area that would take a big load off the highway ( and heavy vehicles and less time waiting for an available charger )
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Rail is definitely the most sensible way to move things across those distances. In the USA they load truck trailers directly on to trains, and have truck pick them up at the other end.

this is one of Berkshire Hathaways trains transporting truck trailers.

 
It’s is happening slowly, freight trains will be moving to battery electric over time.
 
we have actually had electric vehicles ( battery powered ones ) for much longer than 26 years but battery tech didn't advance much in the last one hundred years

manufacturers love complexity and extra tiny moving parts , they love 'features' more that efficiency ( seems to justify price increases )
 
divs4ever said:
manufacturers love complexity and extra tiny moving parts , they love 'features' more that efficiency ( seems to justify price increases )
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No, they don't.

Complexity is inefficient, expensive to design and manufacture, expensive to maintain and cover under warranty.

The reason that ICEV have become so complex is not due to the manufactures wanting it, it is because of the ever-increasing emissions and safety rules that have been introduced for the health of consumers.

The Exhaust Gas Recirculation (EGR) system was introduced in the 1970's the increase in NOx emissions. This caused engines to lose power and become less efficient, complexity was forced on manufacturers.

Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF) is another complex system introduced by governments to minimise the poisonous emissions for the safety of consumers.

The above are only two of the many complexities forced on manufacturers for the benefit of consumers.

A hybrid vehicle requires a combustion engine with 'complex' emission devices, and all the componentry required for an electric motor and battery.

An EV does away with the complex combustion engine and makes do with a modern efficient and relatively simple electric motor.

Though I do agree that manufacturers are poor at improving and reducing complex parts. Take a look at the assembly of the body, watch Sandy Munro explain some of it -

 
a bit of info about Lithium batteries.

While all lithium batteries are generally lumped together in one category, it is important to note here that not all lithium batteries are created equal.​
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Lithium battery cells are graded into A, B and C categories after manufacture. A-grade Lithium cells meet the manufacturer’s specifications within a tight tolerance whereas B and C grade cells are outside the specifications.​
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There is no doubt that lithium is here to stay. Advancements in this space will see more and more applications being powered by Lithium batteries in the coming years.​


 

Maybe they have found it too hard to compete in Germany. Tesla is the biggest EV manufacturer in Germany, and producing batteries. They are expanding production, including batteries, but getting a hard time from Unions and environmentalists, as seen in recent news articles.

Hundreds of climate protesters have clashed with police in Germany after attempting to storm the Tesla factory near Berlin. ​
Several people were injured, including three police officers, during Friday's demonstration against the proposed expansion of the electric car giant's only European plant.​

Electricians and dockworkers across Sweden on Friday joined a widening effort by unions in the country to pressure Tesla to sign a collective bargaining agreement with its mechanics.

The labor action expanded three weeks after the autoworkers’ union, IF Metall, called a strike against Tesla in an effort to secure a collective arrangement over pay

 
EVs will have their place but it will not be 'everywhere ' any time soon

they tried the 'fad/hype ' strategy and some consumers are smart enough to work out what is good for them in an economy facing uncertainty

let's see how often EV makers shoot themselves in the leg ( like many auto-makers before them )
 
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