I know I should not bother playing your one upmanship games , but I will always call out BS when I see it.
if you look at the the original site where I quoted the figures, you can highlight the F -series and see that it only includes the light and medium duty trucks, the F150, F-250 and F-350.
The pickups in the F-series do not include any commercials trucks like the " f-450, f-550 etc " as you suggest.
Mick
My original article was about how the US buyers prefer pickup trucks of any and all makes by a significant margin, and ford was at the top,Even if you only include those three models from the Fseries, it’s still no different than including the model 3 and Y together.
As I said the Model 3 and Y are built on the same platform, same battery, same motors, same seats, same interior etc and are basically just a variation of the same model, one is sedan one is hatch back with a slightly larger cabin, that’s the only difference,
Counting the 3 & Y together is no different than counting the different f series together.
Did you know there are 6 versions of the F-150 alone? So the F-series has like 12 different models in total.
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None of this really bothers me, I don’t really care how many F-series are sold. All I am pointing out is that if you really want to compare which series of models are out selling others, you should probably count the 3 and Y together if you are going to count the f-150 f-250 and f350 together.
Even that point is wrong, the most popular class of vehicles in the USA is SUV’s not pickups.My original article was about how the US buyers prefer pickup trucks of any and all makes by a significant margin, and ford was at the top,
As I have shown, the facts aredon't let facts get in the way of VCs poor reading skills
As usual, you don't quote where you get your figures from.Even that point is wrong, the most popular class of vehicles in the USA is SUV’s not pickups.
As I said , since the top place was taken by ford because they consolidated all their f-series, I was simply pointing out that if you consolidated the 3 and y they would be in second place,
if you don’t think that sort of data correction is valid, well I wish you luck with your investing, because you are going to be mislead by statistics, and guys like me will eat your lunch.
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As I have shown, the facts are
1, pickup trucks are not the most popular vehicle type in general in the USA, the SUV is the biggest selling class followed by cars.
2, the F-series pickups, is a consolidation of 3 different models which boosts its numbers. the F-150 for example only makes up 3.7% of total vehicle sales, if you consolidated other models of similar build you would get a different graph.
So maybe it’s you that’s letting your headline reading stopping you seeing the real facts of the situation.
Yes, but "Mullo's" original claim was that Pickups were the biggest category, but as he has now realised its Crossovers, which are basically SUV's and manufacturers and consumers use the terms SUV's and Crossovers interchangeably.interesting fact Americans like their Crossovers
So, Thank you for finally admitting thatAs usual, you don't quote where you get your figures from.
From Statista , where the last two full years, 2021 and 2022 are shown.
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crossover vehicles, not SUV's are biggest segment.
And for both the years quoted, Pickup's outsold SUV's nearly 2 to 1.
Go back and read the original thread post, the top three selling vehicles so far in 2023 are all pick up trucks.
Mick
Oh, Mullo... you are doing it again>As usual, you don't quote where you get your figures from.
From Statista , where the last two full years, 2021 and 2022 are shown.
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crossover vehicles, not SUV's are biggest segment.
And for both the years quoted, Pickup's outsold SUV's nearly 2 to 1.
Go back and read the original thread post, the top three selling vehicles so far in 2023 are all pick up trucks.
Mick
Yes, but "Mullo's" original claim was that Pickups were the biggest category, but as he has now realised its Crossovers, which are basically SUV's and manufacturers and consumers use the terms SUV's and Crossovers interchangeably.
So how did I lose the debate? (although I wouldn't call it a debate)
lost what? is pickups the biggest category?you lost again quit before you make an even bigger fool of yourself
You might use crossover and SUV interchangeably, but the manufactures do not.So, Thank you for finally admitting that
Oh, Mullo... you are doing it again>
Thanks for finally realising that pickups are not the biggest category.
But now I need to to realise another point, the Term "Crossover" and "SUV" are often used interchangeably by both manufacturers and consumers, and I doubt most people can tell them apart.
Also your graph breaks up "Cars" into Small, midsized, luxury and large, if you combine them all into one category eg Cars, they beat pickups.
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Take a look at the photo, two SUV’s and Two Crossovers, I think there is less difference in these vehicles than between a F-150 and an F-350.
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It's All About The Platform
The only major difference between an SUV and a crossover is the frame. If one is based on a truck's platform, it's an SUV, but if it's based on a car's platform, it's a crossover. This means that an SUV has a body-on-frame design while all crossovers are considered unibody vehicles.
Unique Platforms
A crossover's body and frame are built in a single piece. This is called unibody construction. This design provides a better ride quality and, because it's lighter, generally achieves better fuel efficiency. Sport-Utility Vehicles, better known as SUVs, use a body-on-frame design. That means the frame and body are built separately and joined together during the manufacturing process. These truck-based vehicles are generally more rugged and can be used to haul larger payloads. That's not to say, however, that you can't tow with a crossover.
Just put them on ignore, no one needs to deal with antagonists on a Friday arvo.You might use crossover and SUV interchangeably, but the manufactures do not.
Both in this link Toyota and Mitsubishi, a couple of fairly big manufacturers say
This all started because as damn near every other post, you want to bring every discussion on EV's back to Tesla because you own one.
My original post said the top three selling cars in the US were Pickups, and by some distance.
I did not lump all pickups together, but you want to create your own statsout of thin air.
Mick
Yeah, there is an ignore function on ASF, but then you miss the 1 in 100 posts when they say something useful.Just put them on ignore, no one needs to deal with antagonists on a Friday arvo.
1, Many manufacturers do use the term crossover and SUV interchangeably, Tesla’s model Y would be a crossover strictly speaking, but it’s marketed as a “midsized SUV”. Many other manufacturers market their “crossovers the same way”. Even the source I quoted clearly was calling the cross over class suv.You might use crossover and SUV interchangeably, but the manufactures do not.
Both in this link Toyota and Mitsubishi, a couple of fairly big manufacturers say
This all started because as damn near every other post, you want to bring every discussion on EV's back to Tesla because you own one.
My original post said the top three selling cars in the US were Pickups, and by some distance.
I did not lump all pickups together, but you want to create your own statsout of thin air.
Mick
I can honestly say I haven’t been trying to be an antagonist, I was generally just trying to point out that the pickup sales quoted in the graph didn’t give the full picture and were misleading him.Just put them on ignore, no one needs to deal with antagonists on a Friday arvo.
Doesn’t affect the batteries at all, they have their owning cooling system.That's just VCs style. Everyone has their idiosyncrasies.
Now that you lot have stopped splitting hairs, how do the evs handle this heatwave?
Do the batteries struggle in the heat?
The cold weather appears to affects the range a lot more than hot weather. They all have battery cooling systems and if you live In a cold climate country they actually fit battery warming equipment, usually heat pump variety.That's just VCs style. Everyone has their idiosyncrasies.
Now that you lot have stopped splitting hairs, how do the evs handle this heatwave?
Do the batteries struggle in the heat?
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