Older Tesla’s (like mine), don’t have a heat pump to warm the cabin, so rely on resistance heaters, that uses a bit of power if you want to really heat the cabin.
I think @moXJO was asking about battery performance In hot weather, rather than cabin heating.
Yeah, I had already answered him earlier in paragraph 1, where I said the battery is fine.
EV for suburban use had made sense for more than 20 years , but hardly any uptake ( or preparedness )That's what I do and as I've said it works for me
I have only used recharging stations twice in 13 months of ownership, as I said the wife and I are going to Kalgoorlie in two weeks, we are taking the train. You can't be more efficient than that.
If I need to rent a car will I rent an EV? hell no.
There are a lot of things that aren't green and there are a lot of greenies who drive ICE cars, live in McMansions with huge A/C units.
The wife and I have an EV, five electric bikes, two electric scooters, an electric lawnmower, edger, chainsaw, whipper snipper, trimmer, all my power tools are battery operated, I'm not a greenie it is just that I have solar on my places and it works for me that's all.
I know I'm not changing the climate, I'm not stupid, the greenies that get out of their ICE car or get off the ICE bus and glue themselves to the road are.
But hey everyone to their own, the Government will do whatever they think will get them into office, when they stuff up the very same thing that got them in, gets them out.
Life goes on, allow for the worst and hope for the best is my motto.
The Government is going to spend mind bending tax payers money on the transition to renewables, can I change that? No. Will it work, well not if every country doesn't follow suit.
Can I mitigate the cost to me? Well you and my son have, by being off grid.
But if you are in suburbia you will have limited options, other than use the electricity for your own consumption as in charging the EV, tools etc.
Life moves on, who knows what it will look like in 20 years, the cassette tape has come and gone, the CD has come and gone, the DVD has just about gone.
Don't get too hung up on today, is my advice.
Will EV's work, who knows? If they don't they don't. but if it works for you, why not?
Same as you and the son going off grid, it wouldn't work for me I'm in suburbia, same as an EV doesn't work for him he is on 100 acres in the country he has a diesel car and a diesel ute.
I'm in suburbia I have an EV and am on grid, that's life, it doesn't make me a greenie and it doesn't make me a bad person, just makes me someone who is trying to smooth out their spending and hassles.
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On the subject of Tesla and range, there has been a bit of annoyance at Tesla being over optimistic.
I know a mate of mine, who has a model 3 and a model Y got a bit of a shock, when I asked him how the model Y went on the trip to Kalgoorlie. He said that it was ok he arrived in Merredin with 16% left in the battery, I told him I read an 'Inside EV'report and they said the Tesla was up to 12% over estimating range, that shocked him.
Well it looks like the issue has hit mainstream news, it isn't a problem if you know about it, but if the person believes the GOM (guesso meter) range they could run out.
The Tesla is a great car IMO probably the best EV currently on the market, but they should try and make the GOM more accurately reflect the true range.
The last article in this post is extremely comprehensive and explains the theory very well.
Tesla is under fire following a special report which alleges the company specifically installed software designed to overestimate the driving range displayed to drivers, while also employing underhand tactics to handle thousands of customer complaints.
Tesla accused of intentionally overestimating driving range, secretly dodging complaints – report
A special report claims Tesla created software which would deliberately overestimate the driving range of its vehicles.www.drive.com.au
A damning report from news outlet Reuters alleges Tesla "rigged" dashboard readouts of the estimated driving range on its electric cars, according to information provided by an unnamed source.
The insider – who claims to have seen an early version of the modified software – alleges Tesla vehicles would overestimate the distance the car could travel when it had more than 50 per cent charge.
Once the battery charge level fell below half, only then would the vehicle allegedly show realistic driving range projections.
The insider said the decision to show the "rosy" projections was made around a decade ago, when Tesla was only selling the Roadster sports car and the Model S large sedan.
It's not known whether the same algorithm has been added to the Model 3 and Model Y, or if it was fitted to Australian-delivered vehicles.
The report also claims Tesla more recently put together a "Diversion Team" in Las Vegas – specifically created to cancel the appointments of customers who had booked in their cars with service departments for range-related complaints.
The ability to book a service appointment based on complaints of driving range was later removed from the Tesla app in the US – customers could however request a Tesla representative contact them.
This from an Aussie with no skin in the game:
From the article:Tesla Model 3 Review: Great Car, Ridiculous Claimed Range
The Tesla Model 3 is a great electric car, but it does have one major problem. It's not with the car itself but Tesla's claims about it.www.solarquotes.com.au
Range
The range is fine. When I reviewed the much shorter range of Electric Mini, I tried to point out that even if a total idiot heads out on a long day trip without knowing where public chargers are or even how to use them, it’s still fine. But some people took it the wrong way and thought I was saying its range wasn’t nearly enough. The Model 3 SR+ has much more range than the Electric Mini and can charge faster so — for the majority of drivers — range won’t be a problem.
Unfortunately, the 490 km range Tesla was giving for the Model 3 SR+ on their Australian site until a few days ago is absolute bull****.
This is a very informative article for the technically minded:
EV range on Australian highways: Why Model 3 beats all other electric cars on efficiency
There’s a good reason why a Model 3 looks like a bar of soap, especially in white. And the new Highland version suggests efficiency has improved even further.
www.tesla.com
Yes John, I think the manufacturers should put more time into the range estimation software, I'm sure they could work out better algorithms than they currently have. Everything makes a difference, but sample rates and more inputs should be able to give better estimates I would have thought.Range is subjective of all vehicles, but more so with EVs.
RangeThe WLTP standard can be useful in comparing ranges among electric vehicles. Ranges listed as “estimate” or “est.”, like those under wheel and seating selections, if available, are estimations based on your chosen configuration.Actual range may vary based on factors such as speed, weather conditions and elevation change.
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I do find that the Tesla is pretty spot on most of the time, if you put a destination into GPS it tells you the % of battery you should have when you arrive, and it seems to take into account all sorts of factors because it always seems to be correct or very close like within a few points.
Well I would think with their over the air connection, they would be privy to a huge amount of data, so getting the accuracy improved shouldn't be difficult.
It depends what you mean.
I'm only saying, what most people are saying.
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It will be interesting to see the time base for refueling between the two, I would expect the battery buses to be lot better in the suburban deployment as regenerative braking would help.For those who've argued the case for hydrogen in heavy vehicles, Tasmania's doing a trial of electric and separately hydrogen (fuel cell) buses in comparable use on regular public transport routes.
Zero Emission Bus Trial Project Update: April 2023 - Metro Tasmania
In April the process for approving the award of contracts to supply the new buses, battery chargers and hydrogen refueller to the Preferred Tenderers was progressed. Contracts are expected to be awarded in May 2023.
- Battery Electric Bus Trial(Launceston)
- Four Battery Electric Buses (BEBs) will operate on a wide range of existing Metro routes for two years, commencing in late 2023. A BEB is powered by an electric motor with the energy coming from on-board batteries. Mains power electricity is used to charge the batteries through chargers, which will be installed in Metro’s Launceston depot
Note - Mornington is in suburban Hobart. Metro Tasmania is a state government owned entity and the main operator of urban public transport in the state, primarily in Hobart and Launceston.
- Fuel Cell Electric Bus Trial(Hobart)
- Three Fuel Cell Electric Buses (FCEBs) will operate on a wide range of existing Metro routes for three years, commencing in mid 2024. A FCEB is also powered by an electric motor, with hydrogen gas used as the fuel. The hydrogen is converted to electricity on-board through a fuel-cell. The ‘exhaust’ from a FCEB is water, coming out as steam. The FCEBs will be refuelled at a hydrogen refuelling station, which will be installed at Metro’s Mornington depot.
Electrical capacity of the hydrogen electrolyser is planned to be 700kW for the specific purpose of fuelling these buses.
It's a proper trial in that the buses will be used in the normal manner carrying passengers on normal routes. My understanding being they plan to rotate them over different routes during the trial - so inner city, longer runs to the outer suburbs, routes with hills and those without, etc.
And also much the same is being done in SA. New electric bus has arrived and as with the Tasmanian trial will be used on normal route service carrying passengers.
Introducing Adelaide’s first electric bus
Enjoy a smoother, quieter and cleaner ride.
Mile End depot is an existing bus depot just outside the Adelaide CBD.
For bus transport, H2 or ammonia hybrids could good:It will be interesting to see the time base for refueling between the two, I would expect the battery buses to be lot better in the suburban deployment as regenerative braking would help.
Hopefully they get the opportunity to use them on longer runs at higher speeds, to see if there is any advantage in the hydrogen model, when used in that scenario.
Trust Tassie to do the heavy lifting.
I don’t think you understand what I am saying, have another read of my last two posts.I'm only saying, what most people are saying.
That what the car is saying, isn't what they are actually getting.
As @JohnDe says, it is very dependant on terrain, climatic conditions, how much load the car is carrying and what electrical accessories you are using.
Obviously non of those factors affect your car, which obviously is special and is obviously influenced by your share holding, which is understandable.
If they install a small battery on the hydrogen buses, they should be able to do regen braking too.It will be interesting to see the time base for refueling between the two, I would expect the battery buses to be lot better in the suburban deployment as regenerative braking would help.
Hopefully they get the opportunity to use them on longer runs at higher speeds, to see if there is any advantage in the hydrogen model, when used in that scenario.
Trust Tassie to do the heavy lifting.
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