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Electric cars?

Would you buy an electric car?

  • Already own one

    Votes: 10 5.1%

  • Yes - would definitely buy

    Votes: 43 21.9%

  • Yes - preferred over petrol car if price/power/convenience similar

    Votes: 78 39.8%

  • Maybe - preference for neither, only concerned with costs etc

    Votes: 37 18.9%

  • No - prefer petrol car even if electric car has same price, power and convenience

    Votes: 24 12.2%

  • No - would never buy one

    Votes: 14 7.1%
  • Total voters
    196
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The Hilux is the choice of mining companies and BHP has just purchased a heap of new ones probably because of the safety and ANCAP ratings even though the speed limit is under 60 at the most.
These mines operate 24/7 so when will they charge them?
 
Humid said:
The Hilux is the choice of mining companies and BHP has just purchased a heap of new ones probably because of the safety and ANCAP ratings even though the speed limit is under 60 at the most.
These mines operate 24/7 so when will they charge them?
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Same way they would schedule them in for servicing, maintenance and re-fuelling. Or you could use vehicles with interchangeable battery packs.

I would think it could get to the point where mines could use solar, battery and other sources to provide power to refuel EVs....combine that with the lower servicing costs of an EV and the economics will start to stack up well at some stage.
 
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SirRumpole said:
I'd like to see Shorten set an example and convert the ComCar fleet to electric.
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goes the surplus...all that for car doing 40km a day, 5 days a week max on average? Let's get some interesting figures about gov car fleet..i know council car usage is pathetic and we would be better off paying most of the drivers a taxi ride than buying and servicing cars for their use
If the concept of owning a car is now irrelevant for many, a lot of the company cars become even less justified if it is just for a commute to work
 
Humid said:
These mines operate 24/7 so when will they charge them?
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What happens when the Bathurst 1000 goes all electric? When the field pitt stops for refuelling, the race will be stopped and everyone will have a two hour siesta.
 
I'm more in process,ship loaders,stackers,reclaimers,train load out and car dumpers plus Kms of conveyors, surge bins transfer stations
These places are pretty big and it gets bloody hot.....the only walking you do is on the stairs.
Lots of rail .......you don't walk over rail lines,you go around
 
Transport of personnel for maintenance, change of shift,etc
But mines are not exactly the prime example of ute needs, for ute,think more farming rural tasks be it the shearer, the pump repair guy, fencer etc..
 
After learning that a Tesla is more polluting overall than a diesel , not that surprised actually, i was genuinely surprised by the absence of major cost difference between an e.v. and a c.e car if you do not recharge on your home solar
I quote
Tesla’s local website says it will cost $78 to travel 1000km, compared with $89 for a car using 7.7L/100km at $1.50 a litre.
https://www.news.com.au/technology/...a/news-story/eaee0a0053036bfa96f707b0bdcecbc1
Anyone owning an EV actually calculating the pure kw cf fuel cost?
 
According to our host, the battery-powered beastie starts at $59,990 Australian dollars. That, he notes, is a far cry from the cost of the petrol-powered version. The base price on the fossil fuel burner is $25,990 Australian dollars.

Early but expensive days. But I think the services were capped at $165 for ev. And a claimed 498 km range. I still wouldn't buy that shtty little hatchback for that price. But its the start of a change and prices will get cheaper.

Australia needs the infrastructure built to cater though. And we are at the whim of the manufacturing world. Realistically we are still a while off.

Talking to a few auto electricians the other day and how they must be excited about the upcoming evs. "Nup" was the reply. Current is enough to fry you and I think he mentioned needing specialist equipment or something.

Anyway they didn't want to touch them which was a surprise. But thought it would be 15 years before we saw them in any numbers anyway.

Looking at some of the 4x4 utes, they have a max water depth of 900mm to 1000mm. I wonder what happens if you go over that and if there is any risk of frying yourself?

I remember a few petrol cars getting caught in flood waters and ended up in a creek. Bloody thing still started after going underwater.
 
qldfrog said:
Transport of personnel for maintenance, change of shift,etc
But mines are not exactly the prime example of ute needs, for ute,think more farming rural tasks be it the shearer, the pump repair guy, fencer etc..
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BHP just bought 500 Hiluxs where I have been working....they are the choice of vehicles in iron ore in WA
But tell me more
 
Humid said:
BHP just bought 500 Hiluxs where I have been working....they are the choice of vehicles in iron ore in WA
But tell me more
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Yeah I saw them everywhere on mine sites. Toyota generally holds pole position on vans and utes. Pricey though... I'd hate to get stung for a fleet of evs.
In saying that... they would never get close to matching the range of a diesel with a long range fuel tank.
I honestly don't see how they would do in the outback areas. More a city thing.
 
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moXJO said:
Yeah I saw them everywhere on mine sites. Toyota generally holds pole position on vans and utes. Pricey though... I'd hate to get stung for a fleet of evs.
In saying that... they would never get close to matching the range of a diesel with a long range fuel tank.
I honestly don't see how they would do in the outback areas. More a city thing.
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Ev’s Would actually be much better suited to out back areas.

Picture a fuel station in the middle of the out back, it relies on tanker trucks constantly bringing fuel from refineries that are 100’s or even 1000’s or kilometers away, and the refinery relies on tanker ships bringing crude from 1000’s of kilometers away.

Then picture across the road a recharging station with a few hundred solar panels sitting in a paddock, producing all the electricity needed to recharge cars and trucks locally, no need for a massive supply chain of trucks and ships.

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I mean even constructing charging stations across the nullabor that look like this would be a lot more efficient than the current system of ships, refineries and tanker trucks.
 
moXJO said:
Yeah I saw them everywhere on mine sites.
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What I'm failing to understand here is why electric power would be a problem?

Are there really people who just drive around mines all day, doing hundreds of km per shift, and never really get out of the ute or even stop moving?

Maybe someone on security patrol or something I could understand but not hundreds surely?

Wouldn't these vehicles be parked outside a workshop, mill or whatever a lot of the time in practice? If so then then if the mine has power from the grid or pipeline gas then the logistics of EV's leave diesel for dead.
 
One thing i know for sure is that environment is incredibly hard in a mine, just with the dust vibrations i would not even think about putting an ev around
Diesel are simpler basic engines they can swallow dust, be submerged running, shaken..
There is no realistic way an ev with its myriads of batteries connection will not fall in a heap there
It is actually the ultimate test for the ev ute, i doubt i will see this in my lifetime
And not considering sending back the ev car 2000km to brisbane or perth for major repairs
Last place on earth to gave an ev
 
Ev of sorts are used in mining
Big haulers are either caterpillar or Komatsu
Caterpillar went diesel while Komatsu are actually hybrids with electric motors powered by diesel engine
Draglines are also mostly electric
So mining is not opposed to electricity when it makes sense..
Even if they get diesel rebates
 
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