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Electric cars?

Would you buy an electric car?

  • Already own one

    Votes: 10 5.1%

  • Yes - would definitely buy

    Votes: 43 21.9%

  • Yes - preferred over petrol car if price/power/convenience similar

    Votes: 78 39.8%

  • Maybe - preference for neither, only concerned with costs etc

    Votes: 37 18.9%

  • No - prefer petrol car even if electric car has same price, power and convenience

    Votes: 24 12.2%

  • No - would never buy one

    Votes: 14 7.1%
  • Total voters
    196
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The Rivian Utes are in production. I agree the "coming soon" line is used too freely. However in the case of electric vehicles overtaking ICE powered vehicles this is unstoppable. The economics are overpowering.

With regard to what will happen to the jobs ? Catastrophic. Unfortunately there will be many more issues causing widespread job losses. The spread of Artificial Intelligence automating far more jobs out of existence is the most powerful cause.

As SP points out society has to find a productive way to keep people usefully employed and with sufficient money to keep themselves, their families and the broader economy operating. I don't believe the free market system can do this.
 
The outstanding economics of electric cars and the implications for employment are profound.
This analysis in Bloomberg of the impact of electric cars in Germany is sobering.
The Twilight of Combustion Comes for Germany's Empire of Engines
The nation that invented the heart of the car at the dawn of the 20th century might struggle to adapt to the coming electric era.

By Elisabeth Behrmann

https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2019-bmw-electric-car-german-engines/
 
basilio said:
As SP points out society has to find a productive way to keep people usefully employed and with sufficient money to keep themselves, their families and the broader economy operating. I don't believe the free market system can do this.
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WHAT!
You mean posting at ASF is not productive?
What else can sp do when he gets back from holidays?
:xyxthumbs
 
rederob said:
WHAT!
You mean posting at ASF is not productive?
What else can sp do when he gets back from holidays?
:xyxthumbs
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Eh!! so nice to see your dry sense of humour peeking out.

Interesting point you raise though in the bigger picture . What is the economic/social value of the billions of tweets/ emails/posts/ hours on the net currently produced by "everyone" ?
Is it mostly positive, partly positive down to totally disastrous ?
Worth a thought ?
 
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basilio said:
Eh!! so nice to see your dry sense of humour peeking out.

Interesting point you raise though in teh bigger picture . What is the economic/social value of the billions of tweets/ emails/posts/ hours on the net currently produced by "everyone" ?
Is it mostly positive, partly positive down to totally disastrous ?
Worth a thought ?
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I think social media is similar to computer gaming. If people weren't doing it they may be doing more destructive things like getting drunk , driving and killing people.
 
SirRumpole said:
I think social media is similar to computer gaming. If people weren't doing it they may be doing more destructive things like getting drunk , driving and killing people.
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The good news is that EVs won't let that happen in a few year's time.
We can all take a back seat and enjoy other life pleasures :whistling:.
 
SirRumpole said:
I think social media is similar to computer gaming. If people weren't doing it they may be doing more destructive things like getting drunk , driving and killing people.
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Or maybe something else ?? You are being subtly ironical here aren't you Rumpy ?
This is your sly sense of humour emerging perhaps ?
 
qldfrog said:
what I am worried about economically is the impact on the car repair maintenance and smash industries.As we go into shared and so smaller amount of electric cars with lower maintenance, self driven so less accidents, what will the shops along these industrial streets every city has do?, less tyre, repair,service, brake,etc etc, add no more taxi drivers: what will mining graduates do every down cycle, what will our indian IT specialists do when migrating to Oz?
Any job left?, and no, you do not need many programmers for these new models..
more baristas maybe...again?
or more housing regulations so that we can demolish 10y old obsolete housing to rebuilt...while saving the planet using no bags at woolies
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Lower the retirement age maybe?

It sounds a bit like you are saying we shouldn’t cure cancer, because treating cancer is a source of good jobs for the medical industry.
 
basilio said:
Or maybe something else ?? You are being subtly ironical here aren't you Rumpy ?
This is your sly sense of humour emerging perhaps ?
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Sure gaming is a waste of time for intelligent people, but there are bogans who are better off , as are the rest of society, being isolated in their own rooms and not disturbing others.

The old saying "it keeps them off the streets".
 
If anyone here has a lovely old 911 Porsche and wants a bit more zing out of it - the electric solution has arrived.
Vonnen Porsche 911 Hybrid First Drive: Electrifying Performance

If you want a hybrid 911, there’s an alternative to waiting on Zuffenhausen.
From the outside, this scene is uncannily common: a Porsche 911 in the canyons around Malibu. But this one-of-a-kind Carrera – a last-generation 991 model – is hiding a little wizardry in the form of a massive, electrically-assisted performance boost.
https://www.motor1.com/reviews/345921/vonnen-porsche-911-hybrid-first-drive/
 
basilio said:
If anyone here has a lovely old 911 Porsche and wants a bit more zing out of it - the electric solution has arrived.
Vonnen Porsche 911 Hybrid First Drive: Electrifying Performance

If you want a hybrid 911, there’s an alternative to waiting on Zuffenhausen.
From the outside, this scene is uncannily common: a Porsche 911 in the canyons around Malibu. But this one-of-a-kind Carrera – a last-generation 991 model – is hiding a little wizardry in the form of a massive, electrically-assisted performance boost.
https://www.motor1.com/reviews/345921/vonnen-porsche-911-hybrid-first-drive/
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The Vonnen hybrid First Drive bolt on after market boosted performance gizmo sounds like a good idea. However, at $75,000 for an extra 150 horsepower that is only available intermittently seems to be way to expensive to take on.
 
Macquack said:
The Vonnen hybrid First Drive bolt on after market boosted performance gizmo sounds like a good idea. However, at $75,000 for an extra 150 horsepower that is only available intermittently seems to be way to expensive to take on.
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We'll see. It's worth understanding that people rarely use all the power under the hood. It seems as if this fix does offer more flexible motoring and extra acceleration if/when someone wants it - but as you point out you can't put your foot to the floor all the time.

Obviously if the storage battery was increased by a few KW's (it is only 1 kw) the length of acceleration time would also increase from a minute to 5 minutes before it had to be recharged again.
 
qldfrog said:
https://interestingengineering.com/...ces-more-co2-than-a-diesel-car-says-new-study
And it will be worse here in Australia unless your ev is charged from your own PV cells
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People who believe everything that agrees with their narrow minded thinking will keep posting rubbish.
The EV/CO2 issue has been regularly debunked.
It's an idea that then reaches out to what's in the grid. Well, the energy mix in the grid is increasingly renewable, and that trend is global and onward.
 
sptrawler said:
Not exactly electric cars, but an electric ferry I went on a few days ago, pretty impressive. Here is a photo and a photo of the technical specs.
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The future is electric.

Well, OK, that phrase was thrown around a generation too early but we're getting there now yes. :2twocents
 
Another 6 years before Toyota bring out an EV Hilux. I think great wall is bringing one out as well. Still a while off before these things are cheap enough to be an alternative for the masses.
 
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