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Electric cars?

Would you buy an electric car?

  • Already own one

    Votes: 10 5.1%

  • Yes - would definitely buy

    Votes: 43 21.8%

  • Yes - preferred over petrol car if price/power/convenience similar

    Votes: 78 39.6%

  • Maybe - preference for neither, only concerned with costs etc

    Votes: 37 18.8%

  • No - prefer petrol car even if electric car has same price, power and convenience

    Votes: 25 12.7%

  • No - would never buy one

    Votes: 14 7.1%
  • Total voters
    197
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i guess time will tell , i hope EVs drivers will be less inclined to 'ride the brakes ' many than conventional vehicle drivers
going to be exciting times for pedestrians .. maybe i will need a selfie stick for a mirror when crossing those driveways
 
Victim of Tesla crash in Texas had alcohol level exceeding legal limit

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Victim of Tesla crash in Texas had alcohol level exceeding legal limit By Reuters

Victim of Tesla crash in Texas had alcohol level exceeding legal limit
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unless the vehicle is capable of being controlled by voice , all that really matters is , ... that NOBODY seems to have been in the 'drivers seat ' intoxicated or not at the time of the accident

U.S. probing fatal Tesla crash that killed pedestrian

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U.S. probing fatal Tesla crash that killed pedestrian
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divs4ever said:
going to be exciting times for pedestrians ..
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This is the one big concern I do have about EV's.

I'd expect that the noise made by combustion engines will in practice have saved many lives over the years.

As someone who goes for a walk routinely, I'm well aware that cars are things I normally hear before seeing them and that's especially so when they're reversing out of driveways in a "blind" situation where the driver can't see an approaching pedestrian or on winding roads with limited visibility.

That's not an argument against EV's as such. It's an argument against EV's being effectively silent when moving at low speed. Cars are one of the few instances where pollution, in this case noise pollution, does have an upside - the noise of a combustion engine alerts pedestrians and animals to the fact that a vehicle is moving or is likely to move.
 
Smurf1976 said:
This is the one big concern I do have about EV's.

I'd expect that the noise made by combustion engines will in practice have saved many lives over the years.

As someone who goes for a walk routinely, I'm well aware that cars are things I normally hear before seeing them and that's especially so when they're reversing out of driveways in a "blind" situation where the driver can't see an approaching pedestrian or on winding roads with limited visibility.

That's not an argument against EV's as such. It's an argument against EV's being effectively silent when moving at low speed. Cars are one of the few instances where pollution, in this case noise pollution, does have an upside - the noise of a combustion engine alerts pedestrians and animals to the fact that a vehicle is moving or is likely to move.
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Since 2019, Tesla’s actually do emit a noise when moving at low speeds, check out the below video at the 1 minute mark for an example.

Above those low speed, you will hear tyre noise, so they aren’t silent, they just aren’t obnoxious like ICE cars.

also as the video shows, electric cars do make various other noises that can give hints they are moving or about to move.

 
sptrawler said:
A really big problem for deaf people, or those hard of hearing, @Smurf1976
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It would be interesting to see the wildlife roadkill tally.
Currently, EVs are mostly city oeople,what will happen once you start having them mixing with deetd wild boars or kangaroos.
Is it worse or better,same?
Never read studies or figures about this.
 
more grass and forest fires i bet , i don't expect ole kanga to slide smoothly over the roof , now DOGS might a whole different problem , they seem to prefer the under-chassis route .. what chance your battery pack gets damaged , but maybe porky is bulky enough to be picked by those highly touted sensors , otherwise it will certainly increase the repair bill , now bird strikes THAT could be a question what happens if the bird takes out the windscreen and you have all those sensors and displays ??

any ex-fighter pilots here ??
 
Value Collector said:
Since 2019, Tesla’s actually do emit a noise when moving at low speeds, check out the below video at the 1 minute mark for an example.

Above those low speed, you will hear tyre noise, so they aren’t silent, they just aren’t obnoxious like ICE cars.

also as the video shows, electric cars do make various other noises that can give hints they are moving or about to move.

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having had several near misses from well tuned BMWs and Mercs ( unfortunately , because it would have triggered compo claims ) an ICE not owned by a hooligan/hot rodder does not make a lot of noise reversing , especially if the driveway is concrete , or asphalt
 
divs4ever said:
more grass and forest fires i bet , i don't expect ole kanga to slide smoothly over the roof , now DOGS might a whole different problem , they seem to prefer the under-chassis route .. what chance your battery pack gets damaged , but maybe porky is bulky enough to be picked by those highly touted sensors , otherwise it will certainly increase the repair bill , now bird strikes THAT could be a question what happens if the bird takes out the windscreen and you have all those sensors and displays ??

any ex-fighter pilots here ??
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I don’t see any reason wild life or other animals pose anymore threat to EV’s than they do to petrol cars.

In fact due to all the safety features and auto braking etc they will probably fair better.

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Another interesting thing Tesla has said, is that because Tesla is getting into the business of providing insurance on their vehicles, as data is collected over time about repair costs etc, they are going to be purposefully designing the cars to reduce their repair costs.

so not only will the cars crash less often as auto features are updated, but they will be designed to make them easier to repair, which will lower the cost of insurance.
 
Check out this video, The Tesla alarms and warns driver that a deer is on the road, and further along in the video you hear the car alarm because of the pigs on the road before the headlights even hit the pigs.

Qldfrog has me on ignore, so he won’t see this video, or any thing else I post to debunk his silly claims, hence why he sits in his echo chamber believing silly things.

 
*** Another interesting thing Tesla has said, is that because Tesla is getting into the business of providing insurance on their vehicles, as data is collected over time about repair costs etc, they are going to be purposefully designing the cars to reduce their repair costs.

so not only will the cars crash less often as auto features are updated, but they will be designed to make them easier to repair, which will lower the cost of insurance. ***

one reason i am a permanent skeptic , is because i have been deceived by so many corporations before ( either as a share-holder or customer )

YES a few companies live up to most of their commitments , but many fall well short
 
divs4ever said:
one reason i am a permanent skeptic , is because i have been deceived by so many corporations before ( either as a share-holder or customer )

YES a few companies live up to most of their commitments , but many fall well short
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Yeah, But I think more than most other companies, when Tesla says they are going to do something, they do actually give it a red hot go, a lot of the time it takes longer than they first predict, but they get their eventually.

I have owned my car for just on 2 years, and with the regular updates that come through over the wifi, I can tell you the Auto pilot is so much better than it was when I bought the car back in 2019.

In 2019 the car couldn’t recognise traffic lights, now in autopilot it will stop on red and go on green, and even if I am in control, if give a little chime noise if it thinks I haven’t noticed the light has gone green.

it never used to merge on and off the freeways but will now, it never used to over take slower cars but will now.

there is to many improvements to mention, but each update it gets better.
 
divs4ever said:
*** Another interesting thing Tesla has said, is that because Tesla is getting into the business of providing insurance on their vehicles, as data is collected over time about repair costs etc, they are going to be purposefully designing the cars to reduce their repair costs.

so not only will the cars crash less often as auto features are updated, but they will be designed to make them easier to repair, which will lower the cost of insurance. ***

one reason i am a permanent skeptic , is because i have been deceived by so many corporations before ( either as a share-holder or customer )

YES a few companies live up to most of their commitments , but many fall well short
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Tesla remains first a car manufacturer seller and gov subsidies company.
While any insurer arm would benefit from cheaper repairs, the whole of Tesla would benefit from easier to repair using more expensive parts. So just business sense would see the move to ultra expensive parts..able to be switched off on easily to reduce labour cost.,big expensive leggo blocks.
Just business acumen....
 
qldfrog said:
Tesla remains first a car manufacturer seller and gov subsidies company.
While any insurer arm would benefit from cheaper repairs, the whole of Tesla would benefit from easier to repair using more expensive parts. So just business sense would see the move to ultra expensive parts..able to be switched off on easily to reduce labour cost.,big expensive leggo blocks.
Just business acumen....
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I'm thinking this could be an area where a company like Tesla brings an actual revolution.

Much like the Japanese fixed the problem of American and British manufacturers' cars needing an extensive parts network and ridiculously frequent servicing by building better cars that generally didn't need many parts replaced.

End result is they basically did kill the British manufacturers and came pretty close to wiping out the Americans too. :2twocents
 
Australia post to tail 20 small electric trucks.
From the article:
Australia Post is about to add 20 electric delivery trucks to its fleet, but they will be assigned to short routes due to their limited driving range.
The Fuso eCanter has about the same size battery pack as a Hyundai Kona electric city SUV.
Because of the electric truck’s weight and 3000kg payload, the Fuso eCanter has a maximum driving range of 100km when fully loaded – rather than the 480km range of a similar battery pack in a smaller, lighter passenger car.
A diesel-powered delivery truck of similar size has about 300km of driving range between refills.
It would take about 30 hours to recharge the Fuso eCanter electric truck from empty using a household power socket, but Australia Post will have a number of fast-chargers that can reboot the electric trucks in about an hour.
Australia Post will lease 20 of the electric Fuso eCanter trucks for six years from October 2021.
The electric trucks will be returned to Fuso at the end of the six-year lease.
 
Hyundai moving along with fuel cells.
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Next Hyundai Nexo hydrogen SUV confirmed, fuel-cell Staria to follow

Hyundai's fuel-cell SUV will get another generation, ahead of hydrogen people mover and large SUV models due in the years that follow.
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From the article:
Confirmed for launch in 2023, the next-generation Nexo SUV will mark the third generation of Hyundai’s series-production hydrogen fuel-cell technology, following the current Nexo launched overseas in 2018 (and in Australia earlier in 2021) and the earlier ix35 Fuel Cell of 2013.
Also due for launch in 2023 is a “hydrogen-powered multi-purpose vehicle (MPV) model”, widely tipped to be a hydrogen version of the recently-released Staria people mover – with Korean reports pointing to a launch in the second half of the year.
A large SUV powered by hydrogen fuel-cells will follow “after 2025”, though the finer details of the model – including whether it will be a standalone vehicle like the Nexo, or based on an existing model as per the Staria – are yet to be revealed.

Also from Hyundai:
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Hyundai Vision FK previews hydrogen performance family

500kW, rear-wheel drive, and 0-100km/h in under four seconds. Could Hyundai, Kia and Genesis be getting a family of hydrogen sports cars?
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From the article:
Hydrogen is about to hit the racetrack, as Hyundai takes the wraps off the Vision FK: a high-performance, rear-wheel drive sports car prototype that runs on hydrogen, has a 500kW fuel cell system, can do 0-100km/h in under four seconds and has a 600km driving range.
But there’s no word on when the Vision FK will go into production.
The Hyundai Vision FK prototype was unveiled today as part of Hyundai Motor Group’s (HMG) Hydrogen Vision 2040 strategy, which sets out the company’s vision for the future of hydrogen energy and a global hydrogen society.
 
VW to introduce an affordable EV in 2025, maybe?
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Volkswagen ID. Life concept previews $30,000 electric car due in 2025

The Volkswagen ID. Life concept has been unveiled, as a preview of a new €20,000 (A$32,000) electric car due in showrooms in 2025.
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From the article:
The Volkswagen ID. Life concept has been unveiled at the Munich motor show, as a preview of a new €20,000 ($AU32,000) low-cost electric car due in European showrooms in 2025.
Underpinning the concept car – along with the 2025 production vehicles from Volkswagen and sister brands Cupra and Skoda – is a new 'MEB Eco' platform, a modified, front-wheel-drive version of the brand's latest rear- and all-wheel-drive 'MEB' electric vehicle platform, re-engineered for cost-focused city cars.
Powering the concept is a 172kW/290Nm electric motor driving the front wheels – making the ID. Life the first front-wheel-drive car on the MEB architecture – capable of accelerating the show car from 0-100km/h in 6.9 seconds, or on par with the petrol-powered Volkswagen Polo GTI hot hatchback. Top speed is rated at 180km/h.
 
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