Electric cars?

[qldfrog]

Don't forget we as humans spend all our lives within a very large magnetic field that is around earth.
I would expect that evolution has assisted all living things to be able to survive in a magnetic field that changes hourly, dail, yearly, and in the long term, flips its poles north to south.
Mick

pop was the sound of the pacemaker , strong electromagnetic field are not that great for cells, and actually used to our advantages:
https://techcrunch.com/2021/07/26/a-magnetic-helmet-shrunk-a-deadly-tumor-in-world-first-test/
if it kills the tumor, it just mean it is nasty for cells but more so for the tumor than healthy cells;
But I would not worry too much about EM fields...

 

[sptrawler]

China releases new E.V, of interest to ASF members is the statements in the article regarding battery materials.

Haval's small electric SUV to offer new battery tech

A new electric SUV from Haval's parent company has been revealed before its official unveiling, complete with advanced battery tech.

www.drive.com.au

From the article:
The new electric SUV – badged as the Ora Cherry Cat in its native China – is one of the first production cars to market with a cobalt-free battery. In late 2020, Tesla began offering its Chinese-made Model 3 with LFP batteries, which omit the use of cobalt and nickel. In April 2021, Chinese electric car maker BYD confirmed it was also moved to cobalt-free batteries.
Tesla supplier Panasonic has been successful in significantly reducing the amount of cobalt in its batteries to only 5 per cent, with aims to be cobalt-free within the next three years.

More on the same issue:

Cobalt, nickel free electric car batteries are a runaway success

Few months in, LFP Model 3 already commands 5% of global EV market, counts for 21% of Tesla battery capacity hitting roads–even before key patent expiry next year.

www.mining.com

 

[divs4ever]

yes evolving battery-tech will be a minefield for investors in this area , this years minerals might not be desired in 3 or 5 years time

Electric Spray Paint Could Turn Any Surface Into a Battery​

BY COLIN LECHER | PUBLISHED JUN 28, 2012 8:58 AM << == note the date !!

Electric Spray Paint Could Turn Any Surface Into a Battery

Lithium-ion batteries work by stacking active ingredients in layers. In your laptop and phone, the layers are stacked into a block, but a new process could make that seem quaint: spray-paint the necessary layers onto any surface like paint, to make an instant battery anywhere.

www.popsci.com

it would have been interesting to see why this tech didn't progress especially on disposable products

 

[sptrawler]

yes evolving battery-tech will be a minefield for investors in this area , this years minerals might not be desired in 3 or 5 years time

Electric Spray Paint Could Turn Any Surface Into a Battery​

BY COLIN LECHER | PUBLISHED JUN 28, 2012 8:58 AM << == note the date !!

Electric Spray Paint Could Turn Any Surface Into a Battery

Lithium-ion batteries work by stacking active ingredients in layers. In your laptop and phone, the layers are stacked into a block, but a new process could make that seem quaint: spray-paint the necessary layers onto any surface like paint, to make an instant battery anywhere.

www.popsci.com

it would have been interesting to see why this tech didn't progress especially on disposable products

That's why I haven't bought into cobalt, too expensive for the gains in energy density, nickel and iron look as though they will be the variables in the battery technology.
Long driving range looks like it will use nickel, short range vehicles will use iron, which will reduce the manufacturing costs and make them more price competitive with small ICE vehicles.
Just my opinion, DYOR as this is a whole new world, for all of us.

 

[Value Collector]

yes evolving battery-tech will be a minefield for investors in this area , this years minerals might not be desired in 3 or 5 years time

Electric Spray Paint Could Turn Any Surface Into a Battery​

BY COLIN LECHER | PUBLISHED JUN 28, 2012 8:58 AM << == note the date !!

Electric Spray Paint Could Turn Any Surface Into a Battery

Lithium-ion batteries work by stacking active ingredients in layers. In your laptop and phone, the layers are stacked into a block, but a new process could make that seem quaint: spray-paint the necessary layers onto any surface like paint, to make an instant battery anywhere.

www.popsci.com

it would have been interesting to see why this tech didn't progress especially on disposable products

I think the growth in battery use across so many different applications that there will be a need for all sorts of chemistry.

But saying that, I would feel more comfortable owning Tesla than a company with exposure to a single battery metal, because Tesla will be selling cars and batteries regardless of what new tech changes in batteries.

I do like having nickel exposure by owning BHP though, as a diversified miner, not sure I want to own a one trick pony battery material company.

 

[qldfrog]

That's why I haven't bought into cobalt, too expensive for the gains in energy density, nickel and iron look as though they will be the variables in the battery technology.
Long driving range looks like it will use nickel, short range vehicles will use iron, which will reduce the manufacturing costs and make them more price competitive with small ICE vehicles.
Just my opinion, DYOR as this is a whole new world, for all of us.

And the new sodium batteries which seems to be in a 3 to 5y horizon would get rid of most of Australian mining resources in cobalt lithium, even nickel...the rush to lit etc will probably be short lived, better be as there is no way near enough of these metals for the expected full ev world in the proposed time frames

 

[qldfrog]

And the new sodium batteries which seems to be in a 3 to 5y horizon would get rid of most of Australian mining resources in cobalt lithium, even nickel...the rush to lit etc will probably be short lived, better be as there is no way near enough of these metals for the expected full ev world in the proposed time frames

Obviously, the above based on current population figures...

 

[mullokintyre]

Rivian have a factory built with a customer testing ground.
Here is a promotional video of the factory and customers (well they might just be actors) test driving the vehicles.
The plant is completed, with footage of partly completed cars on a production line.
Prior to this, it had been busy building the 10,000 trucks that AMAZON had orderedin 2019.
I gather these people will be first customers to take delivery of production vehicles.
I contacted Rivian last year about getting a production slot, but they said no, despite me suggesting that I would take a LHD vehicle, knowing they currently had no plans to make RHD versions.

Mick

 

[qldfrog]

Rivian have a factory built with a customer testing ground.
Here is a promotional video of the factory and customers (well they might just be actors) test driving the vehicles.
The plant is completed, with footage of partly completed cars on a production line.
Prior to this, it had been busy building the 10,000 trucks that AMAZON had orderedin 2019.
I gather these people will be first customers to take delivery of production vehicles.
I contacted Rivian last year about getting a production slot, but they said no, despite me suggesting that I would take a LHD vehicle, knowing they currently had no plans to make RHD versions.

Mick

is it a sloping test drive ? https://arstechnica.com/cars/2020/0...pe-was-rolling-downhill-in-promotional-video/
more seriously, quite impressive:
https://electrek.co/2021/08/02/rivian-electric-suv-climb-insane-45-degree-slope/

 

[mullokintyre]

is it a sloping test drive ?

Ha Ha, if you look at the large dirt mound they created on the test range, obviously part of it will be down hill.
But then you have to get up there to start with!.
mick

 

[sptrawler]

This IMO , is the perfect stopgap vehicle for people who live in country Australia, but want the advantages of an EV.

Nissan to offer new hybrid tech in Australia from next year

The E-Power series-hybrid powertrain is expected to debut locally in the 2022 Nissan Qashqai small SUV.

www.drive.com.au

From the article:
Nissan says it will introduce the first of a new wave of hybrid models in Australia next year, with its E-Power series-hybrid technology available in Australia on certain models from 2022.
Nissan vehicles equipped with the upcoming hybrid option will combine an electric motor with a three-cylinder 1.5-litre turbocharged petrol engine, to keep the lithium-ion battery pack topped up.
The idea is to combine the instant response of an electric motor without range anxiety concerns, says Nissan.

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While yet to be confirmed, it’s expected the technology will debut locally in the upcoming 2022 Nissan Qashqai small SUV, due in early 2022 – though it's not clear whether the hybrid will be available at launch.
The tech could also make its way into the next-generation Nissan X-Trail SUV, also due locally in 2022.

“While a traditional hybrid adds battery power to an internal-combustion engine, E-Power delivers an electric vehicle-like driving experience, including exhilarating acceleration and near-silent operation, all while drastically reducing your fuel use and emissions.”

 

[SirRumpole]

This IMO , is the perfect stopgap vehicle for people who live in country Australia, but want the advantages of an EV.

Nissan to offer new hybrid tech in Australia from next year

The E-Power series-hybrid powertrain is expected to debut locally in the 2022 Nissan Qashqai small SUV.

www.drive.com.au

From the article:
Nissan says it will introduce the first of a new wave of hybrid models in Australia next year, with its E-Power series-hybrid technology available in Australia on certain models from 2022.
Nissan vehicles equipped with the upcoming hybrid option will combine an electric motor with a three-cylinder 1.5-litre turbocharged petrol engine, to keep the lithium-ion battery pack topped up.
The idea is to combine the instant response of an electric motor without range anxiety concerns, says Nissan.

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While yet to be confirmed, it’s expected the technology will debut locally in the upcoming 2022 Nissan Qashqai small SUV, due in early 2022 – though it's not clear whether the hybrid will be available at launch.
The tech could also make its way into the next-generation Nissan X-Trail SUV, also due locally in 2022.

“While a traditional hybrid adds battery power to an internal-combustion engine, E-Power delivers an electric vehicle-like driving experience, including exhilarating acceleration and near-silent operation, all while drastically reducing your fuel use and emissions.”

Just the thing we need until there are more charging stations (if there ever are).

I don't see the current Federal government moving very far in the direction of EV's. Very few incentives are being offered.

 

[sptrawler]

Just the thing we need until there are more charging stations (if there ever are).

I don't see the current Federal government moving very far in the direction of EV's. Very few incentives are being offered.

There is no point, it is the same as mobile phones, when they first came out they only worked around the cities.
Then as the uptake grew, the technology changed and the coverage increased.
Remember the early analogue phones? Imagine if we had rolled out billions of dollars of analogue infrastructure, 10 years later it was shutdown and digital 2g started.
I could roll it out further 3G, 4G now 5G next 6G, but all the ridiculous nonsense about rolling out infrastructure will increase the uptake is crap, uptake will happen when it becomes affordable and sensible. Then the infrastructure will meet the demand.
Even Bas doesn't have an EV, it just doesn't make economical sense, unless you have money to throw away.
IMO that's the reality without the political BS.

 

[SirRumpole]

There is no point, it is the same as mobile phones, when they first came out they only worked around the cities.
Then as the uptake grew, the technology changed and the coverage increased.
Remember the early analogue phones? Imagine if we had rolled out billions of dollars of analogue infrastructure, 10 years later it was shutdown and digital 2g started.
I could roll it out further 3G, 4G now 5G next 6G, but all the ridiculous nonsense about rolling out infrastructure will increase the uptake is crap, uptake will happen when it becomes affordable and sensible. Then the infrastructure will meet the demand.
Even Bas doesn't have an EV, it just doesn't make economical sense, unless you have money to throw away.
IMO that's the reality without the political BS.

It makes commercial sense to reduce our dependence on oil which we don't produce, and to go to materials which we do or can produce.

The rest of the world is switching to EV's , albeit slowly, but we will be behind the curve as usual.

 

[divs4ever]

It makes commercial sense to reduce our dependence on oil which we don't produce, and to go to materials which we do or can produce.

The rest of the world is switching to EV's , albeit slowly, but we will be behind the curve as usual.

we produce oil , and we have reserves especially if we don't export , what we don't have a abundance of is oil refineries ( in Australia)

but that is a symptom of modern Australia

( i hold NHC which sells oil the a small QLD refiner , BPT , BHP busy ridding itself of it's Bass Strait assets to WPL , and TEG )

but EVs should have started at the government fleet level , so normal folks became familiar with the usefulness and concept

instead we got the NBN

 

[Gunnerguy]

Interesting whisper going around at the moment, by 2024 all new cars to be fitted with gps controlled active speed limiters and data storage equipment, that will spell the death knell of high performance ICE engines. Ah technology just the thing to make life boring. ?
Cars will have to have the gps equipment fitted and data loggers fitted, as of 2022, but I believe it isn't until 2024 that it all has to be operational.

Speed limiters now required on all new cars: know the rules and how they work | Auto Express

Speed limiters are required on all new cars from July 7 2024 but what does that mean for motorists and consumers…

www.autoexpress.co.uk

Nanny State

 

[sptrawler]

It makes commercial sense to reduce our dependence on oil which we don't produce, and to go to materials which we do or can produce.

The rest of the world is switching to EV's , albeit slowly, but we will be behind the curve as usual.

Not really because the charging protocol is changing, there are only two vehicles with V2G two way compatibility on the market at the moment, by 2025 all EV's sold in Australia from my understanding will have V2G ability.
Don't let the ramping drive the investment IMO, we import all our cars, so of course we will be behind the curve.
It is better to be following the curve, albeit slowly, than leading the curve but going in completely the wrong direction IMO.

 

[divs4ever]

the curve to Mad Max ??

you can run an ICE , on alcohol with a bit of extra tuning ( and you can MAKE alcohol )

we were going the wrong way when government expenditure didn't lead and set a baseline acceptance of EVs in the public sector , so far the local Dominos is light-years ahead of the government with electric-assisted bicycles for deliveries .

 

[qldfrog]

It makes commercial sense to reduce our dependence on oil which we don't produce, and to go to materials which we do or can produce.

The rest of the world is switching to EV's , albeit slowly, but we will be behind the curve as usual.

You mean replacing petrol we do not have.., a lot but can easily be switched to LPG..that we have a lot..to EV s which we can not build, with short life batteries that we do not built /recycle and can not be built easily here ever due to 0 manufacturing know how ,and chargers that will be based on components all made in China.. components that we can not build either, ever?
Can you even imagine silicon wafers made in Australia?
I like EVs as a move out of fossil fuels , but it is not a move out of foreign dependence.

 

[SirRumpole]

Can you even imagine silicon wafers made in Australia?

No, much better to give China more money to buy weapons.