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The backtest period is important
When you concentrate too much on long term backtests metrics to construct a strategy its usefulness in the short-term can be stifled. Performance results can be like “chalk & cheese” when conducting an evaluation over massive time frames. Performance observed in the past may offer little insight into the strategy performance in the short term. All I'm saying, markets have changed over the last 20 years.
Skate.
Performance observed in the recent past may offer little insight into the strategy performance in theshort termfuture.
Can someone please just humor me and put up a backtest of their system that is optimised to recent data and post a up backtest since 1992. I'd love to see it. Let's do it in the name of transparency.
Hahahahaha!I'll show you my Monthly results for the dates below on the "proviso" you do the same with Nick's Version of his Monthly Momentum Strategy.
My question
Is it a deal?
For transparency
Make the portfolio size: $100k
Position Size: 10
Index: ASX All Ordinaries
(a) 1/1/2021 to Now (11 months)
(b) 1/1/2020 to Now (1 year & 11 months)
(c) 1/1/2016 to Now (5 years & 11 months)
(d) 1/1/1992 to Now
You can post first as your strategy has been professionally developed & coded with parameter settings that will trade all markets.
Skate.
Hahahahaha!
Oh Skate.
No, no deal. We need a rehash of the rules.
I'm not asking to compare strategies to see who's performs better on a certain index with certain position sizes. This isn't a pissing contest.
What I'm saying is - I don't believe that optimising a systems parameters over a short window of time will hold up when running a long term backtest on historical constituent data. So, I am asking anyone who is game, post up your short term optimised strategy performance over the long term. If you do - great. If you don't - great.
You can find Nick's strategy results here.
The backtest period is important
When you concentrate too much on long term backtests metrics to construct a strategy its usefulness in the short-term can be stifled. Performance results can be like “chalk & cheese” when conducting an evaluation over massive time frames. Performance observed in the past may offer little insight into the strategy performance in the short term. All I'm saying, markets have changed over the last 20 years.
You should be concerned about long term backtests. Usefulness in the short-term is irrelevant. You want to design a system that performs well over a long data set. You cannot code a system to perform well in all market conditions. That's why I want something that performs exceedingly well over a long period of time, that is hard to stomach
What I'm saying is - I don't believe that optimising a systems parameters over a short window of time will hold up when running a long term backtest on historical constituent data. So, I am asking anyone who is game, post up your short term optimised strategy performance over the long term. If you do - great. If you don't - great.
Skate, I don't need you to show me how to code for "todays market conditions". If the ASX100 established and data was available from the turn of century - I would use it in my backtest too. It is not different. Human emotion/behaviour and liquidity drive markets. So, what your basically saying is that over the span of a mere 121 years, the way humans react to their emotions, react to their feelings of fear and greed, has changed? No chance.It's not a pissing contest
@Cam019, I'm more than willing to post results showing you how to code for today's market condition "versus" the same strategy trading from 1992. I'm saying trading at the turn of the century, 1900, 1930, 1950 & 1992 was a different era. It's not comparing "like for like"
As far as the data set will allow you to go.Really, I ask you, how far back do you need to revisit to have meaningful results.
except that most of trading is done by computers nowadays:Skate, I don't need you to show me how to code for "todays market conditions". If the ASX100 established and data was available from the turn of century - I would use it in my backtest too. It is not different. Human emotion/behaviour and liquidity drive markets. So, what your basically saying is that over the span of a mere 121 years, the way humans react to their emotions, react to their feelings of fear and greed, has changed? No chance.
You know humans code those systems, right?except that most of trading is done by computers nowadays:
from investopedia:
What Is an Automated Trading System?
Automated trading systems — also referred to as mechanical trading systems, algorithmic trading, automated trading or system trading — allow traders to establish specific rules for both trade entries and exits that, once programmed, can be automatically executed via a computer. In fact, various platforms report 70% to 80% or more of shares traded on U.S. stock exchanges come from automatic trading systems.1
Thanks god, human react the same, obviously instant access to information vs getting the paper a week later does not matter
Skate, I don't need you to show me how to code for "todays market conditions". If the ASX100 established and data was available from the turn of century - I would use it in my backtest too. It is not different. Human emotion/behaviour and liquidity drive markets. So, what your basically saying is that over the span of a mere 121 years, the way humans react to their emotions, react to their feelings of fear and greed, has changed? No chance.
Let me make something really clear for you. Just because someone disagrees with you, doesn't mean they're close minded.@Cam019, you're not listening, you have a "closed mind". Just have an "open mind" of what I'm saying & displaying.
Let me make something really clear for you. Just because someone disagrees with you, doesn't mean they're close minded.
Oh I love this thread because I am going to disagree with @Skate and many others on this point until the day we die.
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