new girl said:2020
as much as I like to agree with everything you say, this is the biggest load of bullsh@#t I have ever heard.
There is no such thing as peace mujahideen! In Arabic it means fighting, and that’s exactly how the Islamic Empire was established. They were and still are asked to concur and spread the religion by force, oh they say don't hurt the children, women and trees but its O.K. kill all the males out there. And don’t force the religion but anyone who chooses not to convert must pay a tax, if your poor then stuff you, you must convert.
Analysing the crap out of a meaning of a word dosn't matter anyway. It doesn't change the actual meaning of the word and how it was/is used by the people.
Well, my diver friendFreeballinginawetsuit said:Name an empire/country that wasn't established by fighting and persicution of the native inhabitants. Its not all Peace Love and Mongbeans when conqering an inhabited country, unless youre Italy
Mankind has always liked to bully and conquer the week ( the Catholic Church was quite proficient also) and that is exactly how the US treats our government over the Hicks affair.
Yet more bullsh@#t.chops_a_must said:Definitions of words are all we have. I'd recommend you read 1984 if you are thinking like you are.
And it's not true that all sections of the Islamic Empire were violent. Some were suprisingly peaceful, open and tolerant, hence some remarkable achievements:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abbasid#Learning_under_the_Abbasid_dynasty
wayneL said:"Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s enemies will be the members of his household. He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. He who has found his life will lose it, and he who has lost his life for My sake will find it." (Matthew 10:34-39 NASB)
Funny how things change in less than 24 hrs, I thought you said NOT about guys in the other thread.Freeballinginawetsuit said:Hmmm, youre a feisty one.
It must be late in Sydney so bed time for you. Wait a second and I will put on my superman jocks and fly over bearing gifts,flowers and my innermost thoughts......, gee now wear are those undies!.
Of course it's a human thing, but with the muslims it comes with the authority of GOD. believe what i say or you're going to hell! with the christians and the sword, people followed the authority of the church not GOD. It matters.wayneL said:That's not a Muslim thing. That's a HUMAN thing.
Believe what I believe or there will be trouble. This extends to politics and a whole bunch of other stuff.
Christians have had a good go of proselytization by the sword as well.
this is not about jesus, its about people thinking the Jihad means peace!! well it does NOT!It's Snake Pliskin said:Jesus will save everyone
:topicFreeballinginawetsuit said:I'm still a not.......I have no undies
Freeballinginawetsuit said:Ha, I had some of those at the door the other day trying to save me, wasn't you was it Snake?
new girl said:Oh my GOD!! Jesus was not talking about war on terror, but about people choosing the faith itself, It's got NOTHING to do with fighting, nothing whatsoever. Although the mother-in law-thing makes me wonder sometimes
new girl said:this is not about jesus, its about people thinking the Jihad means peace!! well it does NOT!
Jihad doesn't mean peace, but what you are confusing is Jihad, and the basis of what the Islamic Empire was formed on.new girl said:Yet more bullsh@#t.
sorry, having said all that i dont hate muslims, i have lots of muslim friends. I'm just not kidding myself when it comes to the religion itself.It's Snake Pliskin said:Chill.
I actually share your thoughts. I am quite aware of JIHAD in it's real sense, not what is seen on TV.
Jihad is worse than you could ever imagine.
Step 1: Get the PC's on side.
Step 2:..........
new girl said:Of course it's a human thing, but with the muslims it comes with the authority of GOD. believe what i say or you're going to hell! with the christians and the sword, people followed the authority of the church not GOD. It matters.
CHOPSchops_a_must said:Jihad doesn't mean peace, but what you are confusing is Jihad, and the basis of what the Islamic Empire was formed on.
Yeah, there were extreme sects, like there are in any Theocracy. But there were also moderate aspects, which were pretty rare at the time.
I'm not sure what you think is BS though, the fact that the circulatory system was discovered and recorded first by Muslims... or that The Enlightenment could not have happened without the Islamic Empire?... I'm not really sure what you are disputing...
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