That's really not a good outcome though...
I can see it as only a good result for Johnny and George.Depending which camp you are in, and ultimately for justice, possibly not.... for Hicks and his family, considering the possible alternatives, I think it is the best he could hope for.... for Johnny H and his flagging ratings, guilty but also brought home, almost a perfect political result.
And the saddest thing is, he will likely end up serving more time than the prison guards at Abu Ghraib ever will. And what for? Never firing a shot?
If you tremble with indignation at every injustice then you are a comrade of mine.
Cheers,
Chops.
Seems that the outcome "entirely exonerates the process"http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200703/s1883007.htm
Santoro cleared over aged care bed licences. The new Minister for Ageing, Christopher Pyne, has cleared predecessor Santo Santoro over claims he allocated aged care beds to a friend's business. Mr Pyne says a review has found that Senator Santoro did nothing wrong in allocating 94 aged care bed licences to a Liberal Party member and friend Russel Egan Jr.
"We had no reason to believe that anything untoward had occurred with respect to the allocation of beds," he said. "It entirely exonerates the minister and confirms that the process was utterly above board."
But Mr Pyne says Senator Santoro and Mr Egan were not interviewed as part of the investigation. Labor's Jan McLucas says it is a sham. "This review was predictably a whitewash," she said. Labor maintains an independent review is needed.
Actually, why don't we bring him back here and try him properly.Let Hicks recant and then, and only then, should we reconsider his case.
Live by the sword, die by the sword!
I mean christ, the poor guy has been fed nothing but hallucinogens for the past 3 weeks. Imagine trying to make a decision regarding the rest of your life when you are in that situation, and not allowed access to a doctor! This was admitted on Lateline last night, if anyone watched it.
Chops.
Actually, why don't we bring him back here and try him properly.
Oops, we haven't got anything to charge him with.
OK, best he rot in Guantamo given he's pleaded guilty.
By the way Charles, what do you want him to recant?
Just curious.....
"STEVEN MILES: No, they produced one press statement saying that they gave him this medication. But what they did not produce is - for all of these interrogations, there's a minute by minute interrogation log. There's also a pre and post medical log and there is intra-interrogation medical logs as well. None of those documents have been supplied by the military. Furthermore, they have not supplied the interrogation plan which was requested of the Defense Department for Mr Hicks, which would be a document which would also say whether or not medications were on the list. Finally, as a physician, Benadryl is not a drug that’s part of any GI cocktails that I use as a doctor. I have no idea what the military meant in making a statement that it belongs in a GI cocktail."I didn't see the programme. Can you provide a link to support the above, e.g. that "he has been fed nothing but hallucinogens for the past 3 weeks".
No he didn't meat head.Rederob asks 'what was David Hicks accused of'?
If Rederob doesn't know that, then he must be living in a tent, with Hicks perhaps?
You are perhaps an expert, Snake?Bringing Hicks home would be a do gooders wet dream
I am curious as to the level of comprehension of those that support the US cause.Rederob asks 'what was David Hicks accused of'?
If Rederob doesn't know that, then he must be living in a tent, with Hicks perhaps?
f) this is just a fairly irrelevant theory - "he looked swollen, puffy around the eyes". If that means "not fat as such", then that might imply drugs rather than foodhttp://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200703/s1883018.htm
Hicks 'pleaded guilty to get out'. Terry Hicks says his son David pleaded guilty to supporting a terrorist organisation just to get out of Guantanamo Bay. Mr Hicks spent several hours inside the US naval prison in Cuba with his son, who has been there for the past five years.
Terry says David has put on a great deal of weight and has puffy eyes. He says David was hard to talk to at first but the 31-year-old began to open up during a second, more emotional meeting. "The emotions finally took over so it's good, I don't mind shedding tears, we're all in the same boat," he said.
He says David has not been able to exercise because he is abused by other prisoners. "The detainees yell out abuse at him and they say he's being paid by the CIA and all this sort of business to spy on them - that sort of thing," he said. "So he's under quite a bit of stress through that. He won't go out into the exercise yards because he's been abused verbally from the rest of the detainees, so that's not good.
"We could tell by the second conversation that he was desperate, he just wanted to get out." Terry says he doubts Australians will view his son as a terrorist.
The chief United States military prosecutor, Colonel Moe Davis, has refused to disclose the sentence prosecutors will ask for but says David Hicks is likely to be back in Australia within months. "We've said all along this was not a life sentence case, so it'll certainly be something much less than that we ask for," he said. "Somebody asked a long time ago if it was possible that he'd be home before the end of the year and if I was a betting man I would say the odds are pretty good."
Lawyers dismissed. Hicks pleaded guilty after two of his lawyers had been dismissed from the courtroom. Hick's US civilian lawyer, Joshua Draytel, says he was dismissed from today's military commission hearing because he was being asked to sign a blank cheque on how the defence team could operate.
Mr Draytel refused to sign a tribunal agreement because he says it asked the defence to abide by existing regulations when the regulations had not been promulgated. He has told the ABC's 7:30 Report it would have set a terrible precedent and would have been a disservice to his client.
"I liken it to, if you're on a train and the tracks go only so far as to the gorge and stop in the middle of the gorge, and yet we continued full speed ahead in that direction knowing that those tracks go off a precipice," he said.
Mr Dratel says he cannot comment on the advice he gave Hicks. "Obviously David is the person who makes those decisions - ultimately he's the client and in that sense he's the boss," he said.
"We just provide advice and our expertise in respect to the issues." Mr Draytel says Hicks's sentencing will be the end of a long ordeal. "This is really the beginning of a process that I hope will make David whole again," he said.
Meanwhile, South Australian Premier Mike Rann says it is not yet clear whether Hicks could be held in one of the state's prisons, but he has no objection to that happening.
and heaven forbid we should suggest that we're still waiting for the real people to own up there.After 5 years in the conditions Hicks' has suffered it's amazing he hasn't owned up to assassinating President Kennedy!
"STEVEN MILES: No, they produced one press statement saying that they gave him this medication. But what they did not produce is - for all of these interrogations, there's a minute by minute interrogation log. There's also a pre and post medical log and there is intra-interrogation medical logs as well. None of those documents have been supplied by the military. Furthermore, they have not supplied the interrogation plan which was requested of the Defense Department for Mr Hicks, which would be a document which would also say whether or not medications were on the list. Finally, as a physician, Benadryl is not a drug that’s part of any GI cocktails that I use as a doctor. I have no idea what the military meant in making a statement that it belongs in a GI cocktail."
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