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David Hicks protests

I would suggest that Hicks along with all the accused be given the same opportunity as a direct forefather of mine who was arrested tried and sentenced to transportation on the first fleet to reach Botany Bay for the grave crime of stealing yes 'porkpies' on 3 occasions, I dread to think of the treatment he was given not to mention the trial. But on reaching the end of the world, after serving his sentance he made himself a law biding citizen and prospered and made this country into a land of what we can be proud of. I hope he's not turning in his grave thinking of the dropout flakey lot whinging on this thread going by some of the posts. porkpie
 
Well you've left me speechless here...I hope the "porkpies" were tasty enough otherwise it would been all for nothing.
DYOR
 
re retrospective laws,

there is no absolute prohibition in aust against retrospectivity in laws

the high court does have a particular abhorrence, however, when, in this country, retrospectivity is applied to criminal law - due to the sanctions applicable, such as the possible loss of liberty to an individual who has undertaken an activity, that at the time of undertaking was legal, only to find out subsequently that the aforementioned activity is now deemed illegal at the time of undertaking

understanding that the hicks issue more closely resembles criminal law and recognising high court's abhorrence above, nonetheless in other areas of aust law, including for example taxation law, provided the respective parliament has made the intention of retrospectivity unmistakably clear, retropsectivity in and of itself will be no bar to a law's validity

having said that, and more closely resembling this thread, the time taken thus far, including the reliability of witnesses memory this far down the road, the alleged coercion including alleged torture metered out, the metamorphic nature of the charges laid, and the apparent absence of the fundamental cornerstone 'innocent until proven guilty' leads this little black duck to conclude that contempt of all those involved is warranted, at the very least

however this little balck duck's contempt, short of anything else, assists not, someone in david hicks position

that is where my intention at the upcoming election assumes a greater import

cheers
 
porkpie324 said:
transportation on the first fleet ..for the grave crime of stealing yes 'porkpies' on 3 occasions, I dread to think of the treatment he was given not to mention the trial.
Mate you'd dread to think of the treatment he'd get in Guantanamo as well (assuming the time warp is on) - in these brainwashing centres, they exploit peoples' weaknesses - for instance your great-great etc etc grandad would have been denied porkpies until he confessed to a damned sight more than eating stolen pies. food for thought. (or is it "food for your thoughts"?)

happytown said:
re retrospective laws, ... that is where my intention at the upcoming election assumes a greater import
spot on.
 
Jese it was hard to find a sober cop during the Rum Rebellion!
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not that anyone minded, they were all pis*ed as well.
ahh - they were the days - even the porkpies had a nip of rum

completely off the thread, but has anyone every heard reference to the ole reliable "trificta of charges" in local police matters? - like fabricated resist arrest etc. Orwell's 1984 (Big Brother) was probably about 25 years out - published in 1949.
sheesh - hate to think what would happen to George Orwell - if he were captured today !!! - by the Yanks - OR by Hitler for that matter lol.
 
Guantanamo Bay would be a breeze, you imagine being imprisoned on a stinking hulk on the thames waiting for a one way passage to the end of the world. Then to land on some mossie infested beach 9 months later. Guantanamo is to good for the likes of Hicks and the like, leave them where they are and forget them. porkpie
 
1/ Be careful what you wish for

2/ Beware of the law of unintended consequences
 
porkpie324 said:
Guantanamo is to good for the likes of Hicks and the like, leave them where they are and forget them. porkpie

Every1s entitled to an opinion but thats a bit HARSH !
 
strictly off the topic of Hicks, but what the heck - it's still a current phenomenon that most of us I'm sure would have "felt" before. For a start, there are 50 odd cameras monitoring Sydney CBD, - if you spit in the gutter , there's a fair chance that you'll be caught on film - as for stealing a po... - no won't go there . (gotta feeling my distant rels preferred stealing meat pies )
 
I'm sure porkpie can look his own son in the eyes and wish that happens to him if he's o/s and gets arrested.
 
since Hicks apparently spent some time with KLA in Kosovo - this might give some possibilities of what he was doing. Not meaning to take sides here, just pointing out that Yugoslavia under MiloÅ¡ević was a bit of a mess (inherited from history including the likes of Tito and Milosevic), and KLA only surfaced in 1996 - after massacre of Bosnian Moslems, and arguably almost as a last resort. The KLA ended up fighting on the same side as NATO, for what it's worth. Hicks may have even waved to US airplanes going overhead ?? - pure speculation. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovo_War
 
son of baglimit said:
aint it ironic the 'peace and love' troupe are supporting a mercenary !!!
based on the timing of your post son of baglimit,
I assume you're supporting Milosevic ?
 
Checking my personal mail, I,m not the only one who skips 2020s posts

Who else

Bob.
 
It's Snake Pliskin said:
Bob, more like a perpetuating virus.

The love and peace brigade days are history. People are tired of it.
Spot on about that Snake !

Just check that action of hate ~ muslems V muslems every night on SBS.
Wow what a peaceful religion

Have Fun
Bob.
 
son of baglimit said:
aint it ironic the 'peace and love' troupe are supporting a mercenary !!!
son of baglimit, there are many ways of looking at this - as there probably are of looking at Kosovo, or East Timor, or Afghanistan, or the Cronulla question ( - where I believe Snake even agreed with me lol) -
and depending on the emphasis, I guess you could be accused of belongiong to a "troupe" as you call it.
Personally here, I'd prefer to call my emphasis "truth and honesty" than "peace and love".

If you had seen the SBS show "Hicks and the President", you would have followed some of Hick's life. - possibly start to understand him. He became a rodeo rider - showed him on a bucking bull for instance. (off subject except that he's no wuss, whatever else he may or may not be).

His motivations for going to Pakistan and Kosovo appeared to be purely religious with a (probably) misguided single mindedness to follow some spiritual calling. Everyone he met who was subsequently interviewed was amazed that a (recent convert) Aussie would be such a dedicated Moslem. He impressed people with some sort of "nun-like peace", lol. Maybe you could call him a "morally driven mercenary" But you'd hardly call him a "commercially driven mercenary".

As for NATO being slow to go into Kosovo, (by comparison to Hicks - not that I'm suggesting we should all be taking these things on ourselves) - international opinion seems to wait until things get totally out of control before they act. (the blood soaked doll that "galvanised" world opinion and NATO / UN will to act in Kosovo; or I guess the bloodbath after the East Timor elections for that matter, after which Aus / UN finally acted )
I have asked SBS for details of links to that "Hicks vs President" thing , but no joy as yet.

Maybe you're into a Hollywood version of what Bosnia and Kosovo was like, go watch the likes of "Behind Enemy Lines", Owen Wilson - about downed pilots in Kosova, or Bosnia, forget). typical Hollywood, bludy gruesome etc

As for posts other-than-about-trading, you're right, One things for sure, you'll be financially richer than I will be. But once I've put my bets on, I look for something else to do with my mind - try to pick the "spinball" that the pollies pitch at us - and maybe have an unbiassed initial opinion about the likes of Hicks, at least until I've DMOR

PS Terry Hicks ( his father) says he went to Afghanistan to get his passport - maybe it's as simple as that. Maybe worse - but it any event , Is it a hanging offence to be in a country when the UN/USA attack looking for AQ? - especially confusing when the last country you were in , you were on the same side as NATO/UN? - As Winston Churchill said, it's rarely black and white m8

PPS Just by the way - even Johnny Howard has now joined your "peace and love" brigade lol

(Final comment I promise , for someone who has me on ignore - Bobby sure fills up a lot of space with posts presumably in my direction lol . )
 
It's Snake Pliskin said:
Bob, more like a perpetuating virus. The love and peace brigade days are history. People are tired of it.
Snake, here's a couple of thoughts for the day
"Ideologically aware" seems to be strange contrast to your post about this or that brigade being history "people are tired of it"

Are you saying that the feds who now back Hicks (Howard to some extent at least) are "love and peace brigade" ?

Never forget that one of the most infectious of all concepts (ideolological or otherwise) is a smile m8
 
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