Coronavirus vaccine news

[grah33]

Pat Cash explains his view (doesn't trust vaccines at all):

I’m angry about COVID lies – tennis legend Pat Cash - LifeSite

'In our national anthem, in the first paragraph, it says, ‘We are young and free’ – we are not free any more. And that is absolutely clear. They are locking down. But... to think that we have a free society anywhere, for that matter, is questionable.'

www.lifesitenews.com

 

[moXJO]

I had the 2nd AZ today as well Mo no side effects so far no sore arm nada, keep an eye on the inflammation could well be some thing else.

Definitely the vax. Just got it a bit in my shoulders again today.
Completely anecdotal but sunshine and working hard seemed to let me bypass the worst of it.
This time it attacked my eyes.

If I had my time over I would have got AZ. Safer without the lipid nanoparticles and protects you for longer than pfizer.

 

[wayneL]

Hmmm

 

[sptrawler]

I had the 2nd AZ today as well Mo no side effects so far no sore arm nada, keep an eye on the inflammation could well be some thing else.

The mother in law had here second jab of AZ, about a week ago, rang us yesterday she has pneumonia could be co incidental and she is 89?
A close friend (the garbo) had his first AZ jab last week, three days later sweats, aching joints and stomach cramps.
Myself absolutely no side effects, just one of life's legends, well that's what I told my mate. ?

 

[grah33]

The thing that has changed is the likely cause of the problem ...
It's a principle in troubleshooting. So yeah, if something new is happening to you, it's likely as a result of the vaccine.

 

[grah33]

Hmmm

I heard he really did sterilize many people in Africa through vaccination, and this wasn't reported in the media (deliberately). The answer to what the heck is really going on might just be a little simple guess, as often is the case. We'll find out sooner or later, I suppose.

 

[grah33]

ased November 4: “This proved right our worst fears; that this WHO campaign is not about eradicating neonatal tetanus but a well-coordinated forceful population control mass sterilization exercise using a proven fertility regulating vaccine. This evidence was presented to the Ministry of Health before the third round of immunization but was ignored.” (Source) Dr. Ngare brought up several points about the mass tetanus vaccination program in Kenya that caused the Catholic doctors to become suspicious: Dr. Ngare told LifeSiteNews that several things alerted doctors in the Church’s far-flung medical system of 54 hospitals, 83 health centers, and 17 medical and nursing schools to the possibility the anti-tetanus campaign was secretly an anti-fertility campaign. Why, they ask does it involve an unprecedented five shots (or “jabs” as they are known, in Kenya) over more than two years and why is it applied only to women of childbearing years, and why is it being conducted without the usual fanfare of government publicity? “Usually we give a series three shots over two to three years, we give it anyone who comes into the clinic with an open wound, men, women or children.” said Dr. Ngare. But it is the five vaccination regime that is most alarming. “The only time tetanus vaccine has been given in five doses is when it is used as a carrier in fertility regulating vaccines laced with the pregnancy hormone, Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) developed by WHO in 1992.” (Source) UNICEF: A History of Taking Advantage of Disasters to Mass Vaccinate It should be noted that UNICEF and WHO distribute these vaccines for free and that there are financial incentives for the Kenyan government to participate in these programs. When funds from the UN are not enough to purchase yearly allotments of vaccines, an organization started and funded by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, GAVI, provides extra funding for many of these vaccination programs in poor countries. Also, there was no outbreak of tetanus in Kenya, only the perceived “threat” of tetanus due to local flood conditions. These local disasters are a common reason UNICEF goes into poorer countries with free vaccines to begin mass vaccination programs. (elsewhere says that they were lied to ...)

 

[Knobby22]

distribute these vaccines for free funded by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, GAVI, provides extra funding for many of these vaccination programs in poor countries. Also, there was no outbreak of tetanus ...)

Tetanus is in the environment generally so that is incorrect to start with but the whole article is a baseless conspiracy theory.

False: WHO created a tetanus shot that can attack pregnancy hormones. | Logically Facts

False: WHO created a tetanus shot that can attack pregnancy hormones.

www.logically.ai

 

[basilio]

Tetanus is in the environment generally so that is incorrect to start with but the whole article is a baseless conspiracy theory.

False: WHO created a tetanus shot that can attack pregnancy hormones. | Logically Facts

False: WHO created a tetanus shot that can attack pregnancy hormones.

www.logically.ai

That analysis is well worth reading to appreciate how projects can be twisted beyond recognition - and then believed. There is an even more comprehensive analysis of the situation.

Check it out.

ANALYSIS: Why does an old, false claim about tetanus vaccine safety refuse to die?

An old rumour that a tetanus vaccine causing infertility in women is resurfacing, this time in West Africa. Vinayak Bhardwaj explains - as many others have over the last 20 years - why this claim is false and why it’s important to keep debunking it.

africacheck.org

 

[Knobby22]

Great post Bas.
I find it fascinating how conspiracy theories morph to suit the times.
Like bring in modern figures as in this case.

 

[divs4ever]

My sister in law has her masters in mathematics. She is not having the Vax for now (but like me has not discounted it at some point in the future).

and she isn't a ASF member ??

i thought she would be prime for a share portfolio ( maybe even a HFT devotee )

 

[wayneL]

and she isn't a ASF member ??

i thought she would be prime for a share portfolio ( maybe even a HFT devotee )

Lurker.

But doesn't want to reduce her IQ points by getting into debates here. LOL

 

[wayneL]

I couldn't really figure out which thread to put this in, but this demonstrates how far down the road of the Idiocracy we have traveled.

 

[divs4ever]

Lurker.

But doesn't want to reduce her IQ points by getting into debates here. LOL

i was hoping she would boost the IQ here , give Doctor Bourse and others some data-crunching discussions and tips

 

[grah33]

That analysis is well worth reading to appreciate how projects can be twisted beyond recognition - and then believed. There is an even more comprehensive analysis of the situation.

Check it out.

ANALYSIS: Why does an old, false claim about tetanus vaccine safety refuse to die?

An old rumour that a tetanus vaccine causing infertility in women is resurfacing, this time in West Africa. Vinayak Bhardwaj explains - as many others have over the last 20 years - why this claim is false and why it’s important to keep debunking it.

africacheck.org

I wouldn't rely too much on fact checkers. They do a lot of bull as well

 

[bellenuit]

I wouldn't rely too much on fact checkers. They do a lot of bull as well

Did you even do a rudimentary check of that story before you posted it?

 

[basilio]

I wouldn't rely too much on fact checkers. They do a lot of bull as well

Really Grah ? Can you show us where fact checkers get it so wrong please ?
The whole point of fact checking sites is to look for evidence of statements. So if you can produce examples where fact checking has been provably wrong I would be very interested.

By the way do you think that this particular instance is one where the fact checkers got it wrong ?

 

[Belli]

But doesn't want to reduce her IQ points by getting into debates here. LOL

That's a shame. Would have been nice to see if a masters in maths could provide a similar analysis as a counterpoint to this

Per-capita, per-state COVID-19 case plots, with projections

chrisbillington.net

Per-capita, per-country COVID-19 case plots, with projections

chrisbillington.net

 

[sptrawler]

Really Grah ? Can you show us where fact checkers get it so wrong please ?
The whole point of fact checking sites is to look for evidence of statements. So if you can produce examples where fact checking has been provably wrong I would be very interested.

By the way do you think that this particular instance is one where the fact checkers got it wrong ?

The fact checkers I have watched, depend a lot on the reporters leaning, whether they see the facts as (half true or mostly true) or (half false or mostly false).
It is very subjective in the shows I have seen, it would also depend on who selects the subject matter, or if the subject matter is decided by independent parties.
A fact checking show on the ABC, will be completely different from a fact checking show on a News Corp programme, even if it is fact checking the same subject.
That is why I take most of it with a grain of salt.

 

[rederob]

The fact checkers I have watched, depend a lot on the reporters leaning, whether they see the facts as (half true or mostly true) or (half false or mostly false).
It is very subjective in the shows I have seen, it would also depend on who selects the subject matter, or if the subject matter is decided by independent parties.
A fact checking show on the ABC, will be completely different from a fact checking show on a News Corp programme, even if it is fact checking the same subject.
That is why I take most of it with a grain of salt.

Why not provide examples?
A fact does not change.
A fact also lives in a context.
I don't know of any Australian news channels that are fact checkers. The closest I know of is the ABC's Media Watch which is about media analysis rather than facts per se.
@bellenuit legitimately asks what checking was carried out prior to posting. It is undeniable that post #967 has been disproven many times, yet finds it way here to pervert the value of vaccinations.
On that topic there have been regular references to Israel's number of vaccinated people contracting covid, suggesting that vaccines are not actually effective. But when you look at what underpins the data it conveys the exact opposite intent to that of the poster's.
On the subject of misinformation we could look at post #973. A claim in that post suggests the American Association of Pediatrics has made an odd "statement". In fact, the AAP made no such statement. It's a concoction from antivaxxers or other miscreants who mistook an article from bioethecists in the AAP's publication entitled Pediatrics, where concerns were raised about the use of "natural" in messaging on health. Furthermore, they never suggested that "breastfeeding isn't natural".
It's an indictment of our society that people choose to deliberately or through sheer ignorance misrepresent important health concepts and put lives at risk.