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Coronavirus (COVID-19/SARS-CoV-2) outbreak discussion

Will the "Corona Virus" turn into a worldwide epidemic or fizzle out?

  • Yes

    Votes: 37 49.3%

  • No

    Votes: 9 12.0%

  • Bigger than SARS, but not worldwide epidemic (Black Death/bubonic plague)

    Votes: 25 33.3%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 4 5.3%
  • Total voters
    75
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rederob said:
Did they?
Taiwan wrote to the WHO before they even knew about the virus, did they?
You are a classic conspiracy theory spreader who does not check facts.
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Speaking to reporters in Taipei, the island's Centres for Disease Control chief Chou Jih-haw said that it written to the WHO and China as early as Dec. 31, asking for information about the newly uncovered virus outbreak in China's Wuhan city, including whether there was human-to-human transmission.

"We asked them whether there's a possibility of human-to-human transmission. We indeed asked them and reminded them of the matter," Chou said. He said the WHO confirmed it had received the letter but did not respond to it.

Health Minister Chen Shih-chung, sitting next to Chou, said Taiwan had fortunately decided that same day to begin screening passengers flying in from Wuhan, and activated its emergency operations center on Jan. 2 - a move experts say allowed Taiwan to effectively control the early spread of the virus.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-questions-at-start-of-outbreak-idUSKBN21B160
 
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Biggest takeover I can remember related to current events is Canada Private Equity buying Healthscope.

China ships over some urgently needed medical supplies to Wuhan and everyone gets paranoid.
 
rederob said:
Did they?
Taiwan wrote to the WHO before they even knew about the virus, did they?
You are a classic conspiracy theory spreader who does not check facts.
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Again failing to address any of the five points.

You know even though we have disagreed on a few things in the past and really very few, I have always thought your posts were well thought out and often very informative. I just can't understand what you are up to with this stubborn refusal to acknowledge what people are saying. Starting by implying I am stupid, but then taking it back when I showed you that I held the same opinion as you on the issue of China deliberately infecting its own people, to then accusing me several times of being factually incorrect in relation to the five points that I said summarised why many are saying questions should be asked. You said my five points were unfounded even though I quoted what was said and gave the sources. You then said "It raises a question in your mind because you have created your own fantasies about what has actually happened" and I added more sources from different geographic/political outlets that showed it was not a fantasy I created but something that many others were expressing (and I could add lots more, but haven't the inclination).

All this time you have refused to show why my five points are unfounded though given multiple opportunities to do so. Now I have become a classic conspiracy theory spreader who does not check facts. And to illustrate that you have picked on the Taiwan issue from my last post, but moXJO has saved me the bother of finding another source, by including the REUTERS item above.

You have been given the opportunity to put up or shut up in relation to why those five points are factually incorrect or unfounded and have failed to do so. If you want to redeem yourself, here are the five points one last time for you to individually refute, otherwise I am done with you.

1. The WHO general director, Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, was seen by many as completely over the top in his praise for Xi and the actions of the CPP.

2. Xi and the CPP spoke out strongly against bans on international travel.

3. WHO decided against declaring a PHEIC, which meant there would be no calls for restrictions on travel in and out of China.

4. Xi and the CPP used the WHO declarations on international travel in their ostracisms of other countries imposing a ban.

5. The bans greatly slowed down the spread of the virus world wide, but complete isolation of China would have been better. Most early cases outside of China related directly to people travelling from China.
 
bellenuit said:
Again failing to address any of the five points.
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I don't give credence to poorly informed China bashing.
Here's some of the official advice from the WHO regarding what was necessary in respect of international travel:
Advice for entry screening in countries/areas without transmission of the novel coronavirus 2019-nCoV
  • Evidence shows that temperature screening to detect potential suspect cases at entry may miss travelers incubating the disease or travelers concealing fever during travel and may require substantial investments. However, during the current outbreak with the novel coronavirus 2019-nCoV, the majority of exported cases were detected through entry screening. The risk of importation of the disease may be reduced if temperature screening at entry is associated with early detection of symptomatic passengers and their referral for medical follow up.
  • Temperature screening should always be accompanied by dissemination of risk communication messages at points of entry. This can be done through posters, leaflets, electronic bulletin, etc, aiming at raising awareness among travelers about signs and symptoms of the disease, and encouragement of health care seeking behavior, including when to seek medical care, and report of their travel history.
  • Counties implementing temperature screening are encouraged to establish proper mechanism for data collection and analysis, e.g .numbers of travelers screened and confirmed cases out of screened passengers, and method of screening. In implementing entry screening, countries should take into account national policies and capacity.
  • Public health authorities should reinforce collaboration with airlines operators for case management on board aircraft and reporting, should a traveler with respiratory disease symptoms is detected, in accordance with the IATA guidance for cabin crew to manage suspected communicable disease on board an aircraft.
Previous advice with regards to procedures for a sick traveller detected on board a plane and requirements for IHR capacities at points of entry remains unchanged (see WHO Advice published on 10 January 2020).​

Where are your media quotes about what other nations were doing to comply with the WHO's recommendations?
You points smack of the xenophobia that led to Chinese been shunned in our communities and their businesses being the first to hit the wall.
The WHO outlined what they saw as necessary and very few countries acted on it.
Why is that not important?
As late as a few weeks ago Australia had done nothing at points of entry, and as late as Friday we stuffed up handling a large number of doctors who caught a private flight back to Sydney.
What Australia and the USA did for months was rely on a ham-fisted shortcut in selectively restricting travel from China and other countries without implementing other port of entry health initiatives and controls. This has been most apparent with cruise ship passenger mishandling.
What your bias has also overlooked is that that some of the early spread to other countries preceded knowledge of COVID-19's asymptomatic veracity. This article explains the significance of that omission.
I can see from some of your quotes that you read from rather unscrupulous media, so I am not going to waste any more time addressing what you have peddled.
 
There is a virus cluster in the Barossa after two tour groups visited-one US tourists and one Swiss tourists tourists.Not much information on their movements from the eastern states,but some are referring to it as the Hillsong cluster.
 
Here is the ultimate test of faith over science.
It is not every Church of course.

Churchgoers all over world ignore physical distancing advice
Services from Moscow to Rio go ahead as clerics disregard coronavirus risk

Andrew Roth in Moscow, Shaun Walker in Budapest and Dom Phillips in Rio de Janeiro

Mon 30 Mar 2020 03.39 AEDT Last modified on Mon 30 Mar 2020 06.40 AEDT
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/29/church-goers-around-the-world-ignore-social-distance-advice
 
rederob said:
I don't give credence to poorly informed China bashing.

You points smack of the xenophobia that led to Chinese been shunned in our communities and their businesses being the first to hit the wall.
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This is about the failure of the CCP. Their lies affect the Chinese people just as much.
The doctors and those fighting for freedom from oppression are in my mind hero's.
They are at physical risk from what they do and should be supported by any means necessary.
 
IMO the restrictions on society will be having a dramatic effect on the supply of illicit drugs, I would think and this must be causing great stress in those who are dependent on those drugs. So if you are out for any reason be aware and give people behaving strangely a wide berth, try not to engage with them and avoid eye contact. Be safe.
Just my opinion.
https://au.news.yahoo.com/aldi-shopper-coughs-in-workers-face-after-supermarket-rant-024022782.html
From the article:
A video has captured the disturbing moment an irate Aldi shopper coughed on a supermarket worker’s face after going on a rant.
On March 21, Sydney shopper Cosmo Commisso filmed the moment an unidentified woman began accusing an Aldi supermarket employee of stealing “hundreds of dollars” from her purse.


Fortunately, the employee was quick to cover his face with a magazine.

“Mate, I just had f***ing hundreds in my hand, where is it?” The woman is heard saying in the video.

“Where the f**k is it?”

As she approached the store’s exit she screamed: “You don’t know who I f***ing am.
 
sptrawler said:
IMO the restrictions on society will be having a dramatic effect on the supply of illicit drugs, I would think and this must be causing great stress in those who are dependent on those drugs. So if you are out for any reason be aware and give people behaving strangely a wide berth, try not to engage with them and avoid eye contact. Be safe.
Just my opinion.
https://au.news.yahoo.com/aldi-shopper-coughs-in-workers-face-after-supermarket-rant-024022782.html
From the article:
A video has captured the disturbing moment an irate Aldi shopper coughed on a supermarket worker’s face after going on a rant.
On March 21, Sydney shopper Cosmo Commisso filmed the moment an unidentified woman began accusing an Aldi supermarket employee of stealing “hundreds of dollars” from her purse.


Fortunately, the employee was quick to cover his face with a magazine.

“Mate, I just had f***ing hundreds in my hand, where is it?” The woman is heard saying in the video.

“Where the f**k is it?”

As she approached the store’s exit she screamed: “You don’t know who I f***ing am.
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This and other mental health issues are gonna be huge I am guessing.
 
wayneL said:
This and other mental health issues are gonna be huge I am guessing.
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I just think it is something people who have not witnessed a person in a drug related psychotic episode, needs to be aware of, generally if you give them a wide berth, ignore them and don't make eye contact they just stick to themselves.
The last thing older people should be doing, is going over to comfort or engage with them IMO.
Ring the police, or call an ambulance, but keep a safe distance and do not stare at them. Just from personal experience.
 
sptrawler said:
I just think it is something people who have not witnessed a person in a drug related psychotic episode, needs to be aware of, generally if you give them a wide berth, ignore them and don't make eye contact they just stick to themselves.
The last thing older people should be doing, is going over to comfort or engage with them IMO.
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I've seen it, it is highly alarming and good advice, Homer.
 
me not know either, so.....

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