Coronavirus (COVID-19/SARS-CoV-2) outbreak discussion

[sptrawler]

I read that there has been a big lift in caravan sales, so I suppose a lot of City people are going to rush off to the bush, hope they get checked before they go because country towns couldnt cope with a large out break.
But the new aussie attitude coming to the fore diligaf.

 

[bellenuit]

I read that there has been a big lift in caravan sales, so I suppose a lot of City people are going to rush off to the bush, hope they get checked before they go because country towns couldnt cope with a large out break.
But the new aussie attitude coming to the fore diligaf.

I would think that if you have a typical stand alone house in a city or large town and are not part of an apartment complex, you are far better staying put that heading off in a caravan or even doing as the peppers do.

You can access your needs by occasional visits to the supermarket. Just take all the advised precautions. Beyond that just stay at home. Should you need medical assistance (COVID-19 or otherwise), medical facilities are close at hand. You are not going to have issues regarding inter- or intrastate travel restrictions. And in the case of caravaners, you are not going to be depleting the supplies of the small country towns.

 

[Humid]

I see in the SMH, that Victoria,s chief medical officer has openly criticised the publics behaviour as large crowds flock to the beaches.
I cant understand why he or any Australian official expects any other outcome, the media every day say the governments are crap and dont know what they are talking about, why would people have any respect for them.
It is ludicrous to expect Australians to have respect for authority, there is respect for very little these days, the media has a lot to answer for IMO.

But the governments are crap they just look after their mates in big business to get a job at the end of it

 

[sptrawler]

But the governments are crap they just look after their mates in big business to get a job at the end of it

Absolutely and silly billy wasnt going to be any different, thats where you and I differ, you think one side is different to the other, in reality they are both the same with a different spin IMO.
So I will still pick the one I think will do less damage to my kids, you will pick the same side regardless.
It doesnt mean Im right, it just means Im thinking about it.
Just my opinion and the law of averages says we will both be right sometimes.

 

[Humid]

Absolutely and silly billy wasnt going to be any different, thats where you and I differ, you think one side is different to the other, in reality they are both the same with a different spin IMO.
So I will still pick the one I think will do less damage to my kids, you will pick the same side regardless.
It doesnt mean Im right, it just means Im thinking about it.
Just my opinion and the law of averages says we will both be right sometimes.

Looking at the snaking Centrelink lines through the streets which party do you think casualised the workforce
Constantly attacking unions and job conditions beyond that I don’t give a rats

 

[Humid]

Absolutely and silly billy wasnt going to be any different, thats where you and I differ, you think one side is different to the other, in reality they are both the same with a different spin IMO.
So I will still pick the one I think will do less damage to my kids, you will pick the same side regardless.
It doesnt mean Im right, it just means Im thinking about it.
Just my opinion and the law of averages says we will both be right sometimes.

Looking at the snaking Centrelink lines through the streets which party do you think casualised the workforce
Constantly attacking unions and job conditions they had an RC into unions and banks
Which ones were the crooks

 

[Humid]

The keyboard thing is spreading like a virus Homer

 

[fiftyeight]

Governments should be throwing money at 3Blue1Brown to help develop teaching aids for STEM.

He has nailed it again with this one

 

[sptrawler]

The keyboard thing is spreading like a virus Homer

Dont get too excited humid.
We could have already been in recession if silly billy had got in.
Not that it will make much difference at the end of the day.
Dont forget, during the Rudd, Gillard years it was peak 457 worker period.OMG was it, yes, well I never who would have thought.
Give me a break Humid, tell your fairytales to the fifo boys on the flight.
Howard introduced 457s in 1996 at the start of the mining boom, they peaked in 2012 why the f#$#
didnt Rudd or Gillard ramp up apprenticeships, well because they are full of it like some others.
But they roll the chestnut out before every election, talk about rope a dope.

 

[Humid]

Dont get too excited humid.
We could have already been in recession if silly billy had got in.
Not that it will make much difference at the end of the day.
Dont forget, during the Rudd, Gillard years it was peak 457 worker period.OMG was it, yes, well I never who would have thought.
Give me a break Humid, tell your fairytales to the fifo boys on the flight.
Howard introduced 457s in 1996 at the start of the mining boom, they peaked in 2012 why the f#$#
didnt Rudd or Gillard ramp up apprenticeships, well because they are full of it like some others.
But they roll the chestnut out before every election, talk about rope a dope.

Great post mate totally forget the casuals and flat rates that I’m talking about
And ramble on
Isn’t there restrictions on booze?

 

[sptrawler]

Great post mate totally forget the casuals and flat rates that I’m talking about
And ramble on
Isn’t there restrictions on booze?

Just stick to your fairytales mate.
Romancing the rock apes and blinding them with your brilliance.

 

[chrislp]

I haven't read the whole thread yet but am I the only one thinking that ruining economies for potentially years or decades to come is the best solution to this problem?

In my opinion the solution governments are creating to shutting down economies is way worse than the effects of this virus.

I can understand China being a communist country can do whatever they want but it seems all democratic counties are following the same path.

The liberal party currently seem like die hard labour. I'll be interested to see how they handle investment properties & rents. From what I've read the government has said everyone should share pain equally but unless they've already announced it politicians should cut their incomes by at least 70% if they're being genuine.

Anyway my 2 cents. It's all a bit depressing.

 

[Smurf1976]

In my opinion the solution governments are creating to shutting down economies is way worse than the effects of this virus.

I can understand China being a communist country can do whatever they want but it seems all democratic counties are following the same path.

I'll simply say that the communists understand how democracy works far, far better than democracies understand how communism works.

 

[MrChow]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza_pandemic

Infection Rate:

1889: 20–60%
1918: 33% or >55%
1957: >17%
1968: >14%
2009: 11-22%

Waves of Infections:

1889: 4
1918: 3
1957: 2
1968: 2
2009: 2

So historical outcomes suggest a minimum 11% infection rate over 2 waves. We would have to defy history to fulfill the current narrative of a few weeks effort and the economy's back to normal.

 

[Humid]

Just stick to your fairytales mate.
Romancing the rock apes and blinding them with your brilliance.

What do you reckon woolies and Coles are making without paying penalty rates at the moment?
Who took them away?

 

[Knobby22]

Italy above 10,000 deaths total
889 official deaths today.

 

[wayneL]

Hate to give you the bad news but it's the alcohol that kills the virus.

It needs to be 70%+ alcohol to be effective. Whatever else it contains is really just to try and offset the damage the alcohol is doing to your skin etc but it's the strong alcohol that makes it effective.

So as long as it's 70%+ alcohol then it'll do the job.

Just an anecdote about alcohol (metho) on skin, I use it regularly to de-fat hooves if I need to use prosthetic material. I can't notice any real negative effect.

Yes it will nuke the sebum in the top layer of skin, but so does soap.

You can alway slap on some hand lotion if your skin is dry.

 

[Logique]

I would think that if you have a typical stand alone house in a city or large town and are not part of an apartment complex, you are far better staying put that heading off in a caravan or even doing as the peppers do.
You can access your needs by occasional visits to the supermarket. Just take all the advised precautions. Beyond that just stay at home. Should you need medical assistance (COVID-19 or otherwise), medical facilities are close at hand. You are not going to have issues regarding inter- or intrastate travel restrictions. And in the case of caravaners, you are not going to be depleting the supplies of the small country towns.

Yes good post Bellen. A lot of regional doctors can't even get surgical masks/gowns. And the supermarket shelves are already bare enough. At this point in the virus, small settlements don't need need the increased pressure from out-of-towners. Self isolate in your own patch people

 

[rederob]

I don't know if this news outlet has any political affiliations or political agenda, but it certainly supports what I was saying a few days ago regarding possible complicity, willing or unwilling, between the WHO's Director General and China.

Why not provide real evidence rather than your unfounded views. The media organisation you quote from has a poor history of accuracy and is known for peddling fake news, for example

• Bhushan, Sandeep (29 June 2019). "Book extract: Republic TV, age of fake news and promoters in Indian TV newsrooms". National Herald.
• Patel, Jignesh (8 March 2019). "Zee News broadcasts old, unrelated satellite visuals as destroyed JEM camp in Balakot". Alt News.
• Hafeez, Sarah (22 February 2018). "Zee News producer quits: Video we shot had no Pakistan Zindabad slogan". The Indian Express.
• Yadav, Puneet (21 February 2020). "Are Newsrooms Run By Political Masters? Why Are Editors Compromising On Truth Telling?". Outlook.
• Rampal, Nikhil (3 December 2018). "Zee News tweets doctored video of Navjot Sidhu's Rajasthan rally". ThePrint.

In an interview with the BBC a few days ago the US Secretary for Health confirmed his Department had been in direct contact with China's health authorities since January 3. At that time the reproduction number R0 (used to measure the transmission potential of a disease) was unknown. In fact the reason the virus was initially called the novel coronavirus was because it was new and unknown.
Yes, the Chinese suppressed public knowledge of COVID-19 until they knew what they were dealing with, and back then - and right now for that matter - many things about the virus remain unknown.

 

[Logique]

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The COVID-19 crisis has rapidly transformed relations between the union movement and the Coalition.
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