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Will the "Corona Virus" turn into a worldwide epidemic or fizzle out?

  • Yes

    Votes: 37 49.3%

  • No

    Votes: 9 12.0%

  • Bigger than SARS, but not worldwide epidemic (Black Death/bubonic plague)

    Votes: 25 33.3%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 4 5.3%
  • Total voters
    75
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rederob said:
Why not provide real evidence rather than your unfounded views. The media organisation you quote from has a poor history of accuracy and is known for peddling fake news, for example

In an interview with the BBC a few days ago the US Secretary for Health confirmed his Department had been in direct contact with China's health authorities since January 3. At that time the reproduction number R0 (used to measure the transmission potential of a disease) was unknown. In fact the reason the virus was initially called the novel coronavirus was because it was new and unknown.
Yes, the Chinese suppressed public knowledge of COVID-19 until they knew what they were dealing with, and back then - and right now for that matter - many things about the virus remain unknown.
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WHO is up Chinas ass and the media has begun questioning WHO.
 
Humid said:
What do you reckon woolies and Coles are making without paying penalty rates at the moment?
Who took them away?
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From memory I read that Woolies and Coles work under an eBay and they do pay the penalties, do you have any info to the contrary, or are you just guessing ?
 
Thanks DB for the links.

Looked up Redisivar. Not that promising. If it works, good chance it doesn't, it will likely need to be given at the earliest stages of the disease and intravenously which is difficult.

So maybe a few billionaires might get treated in case it works a bit.

It's up to Australia who developed the technology to get the vaccine as fast as we can. They were searching for the cure for the common cold when Conav19 came along.

Been a few weeks of animal testing so getting there. I don't think there is anyone else close. She has a strong Scottish accent.
 
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rederob said:
Why not provide real evidence rather than your unfounded views.
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Actually I did provide the same information on my post from several days back which was from different sources and did state that this new video was confirming a lot of what had been disclosed by the others sources. And the original sources I gave were just a sample of what I found within a few minutes searching and I ignored many others simply because they were unnecessary to prove what I was saying.

As to my views being unfounded, this is the summation I gave on what was said in the last post. Perhaps you could go though each and explain which are unfounded and why? It would be much easier to do that that trying to find fault in one of the sources (which I clearly stated was one I had not heard of before and was unaware of its background). And all that effort you put in to discredit that source was wasted, as your links did not address the issues I raised, just claims by others that it had posted hoax news on unrelated topics (what's new there).

This is from my last post on that subject and is a summation of what I had said in the previous few posts. Please say which are incorrect and why?

1. The WHO general director, Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, was seen by many as completely over the top in his praise for Xi and the actions of the CPP.

2. Xi and the CPP spoke out strongly against bans on international travel.

3. WHO decided against declaring a PHEIC, which meant there would be no calls for restrictions on travel in and out of China.

4. Xi and the CPP used the WHO declarations on international travel in their ostracisms of other countries imposing a ban.

5. The bans greatly slowed down the spread of the virus world wide, but complete isolation of China would have been better. Most early cases outside of China related directly to people travelling from China.

As to the following from you:

Yes, the Chinese suppressed public knowledge of COVID-19 until they knew what they were dealing with, and back then - and right now for that matter - many things about the virus remain unknown.
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My issue is and I have stated it over and over again is that China was ostracising other countries for imposing travel bans on travel from China, while at the time as they were doing this, it was already established as a Corona virus and China was actively putting their own cities in total lockdown. Even without complete knowledge of the virus, caution alone would have been sufficient reason to impose such a ban

Nothing you have posted has explained why they were doing this.

Since you have several times aggressively attacked my posts on this issue since first posted, perhaps you could put up or shut up in relation to the 5 points above and maybe offer an acceptable explanation for the last issue.
 
moXJO said:
WHO is up Chinas ass and the media has begun questioning WHO.
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On the China aspect of this whole thing I’ll simply note that humanity has just been kicked firmly in the guts by a problem which, taking the “official” explanation as true, ultimately stems from the extremely poor treatment of animals.

So long as the West turns a blind eye to animal and human abuses in the pursuit of cheap consumer goods we’re all contributors to this disaster.

It’s time to enforce proper standards. If it’s not acceptable here then we shouldn’t accept it anywhere.
 
Smurf1976 said:
On the China aspect ....
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we've probably forgotten but, and if the info is correct as per the first graph (.... deaths increasing [elsewhere] more rapidly than in China)
https://www.ft.com/coronavirus-latest
that "China began its strict lockdowns after around 30 deaths" - to which I would add 30 'acknowledged' deaths - which is a whole lot earlier than the rest of the world's response
 
bellenuit said:
Nothing you have posted has explained why they were doing this.
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China was of the view that the WHO advice relating to unnecessary travel and trade restrictions was adequate: "Tedros has stressed that there is no reason to take unnecessary measures to interfere with international travel and trade."
The R0 infection rate at that time was not known, but China went above and beyond any measure ever taken to isolate Wuhan and its province from the rest of the world. It's fine in hindsight to be critical of China, but a great deal of responsibility for the calamity facing us today lies at our own government's lethargy.
Australia did nothing at points of entry for almost 3 months after becoming aware of this virus, yet Korea did something in a matter of days.
Please read and try to understand the advice given by the WHO - which was based on the best information available to them at that time - rather than try to turn this into a conspiracy theory.
 
rederob said:
China was of the view that the WHO advice relating to unnecessary travel and trade restrictions was adequate: "Tedros has stressed that there is no reason to take unnecessary measures to interfere with international travel and trade."
The R0 infection rate at that time was not known, but China went above and beyond any measure ever taken to isolate Wuhan and its province from the rest of the world. It's fine in hindsight to be critical of China, but a great deal of responsibility for the calamity facing us today lies at our own government's lethargy.
Australia did nothing at points of entry for almost 3 months after becoming aware of this virus, yet Korea did something in a matter of days.
Please read and try to understand the advice given by the WHO - which was based on the best information available to them at that time - rather than try to turn this into a conspiracy theory.
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I'd be praising Singapore, South Korea, Taiwan not bloody China. All those countries slowed it without the harsh treatment and lies China showed to it's own citizens.

The world is infected because they dropped the ball. CCP has a lot to answer for. Not the rest of the world. It was already spread before China alerted the world. China let out hundreds of thousands of people before they locked down. They knew as early as November that something was up.

WHO did not act in the best interests of the world. They were still pushing that it wasn't contagious in mid January.

And China is currently in a propaganda push to blame other countries for the outbreak.

 
rederob said:
China was of the view that the WHO advice relating to unnecessary travel and trade restrictions was adequate: "Tedros has stressed that there is no reason to take unnecessary measures to interfere with international travel and trade."
The R0 infection rate at that time was not known, but China went above and beyond any measure ever taken to isolate Wuhan and its province from the rest of the world. It's fine in hindsight to be critical of China, but a great deal of responsibility for the calamity facing us today lies at our own government's lethargy.
Australia did nothing at points of entry for almost 3 months after becoming aware of this virus, yet Korea did something in a matter of days.
Please read and try to understand the advice given by the WHO - which was based on the best information available to them at that time - rather than try to turn this into a conspiracy theory.
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You have ignored the five points that you said were unfounded statements. Or have you conveniently forgotten them?

As to the above comment, who do you think WHO was getting its, what is now patently false, information from?

And quit your conspiracy theory crap. I said at the start it raised a question that should be looked into. And if you don’t think that it does you are extremely naive.
 
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bellenuit said:
And quit your conspiracy theory crap. I said at the start it raised a question that should be looked into. And if you don’t think that it does you are extremely naive.
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It raises a question in your mind because you have created your own fantasies about what has actually happened.
I don't live under your illusions.
 
rederob said:
It raises a question in your mind because you have created your own fantasies about what has actually happened.
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Again failing to address any of the five points.

And if you think it is all an illusion in my mind, remember that the posts I made on the subject were from the Washington Post and South China Morning Post.

But not just those. Below is a selection of articles from a diverse range of geographies and a diverse range of political opinions raising the same question that requires answering. One fails to see why you think this is a fantasy in my mind unless you have been cocooned from news sources for the last few months or perhaps you are a China Communist Party sycophant who doesn't want to know anything adverse about the country's leadership.

The Guardian sees the WHO's actions as questionable.

https://www.theguardian.com/global-...he-limits-of-whos-health-diplomacy-with-china

The coronavirus lays bare the limits of WHO's health diplomacy with China

Some of those most critical have parsed Xi’s meeting with Tedros – and Xi’s declared hope that the UN body would assess the “epidemic situation in an objective, just, calm and reasonable way” – as pressure from Beijing to ensure WHO would refrain from designating the epidemic a global health emergency to protect China’s economy.

Although that didn’t happen, the WHO’s advice – contrary to that of many governments – is that it still “advises against the application of any restrictions of international traffic based on the information currently available on this event”.

And on this front some are pointing to a startling contradiction: how the UN body has praised the extreme internal travel restrictions in China while criticising other countries for implementing their own travel measures.

From THE HILL

https://thehill.com/opinion/interna...chief-hold-them-both-accountable-for-pandemic

China and the WHO's chief: Hold them both accountable for pandemic

We believe the organization’s director-general, Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, like China’s Xi Jinping, should be held accountable for recklessly managing this deadly pandemic. Tedros apparently turned a blind eye to what happened in Wuhan and the rest of China and, after meeting with Xi in January, has helped China to play down the severity, prevalence and scope of the COVID-19 outbreak.

From the outset, Tedros has defended China despite its gross mismanagement of the highly contagious disease. As the number of cases and the death toll soared, the WHO took months to declare the COVID-19 outbreak as a pandemic, even though it had met the criteria of transmission between people, high fatality rates and worldwide spread.

When President Trump took a critical step to stop the coronavirus at U.S. borders by issuing a travel ban as early as Jan. 31, Tedros said widespread travel bans and restrictions were not needed to stop the outbreak and could “have the effect of increasing fear and stigma, with little public health benefit.” He warned that interfering with transportation and trade could harm efforts to address the crisis, and advised other countries not to follow the U.S. lead.

From OPINDIA

https://www.opindia.com/2020/03/tai...sation-who-coronavirus-human-to-human-spread/

Taiwan wrote to WHO on 31st December asking about human-to-human spread

That Taiwan wrote to the WHO as early as 31st December and till the 14th January, the WHO was maintaining that Coronavirus does not spread human-to-human shows the complicity of WHO in letting China lie its way through unleashing a pandemic on the world.

Lots of more goodies in that article.



 
bellenuit said:
Taiwan wrote to WHO on 31st December asking about human-to-human spread
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Did they?
Taiwan wrote to the WHO before they even knew about the virus, did they?
You are a classic conspiracy theory spreader who does not check facts.
 
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