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Will the "Corona Virus" turn into a worldwide epidemic or fizzle out?

  • Yes

    Votes: 37 49.3%

  • No

    Votes: 9 12.0%

  • Bigger than SARS, but not worldwide epidemic (Black Death/bubonic plague)

    Votes: 25 33.3%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 4 5.3%
  • Total voters
    75
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Smurf1976 said:
Could actually turn out to be a health advantage if we're all locked inside for a few weeks and can't get food.

The body will use up the fat to keep going wont it?
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You didn't seriously mean that did you Smurf ?:rolleyes:

This will never, ever happen in the US or Oz.
Simply speaking our society lives three meals from anarchy. If there was any serious risk of people actually going hungry the guns would be out, the stores would be looted.

Far more likely that as bored people settle into some serious fast food, snacks, boozing and Netflix the pounds pile on.

In a couple on months some people won't be able to get out the doors..:D
 
basilio said:
You didn't seriously mean that did you Smurf ?:rolleyes:

This will never, ever happen in the US or Oz.
Simply speaking our society lives three meals from anarchy. If there was any serious risk of people actually going hungry the guns would be out, the stores would be looted.

Far more likely that as bored people settle into some serious fast food, snacks, boozing and Netflix the pounds pile on.

In a couple on months some people won't be able to get out the doors..:D
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Hey it is Easter season and the eggs are already out.
I noticed Coles had placed the Easter eggs where the toilet paper should be.
Not sure this is a sign that toilet paper is now extinct, or it's the latest hygiene fad.
 
basilio said:
You didn't seriously mean that did you Smurf ?:rolleyes:
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Nah - just trying to be a bit light hearted given everything's so doom and gloom at the moment.

On the subject of which, apparently it's a thing now to put a teddy bear in the window. The idea is about "bear hunts" for young kids to spot them and cheer them up a bit. So if you've got any bears then put them in the windows facing the street is the idea. :xyxthumbs
 
grah33 said:
hopefully no toxic alcohol substance that destroys body tissue
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Hate to give you the bad news but it's the alcohol that kills the virus.

It needs to be 70%+ alcohol to be effective. Whatever else it contains is really just to try and offset the damage the alcohol is doing to your skin etc but it's the strong alcohol that makes it effective.

So as long as it's 70%+ alcohol then it'll do the job. :2twocents
 
moXJO said:
I noticed Coles had placed the Easter eggs where the toilet paper should be.
Not sure this is a sign that toilet paper is now extinct, or it's the latest hygiene fad.
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I'm told that the reasoning is to try and make the stores look less empty.

The thinking being that seeing empty shelves was encouraging panic buying so it was better to put something, anything, on them than to leave them empty.
 

Behind the careful phrasing and cold language of this study is a nightmare vision of what the pandemic could mean globally, especially to the poorest people on the planet.

With bigger households, including the older generations most at risk, and healthcare systems that are far more fragile than those in richer countries, the prospects for developing nations look grim.

Speaking to the scientists while they were preparing the report, it was clear that they were all too aware of the horrific implications of their work.

Originally, the study was meant to be released last week but as each day passed new data emerged which could be added to the model - the computer simulation of the outbreak - to make it more accurate.

It all leads to a stark conclusion: that as the virus spreads, only the most draconian measures will lessen the impact and that the countries least able to protect themselves will be among the hardest hit.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-52055546

https://www.imperial.ac.uk/mrc-global-infectious-disease-analysis/news--wuhan-coronavirus/
 
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moXJO said:
USA!!! USA!!!
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Look I know this is an up lifting thread and I'd hate to put the mockkers on but.... Are any of you guy's doing the math on what's the likely out come of mortality in the US in a week to a fortnight?
And then it gets worse.

Two plus weeks ago I was listening to a Professor from John Hopkins...For those interested, you'd find it. He was talking in he range of over a quarter percentage point of the US population as casualties. The ones you plant, By the time this washes through.
Hard to know what that's going to look like.

But they've saved some good coin by 'nickel and dime'ing' the 'WHO' since the time of Reagan... They'll be able to afford the body bags..
 
moXJO said:
I noticed Coles had placed the Easter eggs where the toilet paper should be.
Not sure this is a sign that toilet paper is now extinct, or it's the latest hygiene fad.
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our local Coles was absolutely chokkas with nappies an baby stuff. not even an allowance or concession that TP or paper towels will return
 
orr said:
Look I know this is an up lifting thread and I'd hate to put the mockkers on but.... Are any of you guy's doing the math on what's the likely out come of mortality in the US in a week to a fortnight?
And then it gets worse.

Two plus weeks ago I was listening to a Professor from John Hopkins...For those interested, you'd find it. He was talking in he range of over a quarter percentage point of the US population as casualties. The ones you plant, By the time this washes through.
Hard to know what that's going to look like.

But they've saved some good coin by 'nickel and dime'ing' the 'WHO' since the time of Reagan... They'll be able to afford the body bags..
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USA!!!
 
Smurf1976 said:
Hate to give you the bad news but it's the alcohol that kills the virus.

It needs to be 70%+ alcohol to be effective. Whatever else it contains is really just to try and offset the damage the alcohol is doing to your skin etc but it's the strong alcohol that makes it effective.

So as long as it's 70%+ alcohol then it'll do the job. :2twocents
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i was thinking of the toxic meth spirits alcohol. can poison body tissue (can go through the skin)
 
for those in need
· From 13 March 2020 to 30 September 2020 (inclusive), new MBS telehealth items are available for services provided to vulnerable people within the community or who are in isolation due to COVID-19, and services provided by providers who are in isolation due to COVID-19, or more susceptible to COVID-19.
· The new items are available to GPs, medical practitioners, nurse practitioners, participating midwives and allied mental health providers.
· The new services must be bulk billed.

As part of the Australian Government’s response to COVID-19, 92 new items have been introduced to provide services to vulnerable people within the community or in suspect cases self-isolation due to COVID-19, and enable provision of services via telehealth where the health professional has or is identified as at risk of COVID-19.

The new items are:

http://www.mbsonline.gov.au/internet/mbsonline/publishing.nsf/Content/Factsheet-TempBB
 
I have read in a couple of places that by far the best is warm soapy water for hand washing.

Apparently the virus molecule is all held together with a lipid which is simply a fat.

As we know soap dissolves fat so a thorough hand wash is actually the cheapest and the best.

Disinfecting surfaces is the best way to clean them, anti bacterial wipes are not so effective as this is a virus not bacteria.
 
Soap and water
Soap and water are your first line of defence to remove the virus from surfaces. Soap interferes with the fats in the virus shell and lift the virus from surfaces and this is then rinsed off by water. Of course, you also need to wash your hands when you come in from the shops and wash your food as normal.

Bleach
The active ingredient in bleach – sodium hypochlorite – is very effective at killing the virus. Make sure you leave the bleach to work for 10-15 minutes then give the surface a wipe with a clean cloth. The bleach works by destroying the protein and what’s known as the ribonucleic acid (RNA) of the virus – this is the substance that gives the blueprint for making more virus particles when you become infected. Be sure to use the bleach as directed on the bottle.

Surgical spirit
Surgical spirit is mostly made up of the alcohol ethanol. Ethanol has been shown to kill coronaviruses in as little as 30 seconds. Like bleach, the alcohol destroys the protein and RNA that the virus is made up of. Moisten a cloth with some neat surgical spirit and rub it over a surface. This will evaporate and you will not need to wipe it off.


Surface wipes
The active ingredient in surface wipes in an antiseptic –- usually benzalkonium chloride. The wipes work by physically removing germs through the pressure you apply when you use them, and the germs then attach to the wipe.

They also leave a layer of the antiseptic on the surface that works to kill germs. The antiseptic works well on bacteria as well as on coronaviruses that infect mice and dogs – but it seems to make no difference to the spread of human coronavirus. Antiseptics work by disrupting the fats in pathogen cells, but SARS-CoV-2 does not contain many fats. So far, there is no evidence that antiseptics can kill human coronaviruses.

Hand sanitisers
A word of warning though about hand sanitisers. The main ingredient in hand sanitisers that will kill SARS-CoV-2 is ethanol, the alcohol in surgical spirit. But its concentration in the sanitiser is very important –- it has to be over 70 % or it will not kill the virus effectively.

One thing you can also do is make sure you air out the spaces you are spending time in regularly. An infected person will produce thousands of tiny droplets which contain the virus every time they cough. SARS-CoV-2 can survive in the air for up to three hours. So by opening the window, you can remove and disperse the droplets and reduce the amount of virus in the air – which will reduce the risk of infection for others.

We are living in uncertain times but it’s reassuring to know that we have some weapons we can use to fight COVID-19 in our homes. The bottom line: keep washing your hands, use 70% hand sanitiser, dust off the bleach and open a window to let in the spring air.
 
moXJO said:
The bottom line: keep washing your hands, use 70% hand sanitiser, dust off the bleach and open a window to let in the spring air.
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I don't disagree with any of the advice as such but I'll add that opening a window is only going to help if there's an infected person around. That is, it's pointless if you're sitting at home by yourself etc.

The great dilemma being that the places where it would be most effective are the very same places where windows are typically not openable. Public transport, supermarkets etc.

Reason for mentioning it that I have visions of everyone leaving the windows open at home, spending a fortune on heating during winter and inviting the burglars in. Sounds silly but apparently in the US pretty much exactly that did happen during the Spanish flu indeed there was a building code change relating to it at the time. :2twocents
 
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