Coronavirus (COVID-19/SARS-CoV-2) outbreak discussion

[mullokintyre]

Australia reached its 1 millionth case of Covid on January 10th.
Today, January 14th, we have hit 1.5 million cases.
At this rate it will take a little over a week to get the next million.
Mick

 

[basilio]

This links to the latest UK data and totally contradicts your link, which only shows infectiousness rather than severity:
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As the above shows a disproportionate number of unvaxxed become severely ill, get hospitalised and, ultimately, die.
On the other hand, those boosted are much less likely than those double vaxxed to get ill etc..
So yet again the real world is very different to your poorly based beliefs.

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That is a critical piece of work Redrob and perhaps Barney might reflect on its totality.

Barney offered a story which only quoted the omicron infections as evidence to undermine the importance of vaccination to protect people from from severe consequences of COVID.

Yes the information was accurate but deliberately deceptive. Omitting the rest of the table which shows the stark difference between the effects of infection on vaxxed vs unvaxxed people undermines their case.

Vaccines are not perfect. Against omicron they are not even that brilliant at preventing infection. However they are doing a job at minimising the effects of COVID. At this stage that is the best we have.

 

[basilio]

Meanwhile this is what is happening to doctors and scientists attempting to encourage people to protect themselves and their family

Gold Coast nurse calls out COVID Twitter trolls over abuse after 6yo daughter's vaccination​

ABC Gold Coast
/ By Alexandria Utting
Posted 3h ago3 hours ago, updated 1h ago1 hours ago

Registered nurse and assistant professor at Bond University Jessica Stokes-Parish.(Supplied)
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A Gold Coast medical educator who was trolled online after sharing a photo of her daughter being vaccinated has called on big tech companies to do more to stop those with "radicalised" views from sharing misinformation.

Key points:​

• A Gold Coast mother and academic is trolled for posting a Tweet about her daughter's vaccination
• Assistant professor and registered nurse Jessica Stokes-Parish says scientists regularly face online abuse
• Dr Stokes-Parish wants tech companies to do more about users with radicalised views

Registered nurse and Bond University assistant professor Jessica Stokes-Parish earlier this week posted to Twitter a picture of her six-year-old daughter after she had received her COVID-19 vaccination, saying: "Long queues but we did it! #VaccinesWork".
But later that day, the tweet went viral with online harassment and bullying in which people attacked her for allowing her daughter to get the jab.
"It was a very innocuous little tweet," Dr Stokes-Parish said.
"My daughter was really excited to show off her band-aid and photo.
"My colleagues saw it and were like, 'So great'."

The Tweet that saw Jessica Stokes-Parish trolled online. (Supplied)
But that night, some Twitter users began labelling Dr Stokes-Parish a "terrible mother" and left other vile comments.
"They were saying that I should be ashamed to be a mother, that this poor child should be taken into child custody away from me because I was inept and disgusting," she said.
"That I was treating her like cattle to be put into a trial, that the child was unfortunate to have me as their mother."
She said some commenters were bots but others were real people.

'Quite overwhelming': Academic calls out COVID trolls for abuse after her 6yo gets vaccine

A Gold Coast registered nurse and academic urges tech companies to do more after she received "hundreds" of abusive comments on a tweet about her daughter getting the jab.

www.abc.net.au

 

[DB008]

Australia reached its 1 millionth case of Covid on January 10th.
Today, January 14th, we have hit 1.5 million cases.
At this rate it will take a little over a week to get the next million.
Mick

At my workplace, multiple people have confirmed RAT test results. It's only a matter of time before we all catch Omicron. It does seem to be very hit and miss though. Some families have had Omicron, but 1 person didn't catch it. Weird.

The Doherty Institute did some modeling back in mid December saying that Australia would reach 200k cases per day, and was widely ridiculed by the mainstream media. No look who has egg on their faces...


Mark McGowan seems to think otherwise - he's in denial. Putting his finger in a crumbing Hoover dam wall thinking he can hold it up. LOL. Idiot. Orange star must be displayed or else, will be the next step for him.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-13/wa-expands-proof-of-vaccination-requirements/100754194

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[Humid]

At my workplace, multiple people have confirmed RAT test results. It's only a matter of time before we all catch Omicron. It does seem to be very hit and miss though. Some families have had Omicron, but 1 person didn't catch it. Weird.

The Doherty Institute did some modeling back in mid December saying that Australia would reach 200k cases per day, and was widely ridiculed by the mainstream media. No look who has egg on their faces...


Mark McGowan seems to think otherwise - he's in denial. Putting his finger in a crumbing Hoover dam wall thinking he can hold it up. LOL. Idiot. Orange star must be displayed or else, will be the next step for him.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-13/wa-expands-proof-of-vaccination-requirements/100754194

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The positive is I wont run into WayneL the anti vaxxer when I'm out

 

[moXJO]

That is a critical piece of work Redrob and perhaps Barney might reflect on its totality.

Barney offered a story which only quoted the omicron infections as evidence to undermine the importance of vaccination to protect people from from severe consequences of COVID.

Yes the information was accurate but deliberately deceptive. Omitting the rest of the table which shows the stark difference between the effects of infection on vaxxed vs unvaxxed people undermines their case.

Vaccines are not perfect. Against omicron they are not even that brilliant at preventing infection. However they are doing a job at minimising the effects of COVID. At this stage that is the best we have.

Is this for delta or omicron?
Because we are currently told 2 shots no longer covers omicron so you are basically unvaccinated. It's important to differentiate between the two.

Rob did say "boosted" so that would be correct in protecting against the current strain. But that is ridiculously time limited.

Is UK still classing any death within 28 days of anyone that had covid in official figures?

 

[moXJO]

had Omicron, but 1 person didn't catch it. Weird.

I know a few people like this. Also a few that were asymptomatic but were unable to taste certain food.
One can now eat world's hottest chillies. They still can taste normal food( didn't lose their sense of taste). Another loved adding salt but can no longer stand the taste of it.

 

[IFocus]

I know a few people like this. Also a few that were asymptomatic but were unable to taste certain food.
One can now eat world's hottest chillies. They still can taste normal food( didn't lose their sense of taste). Another loved adding salt but can no longer stand the taste of it.

There was a line of thought at one stage that losing taste / smell may have been as a result of brain damage caused by COVID anyone heard any more?

 

[Sean K]

Is it possible that he's slept walked into the media conference?

 

[wayneL]

Is it possible that he's slept walked into the media conference?

It's quite hilarious, but also quite sad and quite alarming.

... And perhaps evidence that the American president doesn't actually run the show?

 

[Sean K]

It's quite hilarious, but also quite sad and quite alarming.

... And perhaps evidence that the American president doesn't actually run the show?

There is absolutely no way that he is full compos. What's scarier is the Cackling Kamala is next, and then - give-me-another-vodka-Pelosi. It's an absolute shite show. Makes our clowns look like super heroes.

 

[moXJO]

There was a line of thought at one stage that losing taste / smell may have been as a result of brain damage caused by COVID anyone heard any more?

So it's all pretty speculative as to how it happens. But there was a study that showed decrease in brain volume and another with abnormalities in the brain.

From what I understood at the time, the inflammatory cytokines caused from covid was causing microglia to attack neurons. So the neurons that were oxygen starved (because of covid attacking lungs) , were snotted by the microglia and causing oxygen starvation in parts of the brain (I think that's the theory).

So covid doesn't actually infect your brain it's more the results from what covid causes throughout your body.

The taste loss one was (I think) to do with the supporting cells in the upper nasal and not the smell neurons.


So the brain fog and memory was due to brain damage and the nose thing from supporting cells. I THINK. Don't take that as gospel but I think that's the dumb man's version. I'm not sure either study was peer reviewed or if anything new came along. I read that a couple of months back.

 

[barney]

This links to the latest UK data and totally contradicts your link, which only shows infectiousness rather than severity:

So yet again the real world is very different to your poorly based beliefs.

For Red:

My link was a "web capture" and was apparently a snippet of the same link you have posted, so not so much contradictory, rather not presenting the complete page.

I have read the "Surveillance Report" in previous weeks and it is well presented and interesting.

I find the "Unadjusted Rates per 100,000" is not as easy to read as the "straight out numbers"


For everyone:

Here is another chart below with plain "numbers" so someone can perhaps help me work out how the "unadjusted numbers are calculated with respect to these.

The only premise i am working under is that the United Kingdom vaccine rate at the time were 70%

The Report actually suggests they were up to several percentage points less ... around 65% but I'll shout them a few points.




So we have 70% of the population vaxxed and 30% of the population un-vaxxed

If in fact the vaccinated population is being saved from death at rates suggested by the main stream media,

We should be able to see that Total Deaths of the vaccinated (70% of the population) should be far less than 70% of Total deaths? (logical)

And the 30% of unvaccinated population should in fact represent far more than 30% of Total deaths (logical)

So what do the numbers in the chart below tell us:




Lets just look at the 60-69 year age group (happens to be mine)

Total deaths = 561

70% = 392.7 (Chart/vaxxed = 360 or 381 with dose 1 included) 30% = 168.3 (Chart/unvaxxed = 172)

Almost exact percentage distribution of deaths. ie. No statistical advantage either way



What about the 70-79 age group ...........

Total Deaths = 849

70% = 594.3 (Chart/vaxxed = 617 or 652 with dose 1 added) 30% = 254.7 (Chart/unvaxxed = 184)

The vaccinated faired worse than "break-even"


What about the over 80 year olds:


Total Deaths = 1760


70% = 1232 (Chart/vaxxed = 1406) 30% = 528 (Chart/unvaxxed = 298)


And therein lies the rub as the Bard would suggest. The older you get the more likely that Covid will unfortunately terminate your life, and on the figures presented for the weeks 49-52 it suggests that the vaccines are of no obvious advantage once above the age of 60

There appears to be a statistical advantage for under 60 years old, but the death rates etc are relatively so small that any advantage is negligible.


Make of it what ye will.

 

[barney]

And with the above "real data" in mind, it is no wonder people are starting to get tired of bogus claims such as the following with no real data to back up their propaganda.

For those who like reading fiction here is the link: Its actually so incorrect it sounds almost desperate!
Fiction Reporting

 

[barney]

That is a critical piece of work Redrob and perhaps Barney might reflect on its totality.

Appreciate the previous polite reply Bas.

My above post (2 up) presents the question on how the "unadjusted data" Red showed incorporates the data/chart I presented


Before anyone suggests i just pulled the data from wherever i felt like,

It comes form the same Report that Red quoted and is part of the exact dataset that his Chart represented.


I am very curious how my data fits into the final unadjusted chart because I certainly can't make it fit.

 

[barney]

And just so I don't get accused of cherry picking data, here is the rest which was used in the "unadjusted" conclusion.


Deaths post covid admission 28days You will find the 70%/30% Vaxxed/unvaxxed ratio to calculate is similar to the 60 day death ratios



Plus the "Presenting to ER within 28 days of infection



Plus CASE NUMBERS Anyone who can make those "vaccinated" numbers look good is a far better mathematician than I am

 

[barney]

And finally, From the actual Report itself: (Percentage of population vaccinated)

 

[rederob]

Appreciate the previous polite reply Bas.

My above post (2 up) presents the question on how the "unadjusted data" Red showed incorporates the data/chart I presented


Before anyone suggests i just pulled the data from wherever i felt like,

It comes form the same Report that Red quoted and is part of the exact dataset that his Chart represented.


I am very curious how my data fits into the final unadjusted chart because I certainly can't make it fit.

You don't seem to understand how to use data to come to valid conclusions as demonstrated by your comment on unadjusted data.
I suggest you use correct ratios related to vaccinated individuals in age groups, as you continue to make gross errors in interpretation.

 

[The Triangle]

This guy is quite interesting (not short videos). He's actually someone technical. Not someone pretending to be technical. Don't recall if anyone has posed these links before. Small part about Australia and WA near the start.

 

[Belli]

his guy is quite interesting (not short videos). He's actually someone technical. Not someone pretending to be technical. Don't recall if anyone has posed these links before. Small part about Australia and WA near the start.

Yes, Dr John Campbell PhD (Nurse Education) and has a degree in biology. From the stance of him being an educator he is good to listen to although he can be a bit full on. He has a tendency to stray into virology and other matters which are outside of his field. As he can present information with an appearance of gravitas a number of people view his comments as a given.

That is not necessarily the case.

Dr John Campbell, the BBC, and Ivermectin

Dr John Campbell is a retired nurse who has built up a considerable Youtube following with his almost daily videos on the evolving coron...

allangmiller.blogspot.com

Haven't watched his video's for some time mainly as others in their respective research fields have a wider access and more accurate to information.