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Will the "Corona Virus" turn into a worldwide epidemic or fizzle out?

  • Yes

    Votes: 37 49.3%

  • No

    Votes: 9 12.0%

  • Bigger than SARS, but not worldwide epidemic (Black Death/bubonic plague)

    Votes: 25 33.3%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 4 5.3%
  • Total voters
    75
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The Triangle said:
Worked in Canada years ago. Strange people, never will you see a population so brainwashed by its government(s). Interesting story below. They've more or less said they'll bring in mandatory vaccinations.

nationalpost.com

Quebec plans to hit unvaccinated with a 'significant' tax

The 'health contribution' announced by Premier Legault would become the first such tax in Canada
nationalpost.com nationalpost.com

I've said before I'm vaccinated but I hate these mandatory rules. Maybe make it mandatory if you're over the age of 60. That's about it.
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Garpal Gumnut said:
Canada is about to levy a tax on the unvaccinated.

Quebec to impose health tax on unvaccinated

gg
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Yes, I would agree on the Canadians, quite a bunch of Conformists.

I'm undecided on whether we should boil in oil the un-vaccinated or not. I'm vaccinated and I believe it is a better way to go than "letting it rip", but am of a libertarian/anarchic mindset at the best of times.

I must admit that democracy is il-fitted for dealing with a pandemic.

I also hold oil shares.

gg
 
Garpal Gumnut said:
Yes, I would agree on the Canadians, quite a bunch of Conformists.

I'm undecided on whether we should boil in oil the un-vaccinated or not. I'm vaccinated and I believe it is a better way to go than "letting it rip", but am of a libertarian/anarchic mindset at the best of times.

I must admit that democracy is il-fitted for dealing with a pandemic.

I also hold oil shares.

gg
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I was born in Canada but please don't hold that against me LOL.

As a counterpoint I'm actually undecided whether we should boil the vaccinated in oil or not....

As such it would actually fulfill the elite's depopulation agenda, as well as eliminating those unable to analyse objective data.

But it will probably be pretty lonely here
 
The Triangle said:
www.news.com.au

‘Crisis’: Outrage over surprise RAT move

Anthony Albanese has slammed the Prime Minister for failing to learn from the pandemic after it was revealed the government quietly put out an urgent tender for rapid antigen tests.
www.news.com.au www.news.com.au

...Will the company associated with Julie Bishops family be involved?

www.afr.com

The entrepreneurs riding the rapid test rollercoaster

Some well-known names are meeting Australia’s insatiable demand for rapid coronavirus tests.
www.afr.com www.afr.com
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You betcha.

gg
 
Garpal Gumnut said:
I'm undecided on whether we should boil in oil the un-vaccinated or not.

I also hold oil shares. gg
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Quality each-way punter by the sounds GG:)



I see that @wayneL 's video reference to the Pfizer boss a couple of pages back has been removed due to "copywrite"

Basically the Pfizer Skipper was saying that the vaccine is becoming pretty ineffective over a short time frame

Copy of the Tweet Wayne originally showed below (minus the video)

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I guess he had to toe the line with that revelation given a few recent studies including one printed in the a "Lancet" confirmed similar.

In a nutshell, the vax was very handy against the original Virus

Mildly helpful against Delta compared to being unvaccinated (may get you out of hospital a couple of days earlier than being un-vaxxed)

And any benefit over Omicron (debatable) will last maybe a month!

Not sure how many are keen to be "needled" every month for the indefinite future:oops:


Will try and re-find the study and post link later just in case it proves to be "misinformation" ;)
 
rederob said:
This is about as accurate as your continuing stream of posts falsely claiming Trump won the 2020 election.
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Not so sure about that.

US Senator Roger Marshall M.D. seems to think there is enough validity in the documents to grill Fauci in Congress

Presenting false information in Congress is a criminal offence, although it doesn't seem to affect Fauci's ability to lie.

He does attempt to weasel out of the Senator's question after the clip shown, but very poorly, and very nervously it appeared.

 

UKHSA data dashboard

Overall summary of the respiratory viruses in circulation within the UK
coronavirus.data.gov.uk coronavirus.data.gov.uk

Deaths​

There were 398 deaths within 28 days of a positive test for coronavirus reported on 12 January 2022.
Between 6 January 2022 and 12 January 2022, there have been 1,724 deaths within 28 days of a positive coronavirus test. This shows an increase of 44.3% compared to the previous 7 days.
Most of the UK deaths are middle aged people and not elderly. This is because it is spreading much more slowly into the older population and most elderly have received their third booster injection.
 
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Yeah definitely nothing worth looking at here :nailbiting:

I wonder whether Fauci will continue to lie (of course he will), or perhaps retire and leave the mess to his mate Daszac and crew.
 

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barney said:
In a nutshell, the vax was very handy against the original Virus
Mildly helpful against Delta compared to being unvaccinated (may get you out of hospital a couple of days earlier than being un-vaxxed)
And any benefit over Omicron (debatable) will last maybe a month!
Not sure how many are keen to be "needled" every month for the indefinite future:oops:
Will try and re-find the study and post link later just in case it proves to be "misinformation" ;)
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The Lancet study you quoted related to "transmission", and Omicron is the most contagious of the variants to date.
All the data show that vaccinations reduce severe illness, hospitalisations, and death rates. They are major reasons vaccinations strategies are implemented.
From your quoted link:
"Our findings help to explain how and why the delta variant is being transmitted so effectively in populations with high vaccine coverage. Although current vaccines remain effective at preventing severe disease and deaths from COVID-19, our findings suggest that vaccination alone is not sufficient to prevent all transmission of the delta variant in the household setting, where exposure is close and prolonged. Increasing population immunity via booster programmes and vaccination of teenagers will help to increase the currently limited effect of vaccination on transmission, but our analysis suggests that direct protection of individuals at risk of severe outcomes, via vaccination and non-pharmacological interventions, will remain central to containing the burden of disease caused by the delta variant."​
 
barney said:
Not so sure about that.

US Senator Roger Marshall M.D. seems to think there is enough validity in the documents to grill Fauci in Congress

Presenting false information in Congress is a criminal offence, although it doesn't seem to affect Fauci's ability to lie.

He does attempt to weasel out of the Senator's question after the clip shown, but very poorly, and very nervously it appeared.

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What evidence was presented to show his claims were supported? Exactly none! (see the full exchange below)
Roger Marshall is incompetent and a moron..
Fauci continues to deal with people who simply do not know what they are talking about. It's hard to convince people who believe in something because it's supported by social media rather than facts.

It doesn't seem to matter how many times this issue is debunked as cretins keep coming out of the woodwork.
 
Look at the ABC pushing this agenda.


If my child or I have COVID, when can we get our vaccine or booster shot?​


But based on vaccinology principles, it would be reasonable to consider waiting at least three months after you're well to get your booster dose. A COVID infection stimulates the immune system like a vaccine, meaning you will produce antibodies that help increase your protection against COVID.​

Vaccination can also be deferred for up to six months if preferred, as past infection does reduce the chance of reinfection for at least this amount of time, but there is still much we don't know about the Omicron variant.​




How about NO!

F-Off

I've had Covid, why get the jab after the fact?

In the USA, some common sense.


NCAA releases updated COVID-19 guidance for winter sports​

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For purposes of the winter guidelines, the NCAA COVID-19 Medical Advisory Group has developed a definition of "fully vaccinated" that considers both vaccination status and other immunity factors that may impact risks for Tier 1 individuals, including student-athletes and coaches. Those considered fully vaccinated include people:​

  • Within two months of having completed the primary series of the Johnson & Johnson vaccine (one dose).
  • Within five months of having completed the primary series of the mRNA Pfizer vaccine, or within six months of having completed the primary series of the mRNA Moderna vaccine (two doses for both).
  • Who have received a booster vaccine if they are beyond two months of the Johnson & Johnson vaccine or beyond five or six months of the mRNA Pfizer or Moderna vaccine, respectively.
A person who has had a documented COVID-19 infection in the past 90 days is considered the equivalent of "fully vaccinated."​




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DB008 said:
I've had Covid, why get the jab after the fact?
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Yes, the COVID-19 vaccines are recommended, even if you had COVID-19. At present, evidence from Johns Hopkins Medicine and the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) supports getting a COVID-19 vaccine as the best protection against getting COVID-19, whether you have already had the virus or not.
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The studies supporting the statement are below it and can be found in this link to the article.

www.hopkinsmedicine.org

COVID Natural Immunity: What You Need to Know

Even if you’ve already had COVID-19, getting a coronavirus vaccine is recommended. These are the things you need to know about COVID natural immunity.
www.hopkinsmedicine.org www.hopkinsmedicine.org
 

Having SARS-CoV-2 once confers much greater immunity than a vaccine -​

but vaccination remains vital​


Israelis who had an infection were more protected against the Delta coronavirus variant than those who had an already highly effective COVID-19 vaccine​


The natural immune protection that develops after a SARS-CoV-2 infection offers considerably more of a shield against the Delta variant of the pandemic coronavirus than two doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, according to a large Israeli study that some scientists wish came with a “Don’t try this at home” label. The newly released data show people who once had a SARS-CoV-2 infection were much less likely than never-infected, vaccinated people to get Delta, develop symptoms from it, or become hospitalized with serious COVID-19.​

The study demonstrates the power of the human immune system, but infectious disease experts emphasized that this vaccine and others for COVID-19 nonetheless remain highly protective against severe disease and death. And they caution that intentional infection among unvaccinated people would be extremely risky. “What we don’t want people to say is: ‘All right, I should go out and get infected, I should have an infection party,’” says Michel Nussenzweig, an immunologist at Rockefeller University who researches the immune response to SARS-CoV-2 and was not involved in the study. “Because somebody could die.”​

The researchers also found that people who had SARS-CoV-2 previously and received one dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech messenger RNA (mRNA) vaccine were more highly protected against reinfection than those who once had the virus and were still unvaccinated. The new work could inform discussion of whether previously infected people need to receive both doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine or the similar mRNA vaccine from Moderna. Vaccine mandates don’t necessarily exempt those who had a SARS-CoV-2 infection already and the current U.S. recommendation is that they be fully vaccinated, which means two mRNA doses or one of the Johnson & Johnson adenovirus-based vaccine. Yet one mRNA dose might be enough, some scientists argue. And other countries including Germany, France, Italy, and Israel administer just one vaccine dose to previously infected people.​

The study, conducted in one of the most highly COVID-19–vaccinated countries in the world, examined medical records of tens of thousands of Israelis, charting their infections, symptoms, and hospitalizations between 1 June and 14 August, when the Delta variant predominated in Israel. It’s the largest real-world observational study so far to compare natural and vaccine-induced immunity to SARS-CoV-2, according to its leaders.​

The research impresses Nussenzweig and other scientists who have reviewed a preprint of the results, posted yesterday on medRxiv. “It’s a textbook example of how natural immunity is really better than vaccination,” says Charlotte Thålin, a physician and immunology researcher at Danderyd Hospital and the Karolinska Institute who studies the immune responses to SARS-CoV-2. “To my knowledge, it’s the first time [this] has really been shown in the context of COVID-19.”​


 
Did the head of Pfizer just come out and say you are not protected by double dose at all and "they offer reasonable protection against hospitalisation and deaths – against deaths".

They are currently working on a omicron vaccine. So the third shot might be a waste of time unless you are in the risk category.

Personally I'm done with the vaccines for a bit. And I'm not having my 5 year olds getting jabbed if it's not going to do anything.

I've had omicron as has the family. So I should be right for a while.
 
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