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Will the "Corona Virus" turn into a worldwide epidemic or fizzle out?

  • Yes

    Votes: 37 49.3%

  • No

    Votes: 9 12.0%

  • Bigger than SARS, but not worldwide epidemic (Black Death/bubonic plague)

    Votes: 25 33.3%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 4 5.3%
  • Total voters
    75
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rederob said:
Read what you wrote!
If you are concerned about what's in tweets then put it in an appropriate thread.
That said, what you seem unwilling to grasp is that social media are taking some responsibility for what their platforms contain, and to say they are "in no position" to do that is plain nonsense.
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Read what you wrote?
For heavens sake Rob, talk about Pot kettle black.
I said that Twitter is in no positon to deternine the health content of an AHA post.
I said nothing about the taking responsibility for their platforms.

Mick
 
mullokintyre said:
The American Heart Association has put out a study on the affects of mRna vaccines on one of the indicators for heart disease, the PULS score.
The tweet to it , found HERE has been slapped with a "warning: Link may be unsafe" tab by the medical experts at Twitter.
Not wise to get your medical advice from twitter, nor from the AHA it seems.
Mick
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...and Twitter gets pretty p¹ssed when you try to click on that link too.
 
mullokintyre said:
Read what you wrote?
For heavens sake Rob, talk about Pot kettle black.
I said that Twitter is in no positon to deternine the health content of an AHA post.
I said nothing about the taking responsibility for their platforms.

Mick
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All social media are taking steps to ensure their content is properly described where claims are dubious, and that what Twitter is doing. So on that point you are plain wrong.
The other things you fail on relate to the fact that AHA merely included a contributor's abstract to a presentation to his AHA session on 13 November. The AHA did not "post" anything, and they certainly have not produced any study. However your post clearly suggests it's of AHA's making, which is false.
If your intention was to highlight social media policies then why didn't you post this where it belongs?
 
rederob said:
All social media are taking steps to ensure their content is properly described where claims are dubious, and that what Twitter is doing. So on that point you are plain wrong.
The other things you fail on relate to the fact that AHA merely included a contributor's abstract to a presentation to his AHA session on 13 November. The AHA did not "post" anything, and they certainly have not produced any study. However your post clearly suggests it's of AHA's making, which is false.
If your intention was to highlight social media policies then why didn't you post this where it belongs?
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What utter garbage.
Do you ever read twitter or Facebook?
Its chock full of absolute drivel ass well as downright lies.
The fact that Twitter blocks the POTUS, but allows the Taliban to twit says it all.
Ya still full of it.
Mick
 
mullokintyre said:
What utter garbage.
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You know you are wrong, but still insist otherwise!
mullokintyre said:
Do you ever read twitter or Facebook?
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Irrelevant to the facts - see above links.
mullokintyre said:
Its chock full of absolute drivel ass well as downright lies.
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So what? When false attributions to AHA endorsement are made it gets a bit more serious than the typical dross of Twitter and Facebook, especially as the intention is to cast aspersions on the benefit of vaccinations. The average reader can work this out.
mullokintyre said:
The fact that Twitter blocks the POTUS, but allows the Taliban to twit says it all.
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Your logic is deficient. Trump's lies after the fact led to serious injuries and deaths at the Capitol, and he still has tens of millions believing he won the election.
 
rederob said:
You know you are wrong, but still insist otherwise!

Irrelevant to the facts - see above links.

So what? When false attributions to AHA endorsement are made it gets a bit more serious than the typical dross of Twitter and Facebook, especially as the intention is to cast aspersions on the benefit of vaccinations. The average reader can work this out.

Your logic is deficient. Trump's lies after the fact led to serious injuries and deaths at the Capitol, and he still has tens of millions believing he won the election.
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Blah blah blah.
 
mullokintyre said:
Blah blah blah.
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This one Mick ? from here

Abstract 10712: Mrna COVID Vaccines Dramatically Increase Endothelial Inflammatory Markers and ACS Risk as Measured by the PULS Cardiac Test: a Warning

Our group has been using the PLUS Cardiac Test (GD Biosciences, Inc, Irvine, CA) a clinically validated measurement of multiple protein biomarkers which generates a score predicting the 5 yr risk (pe
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Arteriosclerosis, Thrombosis, Vascular Biology​

Session Title: Damps, Infection and Cardiovascular Metabolism​

Abstract 10712: Mrna COVID Vaccines Dramatically Increase Endothelial Inflammatory Markers and ACS Risk as Measured by the PULS Cardiac Test: a Warning​


Steven R Gundry

Originally published8 Nov 2021Circulation. 2021;144:A10712

Abstract​

Our group has been using the PLUS Cardiac Test (GD Biosciences, Inc, Irvine, CA) a clinically validated measurement of multiple protein biomarkers which generates a score predicting the 5 yr risk (percentage chance) of a new Acute Coronary Syndrome (ACS). The score is based on changes from the norm of multiple protein biomarkers including IL-16, a proinflammatory cytokine, soluble Fas, an inducer of apoptosis, and Hepatocyte Growth Factor (HGF)which serves as a marker for chemotaxis of T-cells into epithelium and cardiac tissue, among other markers. Elevation above the norm increases the PULS score, while decreases below the norm lowers the PULS score.The score has been measured every 3-6 months in our patient population for 8 years. Recently, with the advent of the mRNA COVID 19 vaccines (vac) by Moderna and Pfizer, dramatic changes in the PULS score became apparent in most patients.This report summarizes those results. A total of 566 pts, aged 28 to 97, M:F ratio 1:1 seen in a preventive cardiology practice had a new PULS test drawn from 2 to 10 weeks following the 2nd COVID shot and was compared to the previous PULS score drawn 3 to 5 months previously pre- shot. Baseline IL-16 increased from 35=/-20 above the norm to 82 =/- 75 above the norm post-vac; sFas increased from 22+/- 15 above the norm to 46=/-24 above the norm post-vac; HGF increased from 42+/-12 above the norm to 86+/-31 above the norm post-vac. These changes resulted in an increase of the PULS score from 11% 5 yr ACS risk to 25% 5 yr ACS risk. At the time of this report, these changes persist for at least 2.5 months post second dose of vac.We conclude that the mRNA vacs dramatically increase inflammation on the endothelium and T cell infiltration of cardiac muscle and may account for the observations of increased thrombosis, cardiomyopathy, and other vascular events following vaccination.
 
moXJO said:
Are face masks biodegradable?
These things are bloody everywhere. What's the point of banning straws and replacing it with disposable masks every damn where.
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Exactly!!!

These things are causing all sorts of problems.
 
moXJO said:
Are face masks biodegradable?
These things are bloody everywhere. What's the point of banning straws and replacing it with disposable masks every damn where.
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My 3-layer cotton face mask with a filter is washable and now well over a year old. It's way more comfortable and safer than the disposables, and the pattern on it makes it less sterile to look at.
So if you are worries about disposable face masks, choose a much better alternative.
 
I think QLD is going to be going into lockdown soon. If we had been able to get some form of natural immunity, l think we would be in such a better position. I spoke to a sub-contractor at work and he contracted Covid-19 last year while working in PNG. He didn't even know he had it, only through a covid test did he find out he had anti-bodies.
 
rederob said:
My 3-layer cotton face mask with a filter is washable and now well over a year old. It's way more comfortable and safer than the disposables, and the pattern on it makes it less sterile to look at.
So if you are worries about disposable face masks, choose a much better alternative.
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I own two masks that have lasted just fine. I also wouldn't throw disposables on the ground and litter. But these things are all over the place. A lot have the plastic on the nose strip.
 
NSW Police prosecutor speaks out about Vax injuries and deaths

"Stephen Kelly is a 28 year police veteran who has spent the majority of his career in the Coronial Law Unit assisting the Coroner with inquests. He has an excellent understanding of medical practice and the law."

 
mullokintyre said:
I would put more credence on it if the scientists or doctors were speaking, but lawyers?
I rank them down with politicians and lobbyists on the scale of credibility.
Mick
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Well you sort of need lawyers to bring actions such as these. I strongly doubt anything will come of it anytime soon, but I find it interesting that the Nuremberg 2.0 idea is gaining traction.
 
wayneL said:
Well you sort of need lawyers to bring actions such as these. I strongly doubt anything will come of it anytime soon, but I find it interesting that the Nuremberg 2.0 idea is gaining traction.
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Unfortunately, the traction is not where it counts.
There are too many governments, qangoes, and NGO's all singing rom the same song sheet.
It will struggle to get beyond the fringes.
Mick
 
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