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Will the "Corona Virus" turn into a worldwide epidemic or fizzle out?

  • Yes

    Votes: 37 49.3%

  • No

    Votes: 9 12.0%

  • Bigger than SARS, but not worldwide epidemic (Black Death/bubonic plague)

    Votes: 25 33.3%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 4 5.3%
  • Total voters
    75
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heard a neat story this afternoon.
Not sure if its true, may well be another "suburban myth".
According to this person , a certain ice addict was being paid 300 a time to take another persons medicare card into the vaccination clinic get the jab, and the vax certificate sent to the medicare mygov app for the person on the card who was then recorded as having been fully vaxed without ever having had the jab. Great for those anti vaxers!
The addict was supposed to have made thousands, and had numerous doses.
However, I thought that at these pop up clinics you would need to provide ID as well as a medicare card.
Not sure if I had to provide ID when I got my jab, because it was at my local GP.
Mick
 
moXJO said:
Interesting to note pfizer apparently said: "vaccine in 100 days".

Do we know enough to jab again. Seems like fear mongering at this stage
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They are just being overly cautious. Until they know more, closing the borders is the safest choice to make.
 
bellenuit said:
They are just being overly cautious. Until they know more, closing the borders is the safest choice to make.
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A lot of question marks as of now. It's apparently more contagious. But the rest is still being investigated.

If the symptoms are mild they will let it rip.
 
moXJO said:
A lot of question marks as of now. It's apparently more contagious. But the rest is still being investigated.

If the symptoms are mild they will let it rip.
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My understanding is there are advantages in letting it rip if the symptoms are mild, particularly if it is more infectious than the other variants. It can dominate new infections, in effect closing out the less infectious but more deadly other strains. By spreading quickly it will provide a degree of natural immunity without the risks from acquiring natural immunity from the other more dangerous variants.
 
bellenuit said:
My understanding is there are advantages in letting it rip if the symptoms are mild, particularly if it is more infectious than the other variants. It can dominate new infections, in effect closing out the less infectious but more deadly other strains. By spreading quickly it will provide a degree of natural immunity without the risks from acquiring natural immunity from the other more dangerous variants.
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With lockdown fatigue where it is, let's pray for good news to a terrible year.
 
It would be great if in fact Omicron proves to be a mild version of COVID which effectively crowds out other versions. I noticed that the two infected travellers in NSW were fully vaccinated and asymptomatic. In effect this would be the Cow pox vs Smallpox example where milkmaids who picked up Cowpox from their animals didn't get the deadly smallpox illness.

The challenging possibility is that vaccinated people may be protected from serious illness but unvaccinated people may not.

www.abc.net.au

Australia's first cases of Omicron COVID-19 strain detected in Sydney travellers

NSW Health confirms two returned travellers have tested positive for the new Omicron COVID-19 variant in Sydney, making them the first known cases in the country.
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If we wanted to let Omicron rip it has had a flying start in Sydney. One of the infected persons visited a arm long list of places before she became aware she had the strain. Given how infectious it seems to be this is problematical.

The woman, who is fully vaccinated, arrived in Sydney on flight QR908 from Doha and travelled by private car to the Central Coast.

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Anyone who was on the flight is considered a close contact and will need to get tested immediately for COVID-19 and isolate for 14 days, regardless of their vaccination status.

Anyone who attended these venues in Parramatta and on the Central Coast at the following times is a casual contact who must immediately get tested and isolate until a negative result is received.

Friday, November 26:

  • Coles Top Ryde, Ryde (9:30am to 10:45am)
  • Target at Westfield Parramatta (10:45am to 11am)
  • H&M at Westfield Parramatta (11am to 11:15am)
  • Athlete's Foot at Westfield Parramatta (11:15am to 11:30am)
  • JD Sports at Westfield Parramatta (11:15am to 12pm)
  • Rebel Sports at Westfield Parramatta (12pm to 12:45pm)
  • IGA North Wyong (6:15pm to 7pm)
  • Pizza Hut Wyong (7pm – 7:15pm)
  • KFC North Wyong (7:15pm to 7:30pm)
  • Woolworths Wadalba (7.30pm to 8:15pm)
Saturday, November 27:

  • Aldi Toukley (4:45pm to 5:45pm)
www.abc.net.au

New Omicron case visited shops, fast food outlets in Sydney and Central Coast

NSW Health confirms a traveller from southern Africa who visited shops across Sydney before isolating in the Central Coast has been infected with the Omicron COVID-19 variant.
www.abc.net.au www.abc.net.au
 
Fully vaccinated and caught it easy. Makes you wonder if it will simply slip past the vaccine. She didn't seem to have symptoms though so it might be a positive.
 
Powerful story on The Guardian about a fitness fanatic who died from COVID. Delves into effect of anti vaxxers on peoples minds and the disruption to families when these conversations come up. Also some very intriguing medical information on why John suffered and died with COVID.

www.theguardian.com

The life and tragic death of John Eyers – a fitness fanatic who refused the vaccine

He did triathlons, bodybuilding and mountain climbing and became sceptical of the Covid jab. Then, at 42, he contracted the virus
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I've been trying to highlight this to people since I heard about this problem last year. I believe economists might call this an externality. I call it @#£&ing criminal.

 

Nearer My Lord to Thee..​

Co-founder of Christian TV network that railed against vaccines dies of Covid-19​

Marcus Lamb, 64, whose Daystar network reaches an estimated 2 billion viewers worldwide, had pushed alternative therapies

...Last month Lamb’s son Jonathan said that his father’s illness was due to sinister outside forces.

“There’s no doubt in my mind that this is a spiritual attack from the enemy,” he said, adding that Lamb has pushed alternative therapies and that “there’s no doubt that the enemy is not happy about that. And he’s doing everything he can to take down my Dad.”

www.theguardian.com

Co-founder of Christian TV network that railed against vaccines dies of Covid-19

Marcus Lamb, 64, whose Daystar network reaches an estimated 2 billion viewers worldwide, had pushed alternative therapies
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
 
wayneL said:
I've been trying to highlight this to people since I heard about this problem last year. I believe economists might call this an externality. I call it @#£&ing criminal.

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The setting aside of surgery or inability to see/treat patients was raised as a health issue from the outset of the pandemic, and was a major reason Australian States/Territories adopted the hard line they did, and continue with.
Despite your stream of posts likening covid to a bad flu, it near-collapsed many national health systems and has had inevitable consequences.
Why you think you were the only one who knew this would happen is a mystery only to you.
 
The American Heart Association has put out a study on the affects of mRna vaccines on one of the indicators for heart disease, the PULS score.
The tweet to it , found HERE has been slapped with a "warning: Link may be unsafe" tab by the medical experts at Twitter.
Not wise to get your medical advice from twitter, nor from the AHA it seems.
Mick
 
mullokintyre said:
The American Heart Association has put out a study ...
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They did NOT.
They published an "abstract" to a presentation by a former heart surgeon turned salesman.
I can't find a medical science paper with any further information. However, what Gundry found was that the mRNA vaccinations increase inflammation on the endothelium and T cell infiltration of the cardiac muscle and may account for the observations of increased thrombosis, cardiomyopathy, and other vascular events following vaccination. He may well be right as something has to cause these known effects. What we have not seen are the effects translating into traceable deaths.
 
rederob said:
They did NOT.
They published an "abstract" to a presentation by a former heart surgeon turned salesman.
I can't find a medical science paper with any further information. However, what Gundry found was that the mRNA vaccinations increase inflammation on the endothelium and T cell infiltration of the cardiac muscle and may account for the observations of increased thrombosis, cardiomyopathy, and other vascular events following vaccination. He may well be right as something has to cause these known effects. What we have not seen are the effects translating into traceable deaths.
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As usual, you go off on a tangent.
The post was about Twitter and its warnings .
Twitter is in no position to determine what the AHA has published requires a warning.

Mick
 
mullokintyre said:
As usual, you go off on a tangent.
The post was about Twitter and its warnings .
Twitter is in no position to determine what the AHA has published requires a warning.

Mick
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Read what you wrote!
If you are concerned about what's in tweets then put it in an appropriate thread.
That said, what you seem unwilling to grasp is that social media are taking some responsibility for what their platforms contain, and to say they are "in no position" to do that is plain nonsense.
 
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