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Will the "Corona Virus" turn into a worldwide epidemic or fizzle out?

  • Yes

    Votes: 37 49.3%

  • No

    Votes: 9 12.0%

  • Bigger than SARS, but not worldwide epidemic (Black Death/bubonic plague)

    Votes: 25 33.3%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 4 5.3%
  • Total voters
    75
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Belli said:
Start here. It holds a clue across all jurisdictions. Essentially it's about money for infrastructure and employing health staff. You could build a 500 bed acute care teaching hospital (it costs about $1m per bed by the way) but if I haven't got the staff and the funds to pay them it'll sit empty.

www.aihw.gov.au

Spending on hospitals

Spending on hospitals page on the Australian Institute of Health and Welfare website
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Think I mentioned to SP before an insider told me WA has the space to put beds (which surprised me) but not the staff money was allocated in the budget for an extra 1000 nurses (training will take time) but I guess they will also need specialists and doctors COVID has been an issue for WA gov with the restrictions hampering overseas employment.

I was in a hospital today dropping off and picking up, huge amount of the nurses were from overseas who I was told were fantastic.

BTW Belli that's a fair wack of money eh.
 
moXJO said:
Didn't everywhere just fire a bunch of teachers and nurses for being unvaccinated and now hospitals and schools are complaining of no staff?
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Yep, I mentioned this in the "economic consequences" thread - the democrats are in a real bind as all the people who do the stuff that actually keeps society functioning have given them the middle finger.

It's been a giant game of chicken and the plebs have stood their ground so now the democrats have no idea what to do and the republicans are making huge political hay out of it.

It's kind of absurd just how much the democrats have f**ked this up really as the fact that they're "mandated" is 3/4 of the reason why people aren't taking them. The second they mandated them is the second hundreds of thousands of people said they won't take them just on principle.

They would have actually gotten more people vaccinated if they DIDN'T mandate them.


Justin trudeau meanwhile has doubled down on it all and is now trying to jail people for not taking it.
 
over9k said:
Yep, I mentioned this in the "economic consequences" thread - the democrats are in a real bind as all the people who do the stuff that actually keeps society functioning have given them the middle finger.

It's been a giant game of chicken and the plebs have stood their ground so now the democrats have no idea what to do and the republicans are making huge political hay out of it.

It's kind of absurd just how much the democrats have f**ked this up really as the fact that they're "mandated" is 3/4 of the reason why people aren't taking them. The second they mandated them is the second hundreds of thousands of people said they won't take them just on principle.

They would have actually gotten more people vaccinated if they DIDN'T mandate them.


Justin trudeau meanwhile has doubled down on it all and is now trying to jail people for not taking it.
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There is a reason this book has sold out. And I think there is worse yet to come... Much worse.

The choice is to be either a sheeple or to pick a hill to die on.

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over9k said:
Yep, I mentioned this in the "economic consequences" thread - the democrats are in a real bind as all the people who do the stuff that actually keeps society functioning have given them the middle finger.

It's been a giant game of chicken and the plebs have stood their ground so now the democrats have no idea what to do and the republicans are making huge political hay out of it.

It's kind of absurd just how much the democrats have f**ked this up really as the fact that they're "mandated" is 3/4 of the reason why people aren't taking them. The second they mandated them is the second hundreds of thousands of people said they won't take them just on principle.

They would have actually gotten more people vaccinated if they DIDN'T mandate them.


Justin trudeau meanwhile has doubled down on it all and is now trying to jail people for not taking it.
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It's moving into some strange (totalitarian) territory.
 
The problem is that there's so many SJW's that actually genuinely agree with trudeau that whatever happens will not be plebs vs elites but rather plebs vs useful idiots who are inadvertently helping all the elites plebs.

I don't know what's going to happen but it's also abundantly clear that things are not getting better as time goes on. Whether the idiots will ever admit that they've been had (probably not) is another question.
 
moXJO said:
Didn't everywhere just fire a bunch of teachers and nurses for being unvaccinated and now hospitals and schools are complaining of no staff?
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WA had major shortages long before the mandate stuff even though the number here are a small percentage it wont help I think there is possibly a bigger problem in mining a lot of underground guys I talk to seem up in arms about it but when push comes to shove doubt these guys will walk from $200k plus.
 
IFocus said:
...doubt these guys will walk from $200k plus.
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Well there is a chronic undersupply in my trade... And you can even go home to mrs every night, no fifo.

I've just increased my prices 25% and I still have nearly 100 messages that I haven't managed to answer yet.

Mind you you need a set of cajonies and there is a pain barrier you have to work through (which explains the undersupply)
 
IFocus said:
BTW Belli that's a fair wack of money eh.
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It is but the issue is still fundamentally funding. When I was involved in the numbers (many years ago I might add) approximately 70%+ of the cost was staffing (15% consumables, 15% power, etc) and I understand that ratio hasn't changed very much at all. As always, hospitals are not allocated an unlimited amount of funds. Normal situation of the demand being infinite but the resources are not. So the head honchos are always balancing the money v staff numbers.

Again AIHW on the numbers in the health professions (to 2018.) While the increases may seem large it isn't when demand for health is considered. Staffing turn over is bloody high in some areas too which tends to crash efficiency.

www.aihw.gov.au

Health workforce

The health workforce in Australia is large and diverse, covering many occupations. These include health practitioners registered with the Australian Health Practitioner Regulation Agency (Ahpra) as...
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over9k said:
The problem is that there's so many SJW's that actually genuinely agree with trudeau that whatever happens will not be plebs vs elites but rather plebs vs useful idiots who are inadvertently helping all the elites plebs.

I don't know what's going to happen but it's also abundantly clear that things are not getting better as time goes on. Whether the idiots will ever admit that they've been had (probably not) is another question.
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You can see how Hitler or Stalin got popular. Find an enemy to blame it on, which seems to currently be the unvaccinated. Have "educated" idiots spout support over social media.

Trudeau is such a sht stain. But Canada ate it up.
 
moXJO said:
You can see how Hitler or Stalin got popular. Find an enemy to blame it on, which seems to currently be the unvaccinated. Have "educated" idiots spout support over social media.

Trudeau is such a sht stain. But Canada ate it up.
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Talking to the normal canadians, apparently the "conservatives" in canada are beyond awful. Like, indescribably so. Like the tories in the U.K.

So it's terrible vs mental and mental won.
 
over9k said:
Talking to the normal canadians, apparently the "conservatives" in canada are beyond awful. Like, indescribably so. Like the tories in the U.K.

So it's terrible vs mental and mental won.
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In what way other conservatives terrible?
 
wayneL said:
In what way other conservatives terrible?
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They're 9/10ths SJW's but top that last 10% up with corruption, regulatory stacking of the deck for real estate developers, cuts in workplace standards of both safety and pay, would burn a state library to the ground and sell their own children into slavery if doing so would make them $12, so on and so forth.

Essentially joe hockey in party form.
 
wayneL said:
Well there is a chronic undersupply in my trade... And you can even go home to mrs every night, no fifo.

I've just increased my prices 25% and I still have nearly 100 messages that I haven't managed to answer yet.

Mind you you need a set of cajonies and there is a pain barrier you have to work through (which explains the undersupply)
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Yeah used to watch farriers at family's farm made a mental at the time clever skilful craft but worked far to hard for me.
 
Belli said:
It is but the issue is still fundamentally funding. When I was involved in the numbers (many years ago I might add) approximately 70%+ of the cost was staffing (15% consumables, 15% power, etc) and I understand that ratio hasn't changed very much at all. As always, hospitals are not allocated an unlimited amount of funds. Normal situation of the demand being infinite but the resources are not. So the head honchos are always balancing the money v staff numbers.

Again AIHW on the numbers in the health professions (to 2018.) While the increases may seem large it isn't when demand for health is considered. Staffing turn over is bloody high in some areas too which tends to crash efficiency.

www.aihw.gov.au

Health workforce

The health workforce in Australia is large and diverse, covering many occupations. These include health practitioners registered with the Australian Health Practitioner Regulation Agency (Ahpra) as...
www.aihw.gov.au www.aihw.gov.au
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Turn over kills skill levels also any time I visit hospitals staff no matter who all seem under pressure and not enough of them.
 
over9k said:
Talking to the normal canadians, apparently the "conservatives" in canada are beyond awful. Like, indescribably so. Like the tories in the U.K.

So it's terrible vs mental and mental won.
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Does it scare you that this is probably where we end up:roflmao:
 
IFocus said:
WA had major shortages long before the mandate stuff even though the number here are a small percentage it wont help I think there is possibly a bigger problem in mining a lot of underground guys I talk to seem up in arms about it but when push comes to shove doubt these guys will walk from $200k plus.
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Yeah I don't get the angst if you work underground. Of all the things you are going to die from vaccines are way down the bottom of the list.
 
Report from Michigan....

Michigan hospitals in crisis with record number of COVID-19 patients: "We don’t have room for furniture anymore."​


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Michigan hospitals in crisis with record number of COVID-19 patients: "We don’t have room for furniture anymore."

Doctors say the surge in COVID-19 patients is being driven by the unvaccinated, and increasingly affects all types of care.
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Medical experts warn that the 44% of people in Michigan who remain unvaccinated are putting not only themselves at risk, but increasingly, their entire community.

In recent weeks, as the number of coronavirus patients spiked, hospitals began publishing updates on how many of those patients had been vaccinated. At Spectrum Health in West Michigan earlier this week, 86% of people hospitalized with COVID were unvaccinated, according to the hospital system. At Henry Ford Health System, in Southeast Michigan, 78% of COVID inpatients were unvaccinated. At Bronson Healthcare, in Southwest Michigan, the number is at 59% as of Wednesday.

Doctors have pleaded with increasing urgency for anyone who hesitated before to get the shot now, if not for themselves, then to help lessen the onslaught of patients crowding hospitals.

“I want to stress that this is a health care capacity crisis, not just a COVID crisis,” said Dr. Scott Gibson, an emergency department physician at Bronson’s Kalamazoo hospital during a briefing yesterday that was streamed online by WWMT-TV.
 
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