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I think you missed the point.
With all the vaccinations throughout the world, a better treatment regime, and with two months of the year to go, the deaths are significantly higher.
The point I was trying to make is that despite all the vaccines, the lockdowns, the masks, the improved care, the new treatment regimes etc,Again, it is you who is missing the point. You are comparing almost 11 months of the current year against 9 months of the last year. It was end of March last year that the virus started to spread as is obvious from the graph. So first compare apples with apples. It is also clear if you take similar time durations, 1st March to December 31st last year compared to 1st January to Sept 30th this year, the cumulative death toll this year is similar if not less, not significantly higher.
If it gets into Africa, there could be problems, HIV is still pretty rampant there from what I've read.
COVID-19 variant described as 'worst one yet' emerges in South Africa, prompting UK to ban travel from six countries
Key points:
- The variant contains a different spike protein to the one vaccines were based on
- Scientists say its mutations could make it more infectious
- The UK has temporarily banned flights from South Africa and five other countries
New COVID-19 variant described as 'worst one yet' emerges in South Africa
Britain bans travellers from six countries as scientists identify a new coronavirus variant they say has mutations likely to make it more infectious and resistant to vaccines.www.abc.net.au
The thing is SP, this is not the first time "they" have jumped the shark with regards to coronavirus mutations.Back at the beginning of this thread we said the virus could morph into something ugly, if it got a hold in Africa.
It sounds as though it is happening.
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Today 26/11/2021
A new COVID variant has emerged in South Africa. Cross fingers and toes that it hasn't broken out of Africa (or Hong Kong) yet.
The point I was trying to make is that despite all the vaccines, the lockdowns, the masks, the improved care, the new treatment regimes etc,
the toll is not going down. There are also some 48 million Americans who caught the virus.
Those who survived, around 47.3 million, will have had some form of immunity as well.
If you look at he table of data for countries, none have managed to reduce the incidence.
Mick
I don't disagree with you, also I really was reluctant to get the vaccine, however if this virus picks up a nasty mutation that increases the mortality rate, then we aren't talking about the same virus.The thing is SP, this is not the first time "they" have jumped the shark with regards to coronavirus mutations.
As it happens I have a client originally from Botswana who actually works in the medical field, and still has family over there. A couple of phone calls revealed (in her family members opinion at least) that it has been blown out of all proportion.
And we have been here before with with a few other Greek letters.
I think it would pay to take a few steps back and view this with some healthy cynicism.... And I would encourage folks to read my post above also.
That can happen with any virus though... and assuming these new mutations are as radical as represented, the injections are probably useless against it anyway.I don't disagree with you, also I really was reluctant to get the vaccine, however if this virus picks up a nasty mutation that increases the mortality rate, then we aren't talking about the same virus.
The original strain was having very low death rate and it was really only affecting the elderly, or those with underlying respiratory issues.
The worldwide response appeared overblown or under explained, now with the new outbreaks in areas of the world that have high vaccination rates, it is becoming obvious either the immunity is waning or the vaccine is no longer effective as the virus changes.
The one thing that was blantantly obvious from the beginning was, it is highly contagious, if the fatality rate can be increased well it could be a game changer.
Say it picks up the testse virus I think there are about 200 strains, or the HIV virus and is as contagious as covid 19, well it will be interesting to say the least. Long covid will be the least of peoples problems, long HIV or long Tsetse fever would really be a pain in the butt.
The U.K has already shut its borders to flights from Africa, it wouldn't surprise me to see that many countries will follow suit.
UK bans travel to South Africa over new Covid variant
The UK government has placed South Africa and five other countries onto its travel ‘red list’ following the emergence of a new Covid-19 variant in Southern Africa.businesstech.co.za
The wife and I had the vaccine because we want to get back into travelling, we are getting time poorThat can happen with any virus though... and assuming these new mutations are as radical as represented, the injections are probably useless against it anyway.
One thing is for sure that if they try the whole lockdown cycle again, they are going to have to declare martial law, because we the people are not going to tolerate it without being threatened by a large, armed military presence.
I have my own hypothesis about this new strain, but will just stfu about it for now.
The first claim incorrect and the second point is cherry picking. The IFR varies in the range of 0.5% to 1.0% based on global data.Overview
Lethality: According to the latest immunological studies, the overall infection fatality rate (IFR) of covid in the general population is about 0.1% to 0.5% in most countries, which is most closely comparable to the medium influenza pandemics of 1936, 1957 and 1968.
May be true - not enough data and there are many different vaccines in use. But where is the sense in choosing a path more likely to lead to hospitalisation or death?A prior infection generally confers superior immunity compared to vaccination.
This is in part a legacy issue. Delta has changed the mix, eg in India 35% of the deaths were recorded in the age group of 45-60 years. It is a false premise to assume your age or health makes you bullet proof.Age profile: The median age of covid deaths is over 80 years in most Western countries (78 in the US) and about 5% of the deceased had no serious preconditions.
This is false and based on the trivial fact that age is significantly proportional to death. Excess death rates give the lie to this misconception.The age and risk profile of covid mortality is therefore comparable to normal mortality, but increases it proportionally.
Possibly true, but based on a guess. Not everyone who died was tested for covid, and this also became a big issue in New York State when covid ravaged in 2020.Nursing homes: In many Western countries, about 50% of all covid deaths have occurred in nursing homes, which require targeted and humane protection. In some cases, care home residents died not from the coronavirus, but from weeks of stress and isolation.
No data to support this latter claim. In fact covid deaths may be higher due to misclassifications, while in some cases non-covid deaths can be attributed to hospital overload from covid patients preventing illnesses being diagnosed, or critical care and surgeries being timely.Excess mortality: Overall, the pandemic has increased mortality by 5% to 25% in most Western countries. In some countries, up to 30% of additional deaths have been caused not by covid, but by indirect effects of the pandemic and lockdowns (including drug overdose deaths).
Currently in Australia just over 4% of active cases are hospitalised, with 0.6% in ICU. If you think this is in any way comparable to seasonal flu then you are delusional. Luckily Australia has a very low case count as if we got to US percentages our hospitals would be overrun.Overall, about 95% of all people develop at most mild or moderate symptoms and do not require hospitalization.
These are completely BS claims. The reason masks are mandated is due to proven effectiveness.Masks: There is still little to no scientific evidence for the effectiveness of face masks in the general population, and the introduction of mandatory masks couldn’t contain or slow the epidemic in most countries. If used improperly, masks may increase the risk of infection.
You won't convince people in WA, SA, Qld, or Tas that this is true. Compliance in NSW was a major factor in getting numbers to manageable levels.Lockdowns: In contrast to early border controls, lockdowns have had no significant effect on the pandemic.
This chestnut needs to be taken with a pinch of salt. All other Nordic nations did better.Sweden: In Sweden, covid mortality in 2020, without lockdown, was comparable to a strong influenza season and somewhat below the EU average. About 50% of Swedish deaths occurred in nursing homes and the median age of Swedish covid deaths was about 84 years.
Whereas this link would have you believe covid is a bit like the flu.Media: The reporting of many media has been unprofessional, has increased fear and panic in the population and has led to a hundredfold overestimation of the lethality of the coronavirus.
This is BS. The best evidence suggests an intermediary of unknown origin.Virus origin: The origin of the new coronavirus remains unknown, but the best evidence currently points to a covid-like pneumonia incident in a Chinese mine in 2012, whose virus samples were collected, stored and researched by the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV). Due to cooperations, some US labs may also have had access to these viruses.
This is where the link shows its true colours. Covid is a global pandemic which to date has affected a very small proportion of the population. Vaccines are an imperfect panacea. Anyone doubting this can look at how high rates of vaccination in Gibraltar have led to extremely low death rates. Governments have a key role in protecting the lives of its citizens, so in the absence of a silver bullet it makes sense to prioritise vaccinations and the vaccinated over those who choose a different path.Surveillance: NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden warned that the coronavirus pandemic may be used to expand global surveillance. Many governments have restricted fundamental rights of their citizens and announced plans to introduce digital biometric vaccine passports.
Well what do you know, get ready to batten down the hatches. ?The U.K has already shut its borders to flights from Africa, it wouldn't surprise me to see that many countries will follow suit.
UK bans travel to South Africa over new Covid variant
The UK government has placed South Africa and five other countries onto its travel ‘red list’ following the emergence of a new Covid-19 variant in Southern Africa.businesstech.co.za
Well what do you know, get ready to batten down the hatches. ?
Australian health authorities won’t hesitate to shut border to South Africa
Health Minister Greg Hunt said the country would not hesitate to block flights from South Africa if health experts are concerned about the new coronavirus variant.www.smh.com.au
Border closures are being lifted as vaccination rates increase..... Rinse... Repeat...
Until people wake the fark up.
COVID-19 variant described as 'worst one yet' emerges in South Africa, prompting UK to ban travel from six countries
To date most people have followed the advice of doctors and scientists who have extensive understanding of the COVID virus and how it has affected people. We have also watched how COVID to date has ravaged communities around the world so these are facts on the ground.Depends where you get your news from l guess.
32 mutations in the spike protein. Interesting.
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