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Will the "Corona Virus" turn into a worldwide epidemic or fizzle out?

  • Yes

    Votes: 37 49.3%

  • No

    Votes: 9 12.0%

  • Bigger than SARS, but not worldwide epidemic (Black Death/bubonic plague)

    Votes: 25 33.3%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 4 5.3%
  • Total voters
    75
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Well I think the most illuminating thing through all this is that we've got a fair idea of what sort of people are going to be wearing Jack boots in a couple of years time
 
I believe here phone number was posted. The current trend of death threats to politicians needs to stop. All that will happen is that they will double down on authoritarian measures.

While I wouldn't shed a tear for any of them
Do it at the ballot box. Violence, or feeding your rage isn't going to help any cause.

Apparently shared by that dumbass Malcolm Roberts. I've argued with that twat before. Truly a mental pygmy.
 
moXJO said:
I believe here phone number was posted. The current trend of death threats to politicians needs to stop. All that will happen is that they will double down on authoritarian measures.

While I wouldn't shed a tear for any of them
Do it at the ballot box. Violence, or feeding your rage isn't going to help any cause.
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Agree 100%

Every person standing for liberty should resolutely disavow violence and death threats... absolutely.

Unless by self defence or by defending against a coup d'etat. IOW if our liberal democracy is threatened.
 
bellenuit said:
Google is your friend. Get educated. The understanding has moved on in the last year.

www1.racgp.org.au

newsGP - Mounting evidence suggests COVID vaccines do reduce transmission

Since vaccines began rolling out across the world, many scientists have been hesitant to say they can reduce transmission of the virus.
www1.racgp.org.au
www.bbc.com

Covid: One dose of vaccine halves transmission - study

People who get coronavirus after their first jab are up to 49% less likely to pass it on, research suggests.
www.bbc.com www.bbc.com
www.bmj.com

Covid-19: Moderna and Pfizer vaccines prevent infections as well as symptoms, CDC study finds

Vaccination with the Pfizer or Moderna vaccine reduces infections by 90%, while a single dose confers 80% protection, shows a study led by the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) that followed essential workers through the worst months of the pandemic.1 The study is one of a...
www.bmj.com www.bmj.com
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Google is getting better at it...
 
bellenuit said:
You are being silly.

Lots of our laws are designed for the greater good. Safety belts, speed limits, smoking in cars with young children present, polluting our rivers etc., And we already have vaccine requirements in relation to previous diseases that have been eradicated or mostly eradicated. Your arguments on that point are bordering on paranoia.
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So mandatory jab or jail.actually no,send the swat team and force them?Them...Those?maybe kill them directly. They may not wash their hands and still hug
Austria and Germany are on the way to do it.old devils never die
You really need to open your gate wear your Hazmat suit and head to the library to get any historical book on the rise of the 3rd reich.if too risky,you can maybe get some electronic versions?
There is no excuse to ignorance especially from people who were up in arms shouting "fascist" at Trump and profess to have some litteracy.
This has now long been past a medical issue . at least a year.wake up
 
Todays take on it
Mick
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Statistics can tell so many stories.
From Zero Hedge

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So before the year is ou, there have already been more deaths in the US this year than for the whole of last year.
Despite the Vaccinations, the masks , the lockdowns, the millions of people with natural immunity after having already caught Covid.
A little puzzling.
Mick
 
It would seem that most countries have had more deaths in 2021 than 2020.
World wide, there were 1.88 million deaths in 2020, and so far there have been 3.29 million deaths.
Australia had 909 deaths from covid last year, but 1064 so far this year.
No country has managed to have fewer deaths, but at least China and Vanuatu came close.
The complete tables can be found Here
Mick
 
mullokintyre said:
Statistics can tell so many stories.
From Zero Hedge

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So before the year is ou, there have already been more deaths in the US this year than for the whole of last year.
Despite the Vaccinations, the masks , the lockdowns, the millions of people with natural immunity after having already caught Covid.
A little puzzling.
Mick
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Shift the 2020 line three months to the left and the pattern is similar. There were no death recordings for the first 3 months (bar the last week of it according to the graph), so comparing like with like needs this shift. Secondly, COVID was just starting to spread from March onwards in 2020, so even though the death rate for 2021 is comparable with 2020 (shifted by 3 months), the death rate was from a much lower infected base in 2020. There was also the newer more virulent Delta variant that became prevalent early this year. And one must consider the majority of deaths are now coming predominantly from the smaller and decreasing unvaccinated base.
 
bellenuit said:
Shift the 2020 line three months to the left and the pattern is similar. There were no death recordings for the first 3 months (bar the last week of it according to the graph), so comparing like with like needs this shift. Secondly, COVID was just starting to spread from March onwards in 2020, so even though the death rate for 2021 is comparable with 2020 (shifted by 3 months), the death rate was from a much lower infected base in 2020. There was also the newer more virulent Delta variant that became prevalent early this year. And one must consider the majority of deaths are now coming predominantly from the smaller and decreasing unvaccinated base.
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I think you missed the point.
With all the vaccinations throughout the world, a better treatment regime, and with two months of the year to go, the deaths are significantly higher. And with a much higher proportion of the worlds population living in the Northerm Hemisphere which is about to go into the coldest part of the year when the virus seems more active, there may well be a big spike in these last two months.
If the provisions that have been taken, including vaccinations, deaths should be trailing off, or at worst stabilising..
They obviously are not, they are increasing.
Whether the deaths come from vaccinated or unvaccinated , they are still deaths.
Mick
 
ABC with their narrative. What a joke. Read the headline

'I bawled my eyes out': When 11 friends were diagnosed with COVID, they banded together to overcome the stigma

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11...ing-dinner-party-superspreader-risk/100624140​

What stigma? We are all going to catch Covid-19 at some point.

I remember last year there was a similar article about a lady who was testing the Pfizer vaccine and they said similar things. What a joke the media has become.
 
mullokintyre said:
If the provisions that have been taken, including vaccinations, deaths should be trailing off, or at worst stabilising..
They obviously are not, they are increasing.
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In fact of course the overwhelming reason for the sharp rise in deaths is failure of widespread vaccination in European countries, the US and Russia. This is also coupled with the more infectious Delta version of COVID that is spreading the disease rapidly through the unvaccinated community and breakouts amongst some vaccinated people. The deaths are overwhelmingly amongst the unvaxxed people becasue teh vaccine reduces the effects of the disease

This is why we are seeing many European counties looking at vaccine mandates and restrictions on unvaccinated people mingling in the community.

Excellent summary of situation in Europe

www.euronews.com

COVID in Europe: Netherlands to reopen shops and hairdressers

Here's a round-up of the COVID situation across Europe.
www.euronews.com www.euronews.com
 
mullokintyre said:
Todays take on it
Mick
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Yeah Mullo

Exactly the sort of xhit passed around by anti vaxxers to justify their "heroic" stand against taking a simple measure that will substantially reduce the dangers of COVID. It might be dark humour except for the fact that thousands of people are sickening and dying because they have swallowed these lies.
 
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DB008 said:
ABC with their narrative. What a joke. Read the headline

'I bawled my eyes out': When 11 friends were diagnosed with COVID, they banded together to overcome the stigma

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11...ing-dinner-party-superspreader-risk/100624140​

What stigma? We are all going to catch Covid-19 at some point.

I remember last year there was a similar article about a lady who was testing the Pfizer vaccine and they said similar things. What a joke the media has become.
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Project Fear
 
basilio said:
In fact of course the overwhelming reason for the sharp rise in deaths is failure of widespread vaccination in European countries, the US and Russia.
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Well, last year there were even fewer people vaccinated in every country, so that argument does not hold water.
According to World data 53% of the entire population has received at least one dose.
France, UK, USA, Germany have all had both an increase in cases and deaths despite having over 65% or more of the population having at least one dose.
The Netherlands has over 70% of its population fully vaccinated, yet in the past month has seen cases skyrocket to a level 100% higher than at any time in the pandemic ( see chart here ).
This is also coupled with the more infectious Delta version of COVID that is spreading the disease rapidly through the unvaccinated community and breakouts amongst some vaccinated people. The deaths are overwhelmingly amongst the unvaxxed people becasue teh vaccine reduces the effects of the disease
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I will grant that the Delta version has proven more The deaths were almost exclusively among unvaccinated people last year because the vaccines didn't start being widely used until this year.
The bottom line is , despite a big increase in vaccinations this year over last year, there is a much higher number of deaths.
I would venture to say that more than half of the people vaccinated would have received their second dose within the last 4 months, so if the models are correct, they should have a significant level of protection..
Until we can see data on how long it is since each case was either single, double or boost dosed, we really have little idea as to the effectiveness of the vaccine.
The vaccination program has not proved to be the panacea that we were all led to believe.
Mick
 
For those who sprechen sie Duetch, the article below explains how in Germany now, one cannot access End of Life Euthanasia clinics unless fully vaxed.

from The translation

Euthanasia and the preparatory examination of the voluntary responsibility of our members willing to die require human closeness. Human closeness, however, is a prerequisite and breeding ground for corona virus transmission. As of today, the 2G rule applies in our association, supplemented by situation-related measures, such as quick tests before encounters in closed rooms.

In the difficult task of balancing the protection of our members, employees and doctors with the practical organization of our everyday life in the association, Dr. Martin Goßmann, the head of our medical team, is on hand to advise.
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Yeah, makes sense.
Mick
 
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