Coronavirus (COVID-19/SARS-CoV-2) outbreak discussion

[IFocus]

From the above graphs one might well ask why Israel and the UK have much lower hospitalisations per case as compared to previous outbreaks, and also when compared to the USA?
Even allowing for the 3:1 difference in the Y axis scales, USA hospitalisation seems to correlate a lot more closely than that of the other two.
Wonder why that might be the case.
Mick

Higher vaccination rates for the 2nd wave in Israel and UK, in the US vaccinations have been politicised so some states have low vaccinations and I suspect that's where h higher numbers come from.

Obesity could be another factor?

 

[mullokintyre]

Having never been to Israel, I can't comment, but two trips to the UK have shown me that the brits have a big a problem with obesity.
Whether it is as bad as the US is a moot point.
As to the politicisation of vaccines in some states, thats going to need a little more support.
Mick

 

[basilio]

Two big stories on dealing with COVID. First one notes how doctors have managed to drastically reduce deaths from vaccine induced blood.
Second highlights a range of measures to treat/reduce effects of COVID. Certainly offer some support for a more positive outlook - at least in countries that can afford the medicines..

‘Just in time’: how Australian doctors drastically reduced deaths from vaccine-linked blood clots

Australia’s low death rate from the rare syndrome linked to the AstraZeneca shot is in no small part due to a ‘huge collaborative effort’

www.theguardian.com

Coronavirus treatments: the potential ‘game-changers’ in development

After positive clinical trials for the Molnupiravir antiviral drug, it joins other medicines that have shown promise

www.theguardian.com

 

[IFocus]

Having never been to Israel, I can't comment, but two trips to the UK have shown me that the brits have a big a problem with obesity.
Whether it is as bad as the US is a moot point.
As to the politicisation of vaccines in some states, thats going to need a little more support.
Mick

Political orientation predicts science denial – here’s what that means for getting Americans vaccinated against COVID-19


Vaccine refusal is a major reason COVID-19 infections continue to surge in the U.S. Safe and effective vaccines have been available for months, but as of mid-September 2021, only 65% of eligible American adults are fully vaccinated. In many areas, a majority of eligible adults haven’t taken advantage of the opportunity to get vaccinated.

Political orientation predicts science denial – here’s what that means for getting Americans vaccinated against COVID-19

Republicans are four times as likely as Democrats to say they’re not going to get the COVID-19 vaccine. What’s behind the polarization of who trusts or denies science?

theconversation.com

 

[wayneL]

Political orientation predicts science denial – here’s what that means for getting Americans vaccinated against COVID-19


Vaccine refusal is a major reason COVID-19 infections continue to surge in the U.S. Safe and effective vaccines have been available for months, but as of mid-September 2021, only 65% of eligible American adults are fully vaccinated. In many areas, a majority of eligible adults haven’t taken advantage of the opportunity to get vaccinated.

Political orientation predicts science denial – here’s what that means for getting Americans vaccinated against COVID-19

Republicans are four times as likely as Democrats to say they’re not going to get the COVID-19 vaccine. What’s behind the polarization of who trusts or denies science?

theconversation.com

PhDs are also the highest proportion of refuseniks when ranked by education.... How many ways do you want to dice it?

Most vaccine-hesitant group is those with PhDs | Principia Scientific Intl.

A study conducted by Carnegie Mellon University and University of Pittsburgh researchers found that vaccine hesitancy is highest among those with a PhD.

principia-scientific.com

 

[sptrawler]

Bit of for and against mandatory vaccinations in Perth.
Love how people are getting tagged. ?

Man arrested as pro and anti vaccination protesters descend on East Perth

One man is arrested and police are forced to briefly close a street as pro and anti-vaccination protestors rally in the same location at East Perth.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Belli]

Clever and very funny.

Charlotte business owner explains viral truck billboard is actually a pro-vaccine message

A Charlotte business owner explained that a viral truck billboard is actually a pro-vaccine message he wanted to share.

www.wbtv.com

 

[macca]

Detroit TV channel WXYZ-TV channel 7 asked for stories about people dying of Covid, instead they got stories of people dying from the vaccine

I have removed the link because Facebook has censored it but you might try searching for the TV channel

 

[basilio]

Snapshot picture of the impact of COVID on the US.

Covid-19 map of the US: latest cases state by state

There have now been more than 68m confirmed cases of Covid-19 across the United States

www.theguardian.com

 

[bellenuit]

Detroit TV channel WXYZ-TV channel 7 asked for stories about people dying of Covid, instead they got stories of people dying from the vaccine

I have removed the link because Facebook has censored it but you might try searching for the TV channel

Has anyone been certified as having died of the vaccine or of having an existing medical condition that was exasperated by the vaccine and caused their death? I bet you will find that the responders attributing the deaths to the vaccine are just the usual anti-vaxxer crowd that have zero medical knowledge and would be incapable of making that assessment.

The evidence that the vaccine saves lives has been accumulating for a long time now as has the evidence that deaths attributable to taking the vaccine are miniscule. However, feel free to ignore verified evidence by medical experts in favour of social media experts that never advanced beyond primary level education.

 

[Humid]

 

[macca]

It is obvious that Covid is a dangerous virus, I have never said that it wasn't and those people who said it was a hoax were simply wrong.

I believe that the root cause for the conspiracy theories is the complete lack of interest in finding a treatment in the early days of Covid by the leaders of the Medical Boards in Western Countries.

As testified at a number of Govt enquiries in the USA, Doctors were basically ordered not to try to help people get better, just wait for the vaccine

No other disease or virus has been so totally lacking in effort to reduce the number of hospitalisations or to ease the discomfort of people.

It has been repeatedly stated by experts that a multi pronged attack is needed, IVM or Hydrox do not work in isolation, they need to be part of a protocol and they need to start on the same day as the person is found to be positive.

The so called trials were deliberately not done this way, Why not?

When people are told they are sick they want to take Something !! they don't want to sit at home coughing up blood and then be told that is normal. Give me something to help, there is nothing !

So people hit the net and find heaps of legitimate treatments and supplements, plus a hell of a lot of dodgy ones and that is how the weird ones get traction.

The other day I read in the paper where a Doctor in Oz told people that Hydrogen Peroxide at 100% is poisonous so you should not gargle it.

You can't buy 100% H2O2 you idiot, people have been gargling H2O2 for 100 years at 3% which is what you can buy in the shops.

Instead they tell Covid positive people to take 2 panadols, using his theory, if I take 60 panadols will I get sick? OF Course I will. See the BS that the so called experts serve up ?

No wonder people smell a rat

 

[bellenuit]

As testified at a number of Govt enquiries in the USA, Doctors were basically ordered not to try to help people get better, just wait for the vaccine

No other disease or virus has been so totally lacking in effort to reduce the number of hospitalisations or to ease the discomfort of people.

You really believe that garbage? That doctors were prepared to bring hospitals to the point of collapse, rather than treat the patients. And that every doctor in every country basically acted the same way? They did that all the while knowing that patients who remained untreated and infected would very likely end up causing the spread of the virus to the medical staff themselves and to their own families when they get home? And before you start saying that medical staff had PPE to protect themselves, remember that most countries, including the US, had inadequate supplies of PPE, with many reusing PPE that should have been discarded at the end of each day for several days as they had no choice.

You really are away with the fairies if you believe that crap and can't see how utterly illogical it is.

 

[basilio]

You really believe that garbage? That doctors were prepared to bring hospitals to the point of collapse, rather than treat the patients. And that every doctor in every country basically acted the same way? They did that all the while knowing that patients who remained untreated and infected would very likely end up causing the spread of the virus to the medical staff themselves and to their own families when they get home? And before you start saying that medical staff had PPE to protect themselves, remember that most countries, including the US, had inadequate supplies of PPE, with many reusing PPE that should have been discarded at the end of each day for several days as they had no choice.

You really are away with the fairies if you believe that crap and can't see how utterly illogical it is.

Couldn't Put It Better....

 

[basilio]

Who to blame for COVID.

It’s very convenient for the government if you blame the spread of Covid on anyone but the government | First Dog on the Moon

We are looking for the guy who did this!

www.theguardian.com

 

[macca]

We used to live in a free country, we no longer do so

There have been plenty of links put up on here about Covid treatments for those who wish to do some DD, much the same way as we do for investing.

Obviously, we don't all buy the same stocks, just as obviously, we don't all buy the same info.

The medical hierarchy stated in court last week that they do very little research in OZ, they just rely on info from Big Pharma, very cosy isn't it ?

 

[basilio]

Reality check in Victoria.

There are 476 people currently in hospital with COVID-19 across Victoria, with 98 of those in intensive care, including 57 people on a ventilator.

Of the people in hospital yesterday, only 5 per cent were fully vaccinated.

As of Sunday afternoon, there were 12 teenage patients in hospital, none of whom were fully vaccinated. Of the 22 patients in their 20s, only one was fully vaccinated.

There were 64 patients in their 30s, only one of whom was fully vaccinated, and 60 patients in their 40s, none of whom were fully vaccinated.

Victoria this weekend recorded another record-high daily case count. And the number of new infections is expected to keep climbing until a peak later this month.

COVID-19 patients 'begging' for vaccines before being put on life support, Melbourne nurses say

Two senior nurses say patients with COVID-19 are arriving at hospital unvaccinated and requesting a shot once it's too late.

www.abc.net.au

 

[bellenuit]

There have been plenty of links put up on here about Covid treatments for those who wish to do some DD, much the same way as we do for investing.

Yes, it's so hard to choose between who is right and wrong. I guess posting this again doesn't help you in any way.

The medical hierarchy stated in court last week that they do very little research in OZ, they just rely on info from Big Pharma, very cosy isn't it ?

Link please.

 

[macca]

There have been plenty of links put up on here about Covid treatments for those who wish to do some DD, much the same way as we do for investing.

Yes, it's so hard to choose between who is right and wrong. I guess posting this again doesn't help you in any way.


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Link please.

I don't have accounts so cannot search but it was related to that court case in Victoria where the Govt is being sued for locking all those poor old people in together back in 2020

 

[moXJO]

I don't have time to discredit and surely this is bs. Anyone have info on this statement/study?

The number of cases experiencing adverse reactions has been reported to be 700 per 100,000 vaccinations. Currently, we see 16 serious side effects per 100,000 vaccinations, and the number of fatal side effects is at 4.11/100,000 vaccinations. For three deaths prevented by vaccination we have to accept two inflicted by vaccination. Conclusions: This lack of clear benefit should cause governments to rethink their vaccination policy.
https://www.mdpi.com/2076-393X/9/7/693/htm