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Will the "Corona Virus" turn into a worldwide epidemic or fizzle out?

  • Yes

    Votes: 37 49.3%

  • No

    Votes: 9 12.0%

  • Bigger than SARS, but not worldwide epidemic (Black Death/bubonic plague)

    Votes: 25 33.3%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 4 5.3%
  • Total voters
    75
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Humid said:
Where is the bit about being unvaccinated?
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When vaccinated people are tested positive, the normal protocol is to to say, despite being single or double dose vaccinated.
It is taken for granted the person isnt vaccinated, when vaccination isnt mentioned, as these are the majority of cases.
This has been the norm, as far as Ive observed.
 
sptrawler said:
When vaccinated people are tested positive, the normal protocol is to to say, despite being single or double dose vaccinated.
It is taken for granted the person isnt vaccinated, when vaccination isnt mentioned, as these are the majority of cases.
This has been the norm, as far as Ive observed.
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Mr Setka has lashed protesters as “drunken morons”, insisting the majority were anti-vaccination protesters rather than union members. He received his first vaccine dose in mid-August.
 
mullokintyre said:
Much has been written and said about Ivermectin on this site, and in many newspapers and other media outlets.
It became de rigueur to refer to it as horse medicine, and in some cases dangerous to be taken.
Notwithstanding that, Ivermectin has been taken orally by children in Australia believe it or not.
From Pub Med

The article goes further to cite a paper where Ivermectin was used as a scabies control.
Head lice is still prevalent in OZ, though scabies is something we rarely see.
I asked my wife the pharmacist about it and she said that had occasionally filled ivermectin scripts for children, but it was only in tropical climates (FNQ, Vanuatu and Fiji), and did not recall ever filling an ivermectin script in colder climes.
The TGA is quite specific on what it can be used to treat (lice and scabies, nothing else)..
Mick
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I would imaging dose rate would be the issue (your good wife would know) what dose for what purpose / age group etc.

I don't think its safety status if given at correct dosage is in question more its efficacy.

What I have seen in the US seems to be hillbillys taking dose rates for animals and turning up at hospital some time after.
 
sptrawler said:
When vaccinated people are tested positive, the normal protocol is to to say, despite being single or double dose vaccinated.
It is taken for granted the person isnt vaccinated, when vaccination isnt mentioned, as these are the majority of cases.
This has been the norm, as far as Ive observed.
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Only seen this for people dying of COVID reporting if vaccinated or not (without getting picky)
 
IFocus said:
Only seen this for people dying of COVID reporting if vaccinated or not (without getting picky)
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In the last few days. But you could be right, it might have been mainly associated with death.

COVID-19 update 29 September 2021

WA Health is reporting no new cases of COVID-19 overnight.
ww2.health.wa.gov.au ww2.health.wa.gov.au
The fully vaccinated man also tested negative to COVID-19 in the Northern Territory on 15 September.

www.brisbanetimes.com.au

Fully vaccinated man tests positive after quarantine in Brisbane

A man has tested positive for COVID-19 despite being fully vaccinated and doing a full course of hotel quarantine, with authorities working to discover where he was infected.
www.brisbanetimes.com.au www.brisbanetimes.com.au
 
Whether people are vaccinated or not, we must do more to slow the spread through society. Vaccinating everybody every three months is highly likely to cause a lot of grief down the track.

Looking at OS data it is clear we need other things to help people who get Covid to recover at home and lessen the load on the hospitals

We really need a "take home treatment pack" for people who test positive, whether vaccinated or not, as both can act as a spreader of Covid.

There are quite a few things that have tested OK as a "help" not a cure for Covid

This is one that has been tested in Brazil, it shows that a saline solution inhibits the growth of Covid cells in vitro. Saline solution has been used for years for people with bronchial complaints.

My wife who is a chronic asthmatic, is much better when there is salt in the air, this is why we live 200m from the ocean.


Study reveals how saline solution can inhibit replication of SARS-CoV-2​


medicalxpress.com

Study reveals how saline solution can inhibit replication of SARS-CoV-2

Researchers at the University of São Paulo (USP) in Brazil have shown that a hypertonic saline solution inhibits replication of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, and have elucidated the biochemical mechanism involved. An article reporting the research is published in ACS Pharmacology &...
medicalxpress.com medicalxpress.com
 
Humid said:
Mr Setka has lashed protesters as “drunken morons”, insisting the majority were anti-vaccination protesters rather than union members. He received his first vaccine dose in mid-August.
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Obviously a bit of vaccine hesitancy there. ?
I wonder which one he had?
 
NSW is still powering on with vaccinations, if the majority are Pfizer and the second dose is six weeks, they should be well into the 90 percentile by Christmas.
What it does show IMO is, that the degree of hesitancy was massive, 64% fully vaccinated 87.2% first dose, just shows how the Delta strain and the lockdown fatigue has broken through. :2twocents

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sptrawler said:
NSW is still powering on with vaccinations, if the majority are Pfizer and the second dose is six weeks, they should be well into the 90 percentile by Christmas.
What it does show IMO is, that the degree of hesitancy was massive, 64% fully vaccinated 87.2% first dose, just shows how the Delta strain and the lockdown fatigue has broken through. :2twocents

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Vaccination rate is quite stunning inline I guess with Australia's acceptance of vaccinations generally.
 
Neil de Grasse Tyson once said
"One of the great challeneges in this world is knowing enough about a subject to think we are right, but not enough about a subject to know you are wrong".
Notwithstanding the above, I came across tis report from University of California Davis

Abstract​

We found no significant difference in cycle threshold values between vaccinated and unvaccinated, asymptomatic and symptomatic groups infected with SARS-CoV-2 Delta. Given the substantial proportion of asymptomatic vaccine breakthrough cases with high viral levels, interventions, including masking and testing, should be considered for all in settings with elevated COVID-19 transmission.

Competing Interest Statement​

Dr. DeRisi reports being a scientific advisor to the Public Health Co. and a scientific advisor to Allen & Co. Dr. Havlir reports non-financial support from Abbott outside of the submitted work. The other authors declare no competing interests.

Funding Statement​

This work was supported by the Chan Zuckerberg Biohub, Healthy Yolo Together, the University of California, San Francisco, the Chan Zuckerberg Initiative, and The University of California, Davis.
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It seems that it is generally accepted that the vaccinations reduce the effects of the disease (lee severe hospitalisation, fewer deaths, etc), these guys are saying that having the disease., regardless of previous vax status or previous history of antibody detection, the viral load is the same.
If this research turns out to be accurate (i.e. its properly peer reviewed, and most importantly, reproducible), then it condemns us to wearing masks forever.
It may also explain why the worldwide outbreaks seem to defy lockdowns of any sort.
Mick
 
Hospitalisation rates before and after increased vaccinations, the numbers are quite stark, note the US is different.

Australia has some way to go

Hospitalisation rates really determine death rates both for COVID and general particularly if COVID delays normal treatments or breaks through into other hospital areas hosting vulnerable patients .

Hospitalisation rate for Australia currently running at 7% of those that test positive has been as high as 10%. At 7% you have a 1 in 14 chance of going to hospital and out of those a 20% of ending up in ICU.


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From the above graphs one might well ask why Israel and the UK have much lower hospitalisations per case as compared to previous outbreaks, and also when compared to the USA?
Even allowing for the 3:1 difference in the Y axis scales, USA hospitalisation seems to correlate a lot more closely than that of the other two.
Wonder why that might be the case.
Mick
 
Public Servants , somewhat like politicians, must go to a special school, that allows them to say that X does not exist, will not exist, has never existed.
Then they can go on and blithely describe exactly that they are going to create X, but without naming it X.
Bit like the feds trying to argue a tax surcharge is not a tax increase.
Heres a spiffing example.
This bureaucrat denies there is a vaccine passport. Then goes on to describe how they will create a vaccine passport, but you can't call it a vaccine passport.



Mick
 
mullokintyre said:
Public Servants , somewhat like politicians, must go to a special school, that allows them to say that X does not exist, will not exist, has never existed.
Then they can go on and blithely describe exactly that they are going to create X, but without naming it X.
Bit like the feds trying to argue a tax surcharge is not a tax increase.
Heres a spiffing example.
This bureaucrat denies there is a vaccine passport. Then goes on to describe how they will create a vaccine passport, but you can't call it a vaccine passport.



Mick
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Claims that there is no domestic vaccine passport though. So how do the petty fascists intend to stop un (covid)vaccinated people going into certain places?

If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck etc
 
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