Coronavirus (COVID-19/SARS-CoV-2) outbreak discussion

[basilio]

I don't have time to discredit and surely this is bs. Anyone have info on this statement/study?

The number of cases experiencing adverse reactions has been reported to be 700 per 100,000 vaccinations. Currently, we see 16 serious side effects per 100,000 vaccinations, and the number of fatal side effects is at 4.11/100,000 vaccinations. For three deaths prevented by vaccination we have to accept two inflicted by vaccination. Conclusions: This lack of clear benefit should cause governments to rethink their vaccination policy.
https://www.mdpi.com/2076-393X/9/7/693/htm

MoXjo have you checked your link ?
If you have you will note that it has been retracted because quote.

The journal is issuing this expression of concern to alert readers to significant concerns regarding the paper cited above [1].
Serious concerns have been raised about misinterpretation of the data and the conclusions.
The major concern is the misrepresentation of the COVID-19 vaccination efforts and misrepresentation of the data, e.g., Abstract: “For three deaths prevented by vaccination we have to accept two inflicted by vaccination”. Stating that these deaths linked to vaccination efforts is incorrect and distorted.
We will provide an update following the conclusion of our investigation. The authors have been notified about this Expression of Concern.

Expression of Concern: Walach et al. The Safety of COVID-19 Vaccinations—We Should Rethink the Policy. Vaccines 2021, 9, 693

The journal is issuing this expression of concern to alert readers to significant concerns regarding the paper cited above [...]

www.mdpi.com

 

[moXJO]

MoXjo have you checked your link ?
If you have you will note that it has been retracted because quote.

The journal is issuing this expression of concern to alert readers to significant concerns regarding the paper cited above [1].
Serious concerns have been raised about misinterpretation of the data and the conclusions.
The major concern is the misrepresentation of the COVID-19 vaccination efforts and misrepresentation of the data, e.g., Abstract: “For three deaths prevented by vaccination we have to accept two inflicted by vaccination”. Stating that these deaths linked to vaccination efforts is incorrect and distorted.
We will provide an update following the conclusion of our investigation. The authors have been notified about this Expression of Concern.

Expression of Concern: Walach et al. The Safety of COVID-19 Vaccinations—We Should Rethink the Policy. Vaccines 2021, 9, 693

The journal is issuing this expression of concern to alert readers to significant concerns regarding the paper cited above [...]

www.mdpi.com

Is there a link explaining the numbers? Someone threw this at me today and I was unsure how to respond.

 

[moXJO]

It’s even worse than that.
This abysmal paper cherry-picks two data sets. One is used to estimate the number of lives saved by vaccination. They picked Israel, a country with a very low Covid death rate. They also underestimate the number of lives saved by vaccination by only counting deaths during the couple of months duration of the clinical trial, so assuming the vaccine then stops working.
This is then compared to a Dutch data set of adverse events after vaccination. Why Holland? Because they report a lot of events. As has been said, this assumes that all deaths after vaccination were due to the vaccine. To those who say “Aha, but that’s what YOU do with deaths after a Covid test!” I would say no, we do not. We use proper statistics, not made-up methods nobody else uses, to compare the death rate after a Covid test to the underlying death rate expected in the population. This was not done here. If vaccination was killing 67% as many people as Covid, which this woeful paper claims, we’d see that in excess death stats, and we simply don’t.
These choices can only have been made deliberately so as to exaggerate the risk of the vaccine and minimise the risk of Covid. Incidentally this author has published before on subjects ranging from homeopathy through telepathy and telekinesis so he has considerable form…

For those interested. Haven't verified it though.

 

[wayneL]

"no more dangerous than flu"

 

[Joules MM1]

#education #Molnupiravir

 

[rederob]

"no more dangerous than flu"

Previously shown to be another of the false claims that @wayneL keeps posting.
Took 10 seconds to find that no such claim from Norway has been made.
Twits keep linking dumb tweets instead of source information!

 

[sptrawler]

Sounds like 80% vaccinated is coming up soon.

Covid-19 vaccine Australia rollout tracker by state: total number of people and per cent vaccinated, daily vaccine doses and rate of progress

How does Australia’s coronavirus vaccine rollout and schedule compare with other countries, and when will Australia reach 70% and 80% double dose vaccination? We bring together the latest numbers on the vaccination rate in Victoria, NSW, Queensland and other states, as well as stats, maps, live...

www.theguardian.com

 

[mullokintyre]

Previously shown to be another of the false claims that @wayneL keeps posting.
Took 10 seconds to find that no such claim from Norway has been made.
Twits keep linking dumb tweets instead of source information!

So where are the data that shows the claim to be false.
Its one of your favourite put downs.
Don't know what you did with your ten seconds, but please feel free to enlighten us.
Here is an ABC news item that says exactly the same thing as the the tweet.
ABC NEWS

Norway has re-opened society, its government says, ending its COVID-19 restrictions that have limited social interaction and hobbled many businesses.

Key points:​

• Culture and sports venues will be able to utilise their full capacity
• As many as 76 per cent of Norwegians have received their first dose of a COVID-19 vaccine
• Meanwhile, 67 per cent have been fully immunised against the virus

The Nordic nation joins a small but growing number of countries, including Denmark and Britain, which have removed all domestic restrictions that limited the spread of COVID-19.

"It is 561 days since we introduced the toughest measures in Norway in peacetime … Now the time has come to return to a normal daily life," Prime Minister Erna Solberg told a news conference.

Restrictions ended at 4:00pm (local time) on Saturday, Ms Solberg said.

I did a quick search and about twenty other stories of Norway lifting all covid restrictions.
Hers one from the Norway government Life In Norway
But did not find something to the contrary.
Maybe its because I use a search engine other than Google.
Or is this just a case of us plebs not being able to do data analysis?
Mick

 

[sptrawler]

It looks as though the Queensland, we will stop it, we will block it mentality is wavering. So are Victorian and NSW methods on their way?

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[DB008]

I'm reading that Ivermectin is having a lot of success in India, but the media isn't reporting it....

 

[rederob]

So where are the data that shows the claim to be false.
Its one of your favourite put downs.

There are no medical scientists of merit who regard covid to be similar to the flu.
The common flu has never overwhelmed hospital systems or ICUs for starters. And nor is there anything called long-flu!
Here's one of many fact checking sites that canned the claim from @wayneL's link.

As to your the rest of your comments, where is there any substantiation of the claim in the tweet?

 

[qldfrog]

https://www.smh.com.au/world/asia/s...before-covid-19-revealed-20211005-p58x89.html

 

[qldfrog]

https://www.smh.com.au/world/asia/s...before-covid-19-revealed-20211005-p58x89.html

Poor pangolins were already sick earlier

 

[Belli]

I'm reading that Ivermectin is having a lot of success in India, but the media isn't reporting it....

From May but no reason to support the position has changed since then.

HCQ To Ivermectin: Why India Has Got It Wrong In Covid-19 Treatment - Forbes India

There are drugs that continue to be on the health ministry's treatment protocol despite evidence not inspiring confidence, while the regulator is approving medicines without following due scientific process, experts say

www.forbesindia.com

 

[SirRumpole]

A teacher is going to challenge mandatory vaccinations in the NSW Supreme Court.

Thousands watch live stream of court cases challenging mandatory COVID-19 vaccines for NSW workers

Lawyers say NSW's mandatory COVID-19 vaccines order or frontline workers breaches the right to privacy, as the Supreme Court hears four separate cases against the rules.

www.abc.net.au

 

[IFocus]

From May but no reason to support the position has changed since then.

HCQ To Ivermectin: Why India Has Got It Wrong In Covid-19 Treatment - Forbes India

There are drugs that continue to be on the health ministry's treatment protocol despite evidence not inspiring confidence, while the regulator is approving medicines without following due scientific process, experts say

www.forbesindia.com

Also a number of trials underway which hopefully put the issue to bed one way or the other.

 

[sptrawler]

A teacher is going to challenge mandatory vaccinations in the NSW Supreme Court.

Thousands watch live stream of court cases challenging mandatory COVID-19 vaccines for NSW workers

Lawyers say NSW's mandatory COVID-19 vaccines order or frontline workers breaches the right to privacy, as the Supreme Court hears four separate cases against the rules.

www.abc.net.au

As I said early on, if you have 90% fully vaccinated, 5% hesitant and 5% anti vax so be it, those who haven't been vaccinated should be allowed the choice IMO. The main issue is getting those vaccinated, that want to be vaccinated, rather than focusing on those who don't want to be vaccinated.
I'm pleased it is going to court, at least it brings closure to the divisiveness.

 

[mullokintyre]

So today we have Victoria at1765 cases, now the highest daily caseload in OZ, surpassing NSW and its previous highest of 1605 back on September 11th. It has been steadily falling since that high to todays total of 605.
We don't even know if Vic has peaked yet.
The gratuitous advice offered by Victorian pollies and health experts to NSW about how to contain an outbreak is looking a little hollow now.
For all the pain everyone has gone thru in Victoria, and we are still getting to the bottom of the class on stats.
Mick

 

[Belli]

Also a number of trials underway which hopefully put the issue to bed one way or the other.

Yep. They'd establish clinical trials on sniffing peppermint oil if there was any indication it would be an effective treatment.

They are really strange group. They like to know things and find out if it actually works or not.

 

[sptrawler]

SPC cleared by work safe, re compulsory vaccinations.

SPC's vaccine mandate cleared by WorkSafe as company edges towards 100 per cent compliance

Fruit processor SPC has been cleared of any wrongdoing by WorkSafe Victoria, after the company decided to make the COVID-19 vaccine compulsory for its staff.

www.abc.net.au