Coronavirus (COVID-19/SARS-CoV-2) outbreak discussion

[moXJO]

The stress on hospitals of sick unvaccinated COVID patients in Oklahoma is been exacerbated by a steep rise in poisonings from people taking imvermetcin.
It has now reached the stage where hospitals can't even treat the patients who present with gunshot wounds...

Oklahoma hospitals deluged by ivermectin overdoses, doctor says​

Jason McElyea says people overdosing on anti-parasitic drug that some people believe without evidence can cure or treat Covid

... “The [emergency rooms] are so backed up that gunshot victims were having hard times getting to facilities where they can get definitive care and be treated.

“Ambulances are stuck at the hospital waiting for a bed to open so they can take the patient in and they don’t have any, that’s it. If there’s no ambulance to take the call, there’s no ambulance to come to the call.”

McElyea told the Tulsa World a colleague was forced to send one severely ill Covid patient to a hospital in South Dakota, three states away to the north.

“They had sat in a small hospital needing to be in an [intensive care unit] for several days, and that was the closest ICU that was available,” he said.

Ivermectin misuse adding to Covid pressures at Oklahoma hospitals, doctor says

Jason McElyea says people overdosing on anti-parasitic drug that some people believe without evidence can cure or treat Covid

www.theguardian.com

Is this story fake?
Rolling Stone just admitted they lied
https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www...rmectin-oklahoma-hospitals-covid-1220608/amp/

One Hospital Denies Oklahoma Doctor’s Story of Ivermectin Overdoses Causing ER Delays for Gunshot Victims​

So did you just spread a whole bunch of bullshet again without verifying bas?

 

[bellenuit]

Biden was the exact one saying it was a hoax only by proxy. It was in fact the Democrats that created the confusion.

Factcheck.org: "Trump did use the word ‘hoax’ but his full comments, and subsequent explanation, make clear he was talking about Democratic attacks on his administration’s handling of the outbreak, not the virus itself."

The Washington Post Fact Checker: "The context of the full quote shows Trump criticized Democratic talking points and media’s coverage of his response to the coronavirus, but does not call the virus itself a hoax."

Snopes: "Despite creating some confusion with his remarks, Trump did not call the coronavirus a hoax."

AP Fact Check: "The accusation is misleading. So is the selective video editing that made it appear Trump was calling the coronavirus a ‘new hoax.’"

Again you are avoiding the issue. I haven't said Trump called it a hoax, just as I haven't claimed that he passed "laws making it illegal for schools and other institutions to mandate masks to protect their attendees" nor that he had demonised front line workers. I said Biden isn't doing these. But these actions are being done and were done by Trumps political base and Trump has done little to curtail them. We do know what Trump did personally - downplaying the seriousness of the virus (no worse than a flu, will be gone in a few weeks, suggesting taking unapproved medicines).

If you looked at Trump's actions since the virus and conclude he has done everything possible to curtail the virus you are living in cloud cuckoo land. There were daily incidents that are too numerous to recall, but ones that quickly spring to mind are visiting a hospital and refusing to wear a mask, refusing to wear a mask at a mask manufacturing plant requiring most masks in that day's production to be dumped, etc.

 

[basilio]

Is this story fake?
Rolling Stone just admitted they lied
https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www...rmectin-oklahoma-hospitals-covid-1220608/amp/

One Hospital Denies Oklahoma Doctor’s Story of Ivermectin Overdoses Causing ER Delays for Gunshot Victims​

So did you just spread a whole bunch of bullshet again without verifying bas?

HA, HA HA. What do we know as facts MoXJO

1) COVID is causing huge pressures on hospital facilities and in particular ICU
2) There is also a big rise in people presenting with poisonous size effects from self medication with Invermecin.
3) The consequences of these pressures is squeezing out the whole range of other medical conditions that present at hospitals.

 

[moXJO]

Is Biden out there saying that COVID is a hoax or to take some weird medication to stop it? Is he passing laws making it illegal for schools and other institutions to mandate masks to protect their attendees?

You insinuated that was the case. Otherwise if Trump didn't say it, what's the bloody difference now?

Can you post an article on Trump banning masks from schools. As I was unaware of this one
Majority of masks don't protect you either. That's false information.

 

[moXJO]

Did I hit the right note and now you are double checking bas?

 

[moXJO]

HA, HA HA. What do we know as facts MoXJO

1) COVID is causing huge pressures on hospital facilities and in particular ICU
2) There is also a big rise in people presenting with poisonous size effects from self medication with Invermecin.
3) The consequences of these pressures is squeezing out the whole range of other medical conditions that present at hospitals.

The story was a lie. That's a fact regardless of the message. I'm not arguing for invermecin. But the story you presented as facts was bs.

From what I've seen, there hasn't been enough studies for a conclusive answer either way when it's used in conjunction with other medicines.

 

[Humid]

Victoria had a hard lockdown last time I checked. Everyone was whinging about how hard lockdown was the only way. Big fkning fail as it turns out. You just delay the inevitable.

I'd be interested in the cost of Rogans treatment as he was tested positive.

So someone is bullshittting.

Until the self entitled lot to the north got their Karen outfits on

 

[moXJO]

Until the self entitled lot to the north got their Karen outfits on

How was fathers day you go to see "big daddy"?

It gets even better https://www.news.com.au/finance/wor...m/news-story/1467cdbfade0226c10348dd92c1bf3a0

you guys ok over there?

 

[basilio]

Watch Now: 'This is not just COVID': Domino effect backs up Oklahoma hospitals, with no relief in sight ​

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Katie Anne Hedges, a nurse in Saint Francis Hospital's Emergency Department, cares for a patient waiting in a hallway for a room. Doctors with the Oklahoma Hospital Association talked Tuesday about their concern over the lack of available beds in the state's hospitals and the strain the load is putting on staff.
John Clanton, Tulsa World
A cardiac patient couldn't get placed in a Stillwater hospital for three days. Another patient had to be transferred all the way to South Dakota.
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Oklahoma hospitals and physicians are sounding alarms that haven’t changed Gov. Kevin Stitt’s view that the government won’t solve COVID-19 and that “personal responsibility” is the way to go.

Hospitals are trying to reserve beds for the “sickest of the sick” but are at capacity, with no apparent relief in sight as exhausted caregivers say the burden is untenable, according to Oklahoma Hospital Association President Patti Davis.


She and other medical professionals described a troubled scene across the state during the Healthier Oklahoma Coalition’s weekly COVID-19 briefing with reporters Tuesday.

Dr. Jason McElyea, a rural emergency room physician, had a gunshot victim in his facility whom for hours he was unable to transfer to a higher level of care because no one had space. One of McElyea’s colleagues had to send a severely ill COVID patient all the way to South Dakota.

“They had sat in a small hospital needing to be in an ICU for several days and that was the closest ICU that was available,” McElyea said.

Dr. Mary Clarke, president of the Oklahoma State Medical Association, said Stillwater Medical Center has a patient with a cardiac issue that it can’t handle. The patient has been in its care for three days as health care workers keep her stable while trying to find a hospital in Oklahoma City where it can send her, Clarke said.

“I’m trying to help people understand this is not just COVID,” said Clarke, a family practitioner based in Stillwater. “This is a domino effect to every other health condition that may need a hospital bed. Everything else. Period.

“COVID — yes — is taking up room, but COVID we can prevent (with vaccination). I can’t prevent someone tomorrow from having a heart attack.”
Davis said the Oklahoma Hospital Association’s recent survey of hospitals found there are about 200 fewer staffed beds in the state than in December.
“That is very much a concern because we know there’s a great deal of fatigue right now of health care providers just saying, ‘We can’t continue to do that,’” Davis said. “That’s affecting them not only professionally but personally, and we are very concerned about that.”

Three major Oklahoma City hospital systems have reported no available ICU beds — and a fourth has reported no room for COVID patients — in point-in-time census counts. Some hospitals have halted select services or are delaying nonemergency procedures.

The governor appears to have no intention of pivoting toward some level of restrictions rather than relying on a message of “personal responsibility” to help hospitals or protect vulnerable individuals.

“The Governor’s position has not changed,” wrote Carly Atchison, spokesperson for Stitt. “He does not believe government will solve the COVID virus now or at any point in time. He will always trust Oklahomans to do the right thing.”

Davis said the Oklahoma Hospital Association’s top concern is the availability of intensive care beds, which she knows is “very tight.” She described how an ICU bed might open at 11 a.m. and be filled five minutes later.

“We know that patients are being transferred out of state for beds,” Davis said. “We are increasingly concerned about the number of holds that are in emergency rooms waiting for ICU beds.”

She said the recent growth in confirmed cases — particularly among school-age children — is alarming because that often is a harbinger of more hospitalizations to come in the near future. Sick children might not need hospitalization as often as adults, but Davis said they could infect their parents.

“We need every tool used right now that we can possibly use to keep people out of the hospital because we’ve got to reserve those beds for the sickest of the sick,” Davis said, referencing monoclonal antibodies and other strategies, such as vaccination, wearing masks, socially distancing, and washing hands or using hand sanitizer frequently.

McElyea, a frontline family physician working in emergency rooms in eastern and southern Oklahoma, said the gunshot victim who came in normally would have been no problem to transfer out of a small hospital that had no neurosurgeon and minimal critical-care capacities.

“We had a critical patient sitting in our ER for hours, and we simply couldn’t find a place for him to go,” McElyea said. “Another colleague in a place across the state: same situation. A traumatic brain injury with internal bleeding — couldn’t find a place to place these patients.”

The other patient with head trauma and internal bleeding was sent to Missouri, he said.

McElyea touched on one of the financial ramifications to families, too. He noted that insurers don’t pay for patients to be transferred back in state.
“Where it recently hit home for me was I had a colleague tell me they transferred a patient to South Dakota,” McElyea said. “These families have to worry about not just how their loved one is doing but how to get them back when they’re better.”
Dr. David Kendrick, chairman of the Department of Medical Informatics at the OU School of Community Medicine, said COVID patients are staying longer in ICU beds because they are trending younger and healthier.
Kendrick said that means they can tolerate being on a ventilator longer to hopefully come off it than those who were already ill before infection.

Davis said the Oklahoma Hospital Association’s members aren’t conveying any sense of a light at the end of the tunnel for overwhelmed hospitals.

“I think we’ve got a ways to go to get to a level where as a state the hospitals can breathe a sigh of relief and say, ‘We’re headed in the right direction,’” Davis said.

'This is not just COVID': Domino effect backs up Oklahoma hospitals, with no relief in sight

Oklahoma has 200 fewer staffed beds in the state than in December. “That is very much a concern because we know there’s a great deal of fatigue right now of

tulsaworld.com

 

[moXJO]

Watch Now: 'This is not just COVID': Domino effect backs up Oklahoma hospitals, with no relief in sight ​

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Katie Anne Hedges, a nurse in Saint Francis Hospital's Emergency Department, cares for a patient waiting in a hallway for a room. Doctors with the Oklahoma Hospital Association talked Tuesday about their concern over the lack of available beds in the state's hospitals and the strain the load is putting on staff.
John Clanton, Tulsa World
A cardiac patient couldn't get placed in a Stillwater hospital for three days. Another patient had to be transferred all the way to South Dakota.
.........................................................................
Oklahoma hospitals and physicians are sounding alarms that haven’t changed Gov. Kevin Stitt’s view that the government won’t solve COVID-19 and that “personal responsibility” is the way to go.

Hospitals are trying to reserve beds for the “sickest of the sick” but are at capacity, with no apparent relief in sight as exhausted caregivers say the burden is untenable, according to Oklahoma Hospital Association President Patti Davis.


She and other medical professionals described a troubled scene across the state during the Healthier Oklahoma Coalition’s weekly COVID-19 briefing with reporters Tuesday.

Dr. Jason McElyea, a rural emergency room physician, had a gunshot victim in his facility whom for hours he was unable to transfer to a higher level of care because no one had space. One of McElyea’s colleagues had to send a severely ill COVID patient all the way to South Dakota.

“They had sat in a small hospital needing to be in an ICU for several days and that was the closest ICU that was available,” McElyea said.

Dr. Mary Clarke, president of the Oklahoma State Medical Association, said Stillwater Medical Center has a patient with a cardiac issue that it can’t handle. The patient has been in its care for three days as health care workers keep her stable while trying to find a hospital in Oklahoma City where it can send her, Clarke said.

“I’m trying to help people understand this is not just COVID,” said Clarke, a family practitioner based in Stillwater. “This is a domino effect to every other health condition that may need a hospital bed. Everything else. Period.

“COVID — yes — is taking up room, but COVID we can prevent (with vaccination). I can’t prevent someone tomorrow from having a heart attack.”
Davis said the Oklahoma Hospital Association’s recent survey of hospitals found there are about 200 fewer staffed beds in the state than in December.
“That is very much a concern because we know there’s a great deal of fatigue right now of health care providers just saying, ‘We can’t continue to do that,’” Davis said. “That’s affecting them not only professionally but personally, and we are very concerned about that.”

Three major Oklahoma City hospital systems have reported no available ICU beds — and a fourth has reported no room for COVID patients — in point-in-time census counts. Some hospitals have halted select services or are delaying nonemergency procedures.

The governor appears to have no intention of pivoting toward some level of restrictions rather than relying on a message of “personal responsibility” to help hospitals or protect vulnerable individuals.

“The Governor’s position has not changed,” wrote Carly Atchison, spokesperson for Stitt. “He does not believe government will solve the COVID virus now or at any point in time. He will always trust Oklahomans to do the right thing.”

Davis said the Oklahoma Hospital Association’s top concern is the availability of intensive care beds, which she knows is “very tight.” She described how an ICU bed might open at 11 a.m. and be filled five minutes later.

“We know that patients are being transferred out of state for beds,” Davis said. “We are increasingly concerned about the number of holds that are in emergency rooms waiting for ICU beds.”

She said the recent growth in confirmed cases — particularly among school-age children — is alarming because that often is a harbinger of more hospitalizations to come in the near future. Sick children might not need hospitalization as often as adults, but Davis said they could infect their parents.

“We need every tool used right now that we can possibly use to keep people out of the hospital because we’ve got to reserve those beds for the sickest of the sick,” Davis said, referencing monoclonal antibodies and other strategies, such as vaccination, wearing masks, socially distancing, and washing hands or using hand sanitizer frequently.

McElyea, a frontline family physician working in emergency rooms in eastern and southern Oklahoma, said the gunshot victim who came in normally would have been no problem to transfer out of a small hospital that had no neurosurgeon and minimal critical-care capacities.

“We had a critical patient sitting in our ER for hours, and we simply couldn’t find a place for him to go,” McElyea said. “Another colleague in a place across the state: same situation. A traumatic brain injury with internal bleeding — couldn’t find a place to place these patients.”

The other patient with head trauma and internal bleeding was sent to Missouri, he said.

McElyea touched on one of the financial ramifications to families, too. He noted that insurers don’t pay for patients to be transferred back in state.
“Where it recently hit home for me was I had a colleague tell me they transferred a patient to South Dakota,” McElyea said. “These families have to worry about not just how their loved one is doing but how to get them back when they’re better.”
Dr. David Kendrick, chairman of the Department of Medical Informatics at the OU School of Community Medicine, said COVID patients are staying longer in ICU beds because they are trending younger and healthier.
Kendrick said that means they can tolerate being on a ventilator longer to hopefully come off it than those who were already ill before infection.

Davis said the Oklahoma Hospital Association’s members aren’t conveying any sense of a light at the end of the tunnel for overwhelmed hospitals.

“I think we’ve got a ways to go to get to a level where as a state the hospitals can breathe a sigh of relief and say, ‘We’re headed in the right direction,’” Davis said.

'This is not just COVID': Domino effect backs up Oklahoma hospitals, with no relief in sight

Oklahoma has 200 fewer staffed beds in the state than in December. “That is very much a concern because we know there’s a great deal of fatigue right now of

tulsaworld.com

Yeah don't have a problem with the above. This is the risk that's been mentioned numerous times before.

Noticed this:

Davis said, referencing monoclonal antibodies and other strategies, such as vaccination, wearing masks, socially distancing, and washing hands or using hand sanitizer frequently.

Which was a part of Joe Rogans stack. So possibly this is what made covid a minor issue. Majority of people don't get it that bad to begin with. Also for all I know he might have been vaccinated.

Now why is it important to know if any of these drugs work?
Because when the hospitals eventually fill up and it overwhelms the health sector. You might be desperate for an easily accessible treatment when you are left to die.

 

[basilio]

The pressure of COVID on hospitals closer to home.

Sarah arrived at work to see ambulances banked up. She knew they were coming for her

The ABC asked healthcare workers across the country to talk to us about their experiences in the system. These are their stories.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Humid]

How was fathers day you go to see "big daddy"?

It gets even better https://www.news.com.au/finance/wor...m/news-story/1467cdbfade0226c10348dd92c1bf3a0

you guys ok over there?

Off to the airport.....back to work
Someone has to keep you eastcoast bludgers

 

[moXJO]

Off to the airport.....back to work
Someone has to keep you eastcoast bludgers

Hey, we are hard at work giving you other government loving states sht. You guys will be wanting to get labor microchip implants next.

We will open up after we spread the 'Sydney sneeze' round a bit. The panic from some of you softer states will turn attention.

 

[basilio]

Update on spread of delta COVID in US. Population Texas 29m

345 children hospitalized with COVID-19 in Texas over weekend​

The Texas State Health Department revealed Sunday 345 children were hospitalized with COVID-19 over the weekend.

As of Sunday, there were 73 available staffed pediatric ICU beds, according to the health department.

Since school began in the state last month, 52,000 students have tested positive for the virus, the health department data shows.

Stillwater, Oklahoma, declares state of emergency, overflow tents set up

COVID-19 updates: 345 children currently hospitalized with coronavirus in Texas

The United States is facing a COVID-19 surge this summer as the more contagious delta variant spreads.

abcnews.go.com

781 students quarantined at Texas school district after mass COVID-19 spread

At least 45 school districts around Texas have been forced to temporarily stop in-person classes because of COVID-19 spread.

www.nwahomepage.com

 

[IFocus]

Hey, we are hard at work giving you other government loving states sht. You guys will be wanting to get labor microchip implants next.

We will open up after we spread the 'Sydney sneeze' round a bit. The panic from some of you softer states will turn attention.

All ready got them they go in right next to Marks tattoo.

 

[moXJO]

All ready got them they go in right next to Marks tattoo.

Extra 5 schooners if you get albo clinging to marks leg.

 

[bellenuit]

Can you post an article on Trump banning masks from schools. As I was unaware of this one
Majority of masks don't protect you either. That's false information.

You didn't read what I posted. I said his cohorts are doing it. Or to be precise I should d have said they are banning mandatory mask wearing in schools.

U.S. opens investigations into bans on school mask mandates in 5 states

The U.S. Department of Education is opening civil rights investigations to determine whether five states that have banned schools from requiring masks are discriminating against students with disabilities, the agency said on Monday.

www.reuters.com

 

[moXJO]

You didn't read what I posted. I said his cohorts are doing it. Or to be precise I should d have said they are banning mandatory mask wearing in schools.

U.S. opens investigations into bans on school mask mandates in 5 states

The U.S. Department of Education is opening civil rights investigations to determine whether five states that have banned schools from requiring masks are discriminating against students with disabilities, the agency said on Monday.

www.reuters.com

Well that just reinforced my argument about not jumping up and down about Biden even more. Biden's whole platform was to "do the coronavirus right".

Meanwhile it looks like it's turning to sht. Along with the border, Afghanistan, the economy, respect from the world, or being feared for that matter.


Is the current health/science guidelines that kids need to wear masks?
I honestly haven't checked. I bloody hope not.

 

[bellenuit]

Well that just reinforced my argument about not jumping up and down about Biden even more.

It hasn't reinforced anything you said. You don't set the guidelines on mask wearing and any prejudice you may have against it is of no concern. There have been sufficient health studies to justify it in most circumstances. Banning mandating of masks defeats its effectiveness.

Masks aside, you have ignored everything else that I raised such as demonising of health workers.

Can you tell me what Biden is doing that is causing the current outbreak to be worse than it should be? He is following the scientific guidelines while Trump's cohorts are going their best to thwart them. He can't personally defeat the virus and he needs all states pulling together to have any effect, Those pulling against him are GOP controlled states, who now happen to have some of the worst affected populations.

 

[basilio]

Excellent graphical overview of where Australia is going with COVID.

Check out the graph of our current new cases. It is not good.

Covid Australia vaccine rollout tracker: total number of people and per cent vaccinated, daily vaccine doses and rate of progress

How does Australia’s coronavirus vaccine rollout and schedule compare with other countries, when will Australia be fully vaccinated and when will you be eligible to get your dose? We bring together the latest numbers on daily new Covid-19 cases, as well as stats and live data on total...

www.theguardian.com