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Will the "Corona Virus" turn into a worldwide epidemic or fizzle out?

  • Yes

    Votes: 37 49.3%

  • No

    Votes: 9 12.0%

  • Bigger than SARS, but not worldwide epidemic (Black Death/bubonic plague)

    Votes: 25 33.3%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 4 5.3%
  • Total voters
    75
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DB008 said:
100%. Covid-19 variants will probably turn into a yearly flu jab (maybe).

The cliff notes are - just get the jab.

My 2nd Pfizer jab was back at the end of July. No issues at all. If a booster jab becomes a thing (prefer Moderna or Johnson & Johnson), l'd get it right now. I think the biggest issue in Australia is the lack of supply. The Federal Government should also have the capability to make mRNA vaccine, we as a nation are exposed if we don't have that capability (compare the Chinese vaccine (Sinovac) effectiveness (65.9%, 90.3% for hospitalisation) to Pfizer/Moderna (90%)).


Sinovac - https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2107715







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Agree 110%
 
The stress on hospitals of sick unvaccinated COVID patients in Oklahoma is been exacerbated by a steep rise in poisonings from people taking imvermetcin.
It has now reached the stage where hospitals can't even treat the patients who present with gunshot wounds...

Oklahoma hospitals deluged by ivermectin overdoses, doctor says​

Jason McElyea says people overdosing on anti-parasitic drug that some people believe without evidence can cure or treat Covid

... “The [emergency rooms] are so backed up that gunshot victims were having hard times getting to facilities where they can get definitive care and be treated.

“Ambulances are stuck at the hospital waiting for a bed to open so they can take the patient in and they don’t have any, that’s it. If there’s no ambulance to take the call, there’s no ambulance to come to the call.”

McElyea told the Tulsa World a colleague was forced to send one severely ill Covid patient to a hospital in South Dakota, three states away to the north.

“They had sat in a small hospital needing to be in an [intensive care unit] for several days, and that was the closest ICU that was available,” he said.

www.theguardian.com

Ivermectin misuse adding to Covid pressures at Oklahoma hospitals, doctor says

Jason McElyea says people overdosing on anti-parasitic drug that some people believe without evidence can cure or treat Covid
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
 
moXJO said:
Hey how's "State Daddy" going?
Did the whole state have to dance for him or something today. Or was a simple sacrifice enough?
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You would have found him in Rockingham, bogan cultural centre god love them.
 
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Concerned about the safety of mRNA vaccines?

This study of 6.2 million people who got 11.8 million doses is immensely reassuring. https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2784015


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Ok, so Joe Rogan caught covid then said he cured it in about 3 days using "Monoclonal antibodies, ivermectin, Z-pak, prednisone, everything. And I also got an anti-D drip and a vitamin drip."
 
moXJO said:
Ok, so Joe Rogan caught covid then said he cured it in about 3 days using "Monoclonal antibodies, ivermectin, Z-pak, prednisone, everything. And I also got an anti-D drip and a vitamin drip."
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Excellent. And in the next couple of months all our local Joe Rogan wannabes can chance their arm with COVID. State and Federal governments have made it clear that when vaccination rates reach 70-80% Australia opens up. Then we can see what happens when delta COVID gets a good clear run at the proud independents who trust their God, their Vitamin D, their invermection and their general excellent health to protect them.

Clearly COVID isn't the Plague. Probably out of 2 million unvaccinated people no more that 25-30,000 should die and maybe another 180,000 get seriously ill. Of course that assumes they end up in our health system at all.

The most significant opening up will occur once 80 per cent of the 16+ population has had two doses of a vaccine, in line with the National Cabinet plan.

"It is not going away until we get 80 per cent of people through the vaccination program," Mr Andrews cautioned.

"And even then it will be very challenging, because we will open up and it will tear through the people who are not vaccinated.
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"That's the peak. That's the spike that we are going to have to manage."

www.abc.net.au

COVID will 'tear through the people who are not vaccinated', once targets are met Andrews says

Victoria records 183 new locally acquired cases of COVID-19 as the state pushes to get vaccination rates ahead of a rapidly growing outbreak.
www.abc.net.au www.abc.net.au
 
basilio said:
Excellent. And in the next couple of months all our local Joe Rogan wannabes can chance their arm with COVID. State and Federal governments have made it clear that when vaccination rates reach 70-80% Australia opens up. Then we can see what happens when delta COVID gets a good clear run at the proud independents who trust their God, their Vitamin D, their invermection and their general excellent health to protect them.

Clearly COVID isn't the Plague. Probably out of 2 million unvaccinated people no more that 25-30,000 should die and maybe another 180,000 get seriously ill. Of course that assumes they end up in our health system at all.

The most significant opening up will occur once 80 per cent of the 16+ population has had two doses of a vaccine, in line with the National Cabinet plan.

"It is not going away until we get 80 per cent of people through the vaccination program," Mr Andrews cautioned.


"That's the peak. That's the spike that we are going to have to manage."

www.abc.net.au

COVID will 'tear through the people who are not vaccinated', once targets are met Andrews says

Victoria records 183 new locally acquired cases of COVID-19 as the state pushes to get vaccination rates ahead of a rapidly growing outbreak.
www.abc.net.au www.abc.net.au
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Victoria had a hard lockdown last time I checked. Everyone was whinging about how hard lockdown was the only way. Big fkning fail as it turns out. You just delay the inevitable.

I'd be interested in the cost of Rogans treatment as he was tested positive.

So someone is bullshittting.
 
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basilio said:
The Johns Hopkins COVID resource centre gives an excellent snapshot of the current state of play with infections. The US is now approaching 200k cases a day after dropping to 20k a day in July 2021.

coronavirus.jhu.edu

New COVID-19 Cases Worldwide - Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center

Have countries flattened the curve? Daily confirmed new COVID-19 cases for the most affected countries over time.
coronavirus.jhu.edu coronavirus.jhu.edu
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Shouldn't you be blaming Biden and jumping up and down about how terrible he is. Or do we not notice the obvious difference this time round.
 
moXJO said:
Shouldn't you be blaming Biden and jumping up and down about how terrible he is. Or do we not notice the obvious difference this time round.
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Why? Don't you read the news? Who is being infected and why they are being infected? Why are the huge increases mainly in states with GOP governors and whose populations are influenced by officials who are willing to put their own population at risk to score political points?

Is Biden out there saying that COVID is a hoax or to take some weird medication to stop it? Is he passing laws making it illegal for schools and other institutions to mandate masks to protect their attendees? Is he the one trying to discredit the CDC? Is he the one that is demonising those who are in the front line of prevention, so that many are scared to go to work for fear of violence against them? One could go on.

If you don't understand why there is a difference this time round then .... it is probably better left unsaid.
 
In my local region, a company called Med-Con came into prominence as the only mask maker in Australia.
From Sheppnews

Shepparton face mask manufacturer Med-Con has shed 90 staff since November, after demand for Australian-made surgical grade masks dropped in favour of importing cheaper products.
Med-Con chief executive Steven Csiszar said the Lemnos factory just outside Shepparton produced masks for "everyone" in 2020, "working cleverly" to fit orders from state health departments in around a whopping 60 million mask contract from the Commonwealth Government.
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We helped everyone,” Mr Csiszar said.
Before the pandemic Med-Con made two million masks a year and employed 14 people.

Demand skyrocketed as the virus set in, seeing international supply chains falter and Australian governments scramble to secure locally made face masks.
Med-Con was the solution — the only Australian factory capable of producing the desperately needed masks at the time.
The Med-Con factory shifted gears, employing 150 staff during its busiest period.
In what truly resembled a war-time effort, defence personnel were called in to plug the gaps until Med-Con had enough machinery and employees to operate 24 hours a day, seven days a week.
Working around the clock, the Med-Con team fulfilled its 60 million mask order from the Federal Government by December 2020.
But Mr Csiszar said the state health departments that relied on Med-Con during a crucial time in 2020 were nowhere to be seen when international trade picked up again.
“We haven't had an order from any of the state health departments now for months,” he said.
“The assumptions we can make are they either have too much stock, which is unlikely, or they've gone back to international suppliers.”
In March 2020 Med-Con commissioned three new mask-making machines from Echuca company Foodmach, providing a much-needed boost for local industry.
Now eight of its 10 machines sit idle most days, and Med-Con struggles to shift stock from the factory floor.
Its team is shrinking rapidly towards pre-pandemic proportions, with just 25 employees retaining a job.
Mr Csiszar said Med-Con was "very fortunate" to have a five-year contract with the Commonwealth Government to continue manufacturing a stockpile of face masks.
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State governments are always quick to blame the feds when things are not ready (a good many times with justification).
But as usual, their own short sighted attitudes don't help.
Some of of Med Con's products are sold in Pharmacies (at least they are locally), and of course we all try to buy the local stuff.
But it seems that a lot of people are happy to buy the cheapest made in China stuff, including state governments.
Mick
 
bellenuit said:
Why? Don't you read the news? Who is being infected and why they are being infected? Why are the huge increases mainly in states with GOP governors and whose populations are influenced by officials who are willing to put their own population at risk to score political points?

Is Biden out there saying that COVID is a hoax or to take some weird medication to stop it? Is he passing laws making it illegal for schools and other institutions to mandate masks to protect their attendees? Is he the one trying to discredit the CDC? Is he the one that is demonising those who are in the front line of prevention, so that many are scared to go to work for fear of violence against them? One could go on.

If you don't understand why there is a difference this time round then .... it is probably better left unsaid.
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Biden was the exact one saying it was a hoax only by proxy. It was in fact the Democrats that created the confusion.

Factcheck.org: "Trump did use the word ‘hoax’ but his full comments, and subsequent explanation, make clear he was talking about Democratic attacks on his administration’s handling of the outbreak, not the virus itself."

The Washington Post Fact Checker: "The context of the full quote shows Trump criticized Democratic talking points and media’s coverage of his response to the coronavirus, but does not call the virus itself a hoax."

Snopes: "Despite creating some confusion with his remarks, Trump did not call the coronavirus a hoax."

AP Fact Check: "The accusation is misleading. So is the selective video editing that made it appear Trump was calling the coronavirus a ‘new hoax.’"
 
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