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Coronavirus (COVID-19/SARS-CoV-2) outbreak discussion

Will the "Corona Virus" turn into a worldwide epidemic or fizzle out?

  • Yes

    Votes: 37 49.3%

  • No

    Votes: 9 12.0%

  • Bigger than SARS, but not worldwide epidemic (Black Death/bubonic plague)

    Votes: 25 33.3%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 4 5.3%
  • Total voters
    75
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mullokintyre said:
And therein lies the problem.
People pick and choose the sources as they see fit.
Instead of providing coherent, logical reasons, people bag the source.
Its so much easier than having to back anything up.
Look at the those who hate the ABC, hate the Guardian, hate anything from "the Murdoch Press".
No wonder the world is so divided.
Mick
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Nuh . I check out posts from Zero Hedge. They aren't all extra right wing poisonous rubbish. Much is but not all.. :cautious:

But essentially when I notice a wide disregard for facts as well as quite an extreme political view I wouldn't put it my list of go to sites.

You might have also noticed that I directly addressed the question Wayne raised regarding the use of Invermectin on it's merits.
 
Zerohedge is like the internet at large - amongst 10,000 posts of absolute drivel there is some genuine brilliance if you know how to recognise it.
 
basilio said:
You might have also noticed that I directly addressed the question Wayne raised regarding the use of Invermectin on it's merits.
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Relying on sources other than medical science for claims about drugs is not a good practice, yet has been consistent by some posters in this thread.
Ivermectin is not a recommended treatment protocol according to world experts, but seems to have taken over from hydroxychloroquine in the pseudoscience realm.
 
wayneL said:
I put these articles up for interest and for debate. if they are debunked then that is good, that is good information for me
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So you don't care if they have been debunked already, you will post them anyway? If they have been debunked then what you are posting is misleading, but you are relying on others to point out the faults to you.

I don't care what vaccines you may have taken, if you act like an anti-vaxxer then you are an anti-vaxxer in my eyes. I don't recall you ever posting anything positive about the COVID vaccines just always pointing to negative articles "in the interests of debate".

It's so similar to the people who start their posts with "I am not an anti-vaxxer BUT... " and then continue to only post negative garbage about vaccines with no fact checking.
 
bellenuit said:
So you don't care if they have been debunked already, you will post them anyway? If they have been debunked then what you are posting is misleading, but you are relying on others to point out the faults to you.

I don't care what vaccines you may have taken, if you act like an anti-vaxxer then you are an anti-vaxxer in my eyes. I don't recall you ever posting anything positive about the COVID vaccines just always pointing to negative articles "in the interests of debate".

It's so similar to the people who start their posts with "I am not an anti-vaxxer BUT... " and then continue to only post negative garbage about vaccines with no fact checking.
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Fine, that makes you an idiot in my eyes.
 
Regional vic now in lockdown, authorities say we're "right on the edge of this getting away from us".

Nah, you think?
 
There are always ongoing conversations about how serious (or not so serious) COVID is in terms of deaths and overall effects on the economies of various countries.

The Economist has an excellent detailed analysis of COVID deaths around the world. It also tabulates excess deaths around the world as a way of recognising that many deaths may not be noted as COVID related simply because of inadequate recording systems in times of intense widespread illnesses.

Some examples:
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You will note that Australia doesn't get a look with the these top 20 COVID death countries. Our figures are :-

Australia .................... Apr 6th-Mar 28th 2021........... 860 ............... -4,440 ............................... -17 !

Essentially we had 4,400 fewer deaths over the last two COVID years .o_O Yep thousands of people who would normally die from seasonal flu or perhaps road accidents or something else... didn't.

www.economist.com

Tracking covid-19 excess deaths across countries

In many parts of the world, official death tolls undercount the total number of fatalities
www.economist.com www.economist.com

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One of the ongoing discussions has been on the effectiveness of Sweden's "light touch" restrictions. The graphs detailing deaths across the Northern European countries highlights what has happened to date.

Countries in northern Europe have generally experienced much lower mortality rates throughout the pandemic. Some Nordic nations have experienced almost no excess deaths at all. The exception is Sweden, which imposed some of the continent’s least restrictive social-distancing measures during the first wave.

www.economist.com

Tracking covid-19 excess deaths across countries

In many parts of the world, official death tolls undercount the total number of fatalities
www.economist.com www.economist.com

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I like the Florida approach (if we had enough supply to meet demand).

Australia and Florida have a similar population size but their COVID-19 policies are vastly different​


Australian entrepreneur Nick Sharp — originally from Victoria — runs several cafes and restaurants, and now owns an Aussie brew pub called Bay13, in Miami. His staff are free to wear masks or get vaccinated — or not, it's their choice.​
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"There's no restrictions, so everybody's free to go to work, to go to school, and to go out to restaurants or retail," he told 7.30.​
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"At the moment, down here, there's no mandates for vaccines or for masks.​
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"Like we keep saying, everybody has the choice. If you want to get vaccinated, you can. It's widely available, it's free. Testing is still readily available.​
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"And of course people, if they want to, can wear masks — and that's kind of been the stance here for quite a while now."​
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Australia's population of 26 million is comparable to Florida's 22 million, but when you consider the figures around COVID-19, the numbers are starkly different.​
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Currently, Australia's daily COVID-19 cases are being measured in the hundreds, but last week Florida recorded more than 150,000 cases.​
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The total number of deaths in Australia is still less than 1,000. Florida has now passed 41,000, by some reports.​




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over9k said:
Regional vic now in lockdown, authorities say we're "right on the edge of this getting away from us".

Nah, you think?
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are they quarantining in the rural hotels now ( say near the borders ) ??

of course that might mean they have run out of city folks willing to be tested , so have moved the testing to regional areas
 
Let's look back at 2017

https://www.statnews.com/2017/01/10/moderna-trouble-mrna/
But mRNA is a tricky technology. Several major pharmaceutical companies have tried and abandoned the idea, struggling to get mRNA into cells without triggering nasty side effects.
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In order to protect mRNA molecules from the body’s natural defenses, drug developers must wrap them in a protective casing. For Moderna, that meant putting its Crigler-Najjar therapy in nanoparticles made of lipids. And for its chemists, those nanoparticles created a daunting challenge: Dose too little, and you don’t get enough enzyme to affect the disease; dose too much, and the drug is too toxic for patients.
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It's a given that tech has moved on from 2017.

Funny how the article mentioned vaccines were loss makers back then. I bet they ain't now. I'm sure pfizer just upped their prices.

We are test subjects for a new medical breakthrough that will change the treatment of many diseases.

They still hadn't perfected it 2019
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-03072-8


And now it's being pushed out as the safest one. Whatever.... but don't go bleating anywhere on this forum that it's safe. It was out in what was literally months.



Any of you anti's might be interested in this: needs to be scrutinised for accuracy though.
mRNA, Nanolipid Particles and PEG: A Triad Never Used in Clinical Vaccines is Going to Be Tested on Hundreds of Millions of People
 
Not much mention in the media, about the protestors banners saying "the media is the virus", usually the protestors and their claims get plenty of airplay.
It mustn't fit the narrative, I bet if the banners said something derogatory about the Government, it would be splashed all over the front pages. ?
It is great to see that even the radicals, are recognising the media, for the players they are. :2twocents
 
sptrawler said:
Not much mention in the media, about the protestors banners saying "the media is the virus", usually the protestors and their claims get plenty of airplay.
It mustn't fit the narrative, I bet if the banners said something derogatory about the Government, it would be splashed all over the front pages. ?
It is great to see that even the radicals, are recognising the media, for the players they are. :2twocents
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Your obsession with what the media report is interesting.
People who protest for the right to infect others in a pandemic shows a level of hypocrisy which beggars belief.
As to what what was written on placards, what actually made sense?
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I scanned a lot of media coverage and it mostly showed people who have no idea what covid has done to other countries which tool a lax approach to its containment.
More importantly it showed that they have no respect for laws.
 
sptrawler said:
Not much mention in the media, about the protestors banners saying "the media is the virus", usually the protestors and their claims get plenty of airplay.
It mustn't fit the narrative, I bet if the banners said something derogatory about the Government, it would be splashed all over the front pages. ?
It is great to see that even the radicals, are recognising the media, for the players they are. :2twocents
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The radicals were the first ones saying it...
 
over9k said:
It's hard to win an argument with an intelligent person, but it's damn well impossible to win an argument with an idiot.
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possibly two rampant diseases, Sars-Cov2 and Dunning-Kruger

Doctor google sez
Dunning-Kruger effect, in psychology, a cognitive bias whereby people with limited knowledge or competence in a given intellectual or social domain greatly overestimate their own knowledge or competence in that domain relative to objective criteria or to the performance of their peers or of people in general.

haha .."or of people in general" !!
https://www.britannica.com/science/Dunning-Kruger-effect
 
Joules MM1 said:
Dunning-Kruger effect, in psychology, a cognitive bias whereby people with limited knowledge or competence in a given intellectual or social domain greatly overestimate their own knowledge or competence in that domain relative to objective criteria or to the performance of their peers or of people in general.
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In other words, too stupid to know they are stupid. John Cleese references Dunning in this short video on the subject...

 
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