Brings back family memories. My mother was one of seven children. Three of them died before the age of four due to diphtheria.
Coronavirus (COVID-19/SARS-CoV-2) outbreak discussion
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Brings back family memories. My mother was one of seven children. Three of them died before the age of four due to diphtheria.
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Excellent analysis of the cost of dealing with COVID.
Few highlights.
..Had NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian called a two-week lockdown when the Delta variant first appeared in beachside Bondi — and it worked — the total cost would have been less than $3 billion.
AMP Capital's Shane Oliver last week put the total bill so far at $17 billion. And counting. With the variant now running rampant, the total could end up several times more, if it can be contained at all.
Business leaders and economists across the globe pressured their governments to remain open and simply deal with the pandemic the best way they could.
Except, the entire argument was wrong.
A study by management consultant group McKinsey found countries that imposed the bare minimum of restrictions were hit just as hard by the economic downturn but suffered terribly on a health and social level.
McKinsey concluded that lockdowns were not the problem. It was the virus. Health and the economy went hand in hand and countries that contained the virus best were in pole position for a rapid economic recovery.
...Premier Mark McGowan routinely is castigated for his isolationist policies and his rigid determination to keep the state COVID free. But when Brazil's iron ore exports plunged after COVID outbreaks crippled its mines following a refusal by Brazil's President Jair Bolsonaro to acknowledge the seriousness of the pandemic, WA's mines picked up the slack.
The end result? Australia shipped record amounts of ore as prices soared, swelling the federal government tax coffers at a crucial time.
In the absence of vaccines, it pays to be decisive.
www.abc.net.au
Few highlights.
..Had NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian called a two-week lockdown when the Delta variant first appeared in beachside Bondi — and it worked — the total cost would have been less than $3 billion.
AMP Capital's Shane Oliver last week put the total bill so far at $17 billion. And counting. With the variant now running rampant, the total could end up several times more, if it can be contained at all.
...Health or economy – a false choice
Remember the stark choice last year when the first wave of the pandemic hit? You could have either a healthy population or a vibrant economy. But you couldn't have both.Business leaders and economists across the globe pressured their governments to remain open and simply deal with the pandemic the best way they could.
Except, the entire argument was wrong.
A study by management consultant group McKinsey found countries that imposed the bare minimum of restrictions were hit just as hard by the economic downturn but suffered terribly on a health and social level.
McKinsey concluded that lockdowns were not the problem. It was the virus. Health and the economy went hand in hand and countries that contained the virus best were in pole position for a rapid economic recovery.
...Premier Mark McGowan routinely is castigated for his isolationist policies and his rigid determination to keep the state COVID free. But when Brazil's iron ore exports plunged after COVID outbreaks crippled its mines following a refusal by Brazil's President Jair Bolsonaro to acknowledge the seriousness of the pandemic, WA's mines picked up the slack.
The end result? Australia shipped record amounts of ore as prices soared, swelling the federal government tax coffers at a crucial time.
In the absence of vaccines, it pays to be decisive.
The NSW Government's failure to act swiftly and contain the Delta outbreak has cost our state heavily
As a health strategy, the soft lockdown approach has been an abject failure. From a national economic viewpoint, the ongoing apprehension about total lockdown has come at enormous cost, writes Ian Verrender.
www.abc.net.au
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I probably see anywhere from 2 to 7 clients every working day. As I've only been back in Perth for 3 1/2 months, most are fairly, or very new to me.
As it is topical, the conversation invariably revolves around the covid drugs as I am working.
I haven't really quantified it in a formal way, but it seems to me that although I haven't met any genuine anti-vaxxers (in the overall sense), I would say somewhere around half are either hesitant, or at this stage do not want to have the injection at all.
These are just ordinary people with a reasonable amount of wealth, mostly high paying jobs or small business owners, who can afford horses, not a radical among them.
Just and observation for what it's worth.
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Another top level doctor exploding the vaccine myth. He has treated 6000 patients with Covid using his protocol.
tsionizm.com
We need to wake up.
Dr. Vladimir Zelenko Testifies In Front Of Rabinnical Court In Israel On 'The Death Shots' - Tsionizm
Why Would You Vaccinate Children? Only If You Believe In Child Sacrifice.
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Zero data to back his claims.Another top level doctor exploding the vaccine myth. He has treated 6000 patients with Covid using his protocol.
We need to wake up.Dr. Vladimir Zelenko Testifies In Front Of Rabinnical Court In Israel On 'The Death Shots' - Tsionizm
Why Would You Vaccinate Children? Only If You Believe In Child Sacrifice.
Zelenko is so ignorant of vaccines that he does not understand the concept of "breakthroughs." Nor does he understand that the vaccine's spike protein is non-replicating.
His claims on miscarriages is proven false, which is consistent with the lack of knowledge he displayed throughout his presentation .
Why are you posting such rubbish here @pozindustrial?
Another top level doctor exploding the vaccine myth. He has treated 6000 patients with Covid using his protocol.
We need to wake up.Dr. Vladimir Zelenko Testifies In Front Of Rabinnical Court In Israel On 'The Death Shots' - Tsionizm
Why Would You Vaccinate Children? Only If You Believe In Child Sacrifice.
And they ask Why post news that doesn't fit the agenda, remember this is calculated using the actual figures from the UK Govt data
<<Table 17 of the 21st July report shows deaths due to Covid-19 by vaccination status between 29th December 2020, and 8th July 2021, just two days after alleged Covid-19 deaths have begun to rise again in Scotland. The table again shows the majority are unvaccinated, but we’ve already proven this is a deception.
As of the 8th July, 2,962 deaths were in the unvaccinated population. As of the 15th July, 2,967 deaths were in the unvaccinated population. This is an increase of 5.
As of the 8th July, 257 deaths were people who’d had just one dose of a Covid-19 vaccine, however they may have had two doses due to PHS adding them to the one dose figures if their second dose was less than 14 days prior to their death. As of the 15th July, 262 people who’d had just one dose of a Covid-19 vaccine had died of Covid-19. This is an increase of 5.
As of the 8th July, 64 deaths were in the fully vaccinated population. As of the 15th July, 92 deaths were in the fully vaccinated population. This is an increase of 28.
This means that people who’ve been vaccinated against Covid-19 account for 87% of the deaths in the third wave of deaths in Scotland that have just begun. The fully vaccinated account for 74% of the deaths that have only just begun to occur again, those who’d had a single dose account for 13% of the deaths, and the unvaccinated account for just 13% of the deaths.
EXCLUSIVE - Covid-19 deaths are rising and official data shows 87% of the people who have died were Vaccinated
Alleged Covid-19 deaths are on the rise again in the United Kingdom, with both England and Scotland seeing significant rises since the end of June, and we can e
dailyexpose.co.uk
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Sweden, despite it's detractors, continues to be right.
Australia's approach is 2 years away from being where Sweden is now. This is the deepest irony, considering he wokeness of Sweden.
www.zerohedge.com
Australia's approach is 2 years away from being where Sweden is now. This is the deepest irony, considering he wokeness of Sweden.
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ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero
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Sweden, despite it's detractors, continues to be right.
Australia's approach is 2 years away from being where Sweden is now. This is the deepest irony, considering he wokeness of Sweden.
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ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero
Well here is an idea, if you think Swedens so good how about going for gold and get us on the way to herd immunity!
Just pop over to NSW catch COVID and prove us all wrong simple.
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The problem is treatment. We are led to believe that there is no treatment option other than a vaccine. If there was a treatment option that resulted in a major reduction in deaths and hospital stay times like we normally expect from our health system there would be no problem in allowing Covid to spread. Less of a problem than the flu most years.
If you take some time to play the video link I put up four posts above you will see that such treatment options are available, they have been proven, they do work, many hospitals and doctors have been telling about it, but they have been rejected which is criminal. As I have been saying repeatedly we need to wake up to what is going on! We need to force our government leaders to stop taking advice from "experts" who have vested interests in drug companies.
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You don't really listen to yourself, do you?
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Sweden, despite it's detractors, continues to be right.
Australia's approach is 2 years away from being where Sweden is now. This is the deepest irony, considering he wokeness of Sweden.
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ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero
The Author does omit that Sweden had to further tighten those restrictions at the start of March & then were not able to begin easing them until 1 June
It will be interesting to see how they go as they are only part way through the 5 Step easing plan & cases numbers are starting to slowly tick up again.
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You continue to misunderstand the inevitability of maths.
If nobody is unvaccinated, then all cases are unvaccinated.
If everyone is vaccinated then all cases are vaccinated.
Accordingly, as vaccinated numbers increase, the share of vaccinated cases increases from 0 to 100%.
I am not sure what agenda you refer to as the actual figures you link to show exactly what we would expect.
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Still at nothing like the Australian "Ausgangsbeschränkung macht frei” junta, now us it?
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This is not the case at all. There are well documented treatments in use around the world.
Given vaccinations reduce illness, then they lower the number of potential cases needing treatment, which seems a smart option, especially as it also significantly reduces the chance of dying.
Proven treatment regimes are currently being adopted, while your link features a doctor who is so clueless he thinks vaccine spike proteins replicate after injection.
Given that 26% of the population are not vaccinated and they only make up 13% of the deaths it indicates that it may be safer to be not vaccinated with the vaccines they use in the UK.
However, the main point to my posting is the BS that once we get to X% vaccinated we can relax.
The vaccine is like the flu vaccine, if you have the wrong shot and a variant turns up you can still be in trouble.
We will eventually have to do what was forecast last year, treat the disease the same way we treat every other disease with meds that ease the symptoms while still working on a better vaccine.
The Novavax state they are a traditional vaccine, that could be interesting
However, the main point to my posting is the BS that once we get to X% vaccinated we can relax.
The vaccine is like the flu vaccine, if you have the wrong shot and a variant turns up you can still be in trouble.
We will eventually have to do what was forecast last year, treat the disease the same way we treat every other disease with meds that ease the symptoms while still working on a better vaccine.
The Novavax state they are a traditional vaccine, that could be interesting
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Without having the chance to delve deeper, one would need to know more about the make up of who is dying. 26% unvaccinated in the general population probably translates to a much lower percentage among the elderly (who are probably the vast majority of who are dying) as it was the elderly who were targeted for vaccination first and those under 40 have only recently been targeted for vaccination.
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That would make me slightly less hesitant... But still would like to satisfy myself of long-term safety.
True, not really able to nail it down but looking at general figures in UK it is still the older people making up the majority of deaths.
It also follows that >90% of older folk are vaccinated, looking at BBC charts, it is assumed that more would have died if not vaccinated.
Covid has certainly changed the world,(unfortunately) the BBs and our children have had a dream run but it is well and truly over I fear.
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But if that is the case then your argument that it may be safer to be not vaccinated with the vaccines they use in the UK doesn't hold.
Your statement should read (in relation to the population group that is experiencing the deaths): Given that 10% of that population group are not vaccinated and they make up 13% of the deaths it indicates that it may be safer to be vaccinated with the vaccines they use in the UK. The percentage of deaths of the unvaccinated is higher than their percentage make up of the population.
Although I would have expected a higher number of deaths among the unvaccinated in the UK, their proportion is staggeringly higher in the US compared to their percentage make up of the population. Perhaps the difference is related to AZ vs Pfizer, but I am sure the health systems of both countries has an effect as does the influence of the GOP, Fox and some other right wing media in the US south where many states have lost control of the situation.