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Will the "Corona Virus" turn into a worldwide epidemic or fizzle out?

  • Yes

    Votes: 37 49.3%

  • No

    Votes: 9 12.0%

  • Bigger than SARS, but not worldwide epidemic (Black Death/bubonic plague)

    Votes: 25 33.3%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 4 5.3%
  • Total voters
    75
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macca said:
I also find it weird that although two doses cannot kill the virus let's try three !
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Why is that weird? The virus has mutated and the vaccines are not as effective against the current dominant strain, Delta.

Scientists are doing their best. Earlier last year there were many articles claiming there would never be a vaccine for COVID-19. They claimed such a vaccine was scientifically impossible. But they came out with several successful vaccines that have saved millions of lives. The fact that dosages may need fine tuning is neither here nor there.
 
bellenuit said:
Why is that weird? The virus has mutated and the vaccines are not as effective against the current dominant strain, Delta.

Scientists are doing their best. Earlier last year there were many articles claiming there would never be a vaccine for COVID-19. They claimed such a vaccine was scientifically impossible. But they came out with several successful vaccines that have saved millions of lives. The fact that dosages may need fine tuning is neither here nor there.
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Virus mutate all the time so every 6 months or so, they intend to sell another round of vaccines which we repeatedly shoot into millions of people.

This is a novel treatment, we have absolutely no idea of the long term effects of mRNA "vaccine", to be repeatedly dosing people, particularly young females, with a novel treatment that Does effect their glands is crazy IMO
 
macca said:
Virus mutate all the time so every 6 months or so, they intend to sell another round of vaccines which we repeatedly shoot into millions of people.
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So you are saying that it is preferable that no booster shots are administered and accept the consequences of mass infection?

Yes there are side effects to vaccines, but I trust the experts to weigh up the probability of the side effects and the danger they pose against the probability and risk associated with infection. The CDC and national health authorities are not in the business of trying to deliberately endanger their citizens. The overwhelming consensus of experts in the field is that getting the virus is overwhelmingly more dangerous than being vaccinated.

Are you aware of the many longterm dangers associated with contracting COVID-19, even if one subsequently recovers? This is just one example:

Cognitive deficits in people who have recovered from COVID-19

DEFINE_ME

www.thelancet.com
 
bellenuit said:
Why is that weird? The virus has mutated and the vaccines are not as effective against the current dominant strain, Delta.

Scientists are doing their best. Earlier last year there were many articles claiming there would never be a vaccine for COVID-19. They claimed such a vaccine was scientifically impossible. But they came out with several successful vaccines that have saved millions of lives. The fact that dosages may need fine tuning is neither here nor there.
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so far dose Number three is identical to the first two , dose number four MIGHT be different ( and YES at least two makers are working on dose four )

there is still a hot debate over mixing manufacturers either after dose one or dose two
 
AUSTRALIAN TOURISM AD IN 2021



DYOR


( remember Sco-Mo rose to fame on the 'where the bloody hell are you ' campaign )
 
Another one I thought of the other day was for Tassie:



"Tasmania: Two heads, zero virus".
 
divs4ever said:
New agriculture visa set to be introduced

https://thebull.com.au/new-agriculture-visa-set-to-be-introduced/

???

what sort clown-show is this


hiding under the doonas are we ??

maybe we should occupy parliament house and double the productivity while we are sleeping in
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It would appear Aussies would rather be unemployed in the Cities, than move to the country towns, I guess that means we have to import regional workers. Really weird situation.
With the virus, I guess giving them permanent residency after a qualifying period, saves the issue of bringing in new workers when visas expire, which could bring new virus variants.
The Greens and Labor will be happy, as migrant workers tend to vote Labor anyway and the Greens will support the humanitarian aspect.:xyxthumbs
Win/Win country Australia gets workers, Aussie's get to stay in the cities, until they can't afford it.;)
 
sptrawler said:
It would appear Aussies would rather be unemployed in the Cities, than move to the country towns, I guess that means we have to import regional workers. Really weird situation.
With the virus, I guess giving them permanent residency after a qualifying period, saves the issue of bringing in new workers when visas expire, which could bring new virus variants.
The Greens and Labor will be happy, as migrant workers tend to vote Labor anyway and the Greens will support the humanitarian aspect.:xyxthumbs
Win/Win country Australia gets workers, Aussie's get to stay in the cities, until they can't afford it.;)
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Overseas farm workers are the most exploited people in Australia - that's why most Aussies avoid the sector.
If our government had a brain they would integrate refugee resettlement into the scheme as these are displaced people who actually need a country to accept them.
 
rederob said:
Overseas farm workers are the most exploited people in Australia - that's why most Aussies avoid the sector.
If our government had a brain they would integrate refugee resettlement into the scheme as these are displaced people who actually need a country to accept them.
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There are a number of outstanding success stories around settling refugees in country tows. Nhill has had an amazing renaissance since 200 Karen refugees boosted their local industry.

amesnews.com.au

Refugee settlement at Nhill – ten years on

It’s close to sundown and the birdsong reaches an end-of-day crescendo as a small group of people carrying hoes and rakes drift among the...
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www.tandfonline.com
 
This is how dodgy the narrative is, pure project fear. Unless the government has you so terrified, and your limbic system has taken over completely, we should all know by now that there is a very slim chance of becoming hospitalized with the beer-wog, and an even slimmer chance of dying.

This statement front Mao Tse Dan this not only complete bulshit, it shows how the Australian public is being gaslit by these @ssholes.

Our politicians should give us truth, facts, data... Not some completely fabricated binary crap that if you take a step outside your front door that you will end up in hospital.

Am I view this is criminal and any such politician indulging in this sort of fear mongering should be removed forthwith, by whatever means is necessary.

 
wayneL said:
This is how dodgy the narrative is, pure project fear. Unless the government has you so terrified, and your limbic system has taken over completely, we should all know by now that there is a very slim chance of becoming hospitalized with the beer-wog, and an even slimmer chance of dying.

This statement front Mao Tse Dan this not only complete bulshit, it shows how the Australian public is being gaslit by these @ssholes.

Our politicians should give us truth, facts, data... Not some completely fabricated binary crap that if you take a step outside your front door that you will end up in hospital.

Am I view this is criminal and any such politician indulging in this sort of fear mongering should be removed forthwith, by whatever means is necessary.

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Hmm. And people wonder why we don't trust the media and governments anymore? Remember folks trust the science, unless you are a politician, then trust who's giving your political party donations. Never trust a politician.

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rederob said:
Overseas farm workers are the most exploited people in Australia - that's why most Aussies avoid the sector.
If our government had a brain they would integrate refugee resettlement into the scheme as these are displaced people who actually need a country to accept them.
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I'm quite sure, the very same refugees and migrant workers, that move into these country towns, will in 20 years time be renting their investment home in Sydney, to the same unemployed who refuse to go bush currently.
Win/Win really.
As Bas posted there are plenty of stories of post Vietnam refugees who came to Australia, settled in country towns and did extremely well, there aren't many long term unemployed who have become financially independent. But that is their right, I have a close relative, who would rather be in the City in dos house, than go bush for a job.
Luckily he is empowered to do so and fortunately there are plenty of less fortunate overseas workers, that will jump at the opportunity.
Like I said Win/Win, hopefully they keep the scheme going post covid, country towns are always looking to increase their size and many are dying.
 
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Time-lapse video of cultured bat brain cells that start out looking pretty normal. Then infection with SARS-CoV-2 causes them to fuse with other cells, scrunch-up, die & burst open. Do you really want that happening in cells in your blood vessel walls, heart etc. Get the vaccine.
 
Interesting stat
Total covid cases overall in:
NSW 18800
VIC 21526

Total Deaths:
NSW 128
VIC 820

Given that nsw has primarily delta, probably safe to assume that delta is not the threat the original covid was.
 
Vaccine hesitancy, is obviously still a major concern.
www.abc.net.au

Victorians urged to fill thousands of available vaccine appointments

Premier Daniel Andrews says people should book in to get the jab as soon as possible as the state grapples to pull its worsening Delta outbreak under control. Out of 71 new local cases, only 16 were quarantined while infectious.
www.abc.net.au www.abc.net.au
From the article:

Key points:​

  • The Premier said around 10,000 people were abandoning appointments each day
  • He has urged everyone to head to the appointments and support the state in "vaccinating our way out of this"
  • Epidemiologist Tony Blakely has suggested an extended "soft lockdown" as an option if the current restrictions fail to pull up the outbreak
 
moXJO said:
Interesting stat
Total covid cases overall in:
NSW 18800
VIC 21526

Total Deaths:
NSW 128
VIC 820

Given that nsw has primarily delta, probably safe to assume that delta is not the threat the original covid was.
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I guess you would have to work out the ratio, pre Delta and post Delta.
 
sptrawler said:
Vaccine hesitancy, is obviously still a major concern.
www.abc.net.au

Victorians urged to fill thousands of available vaccine appointments

Premier Daniel Andrews says people should book in to get the jab as soon as possible as the state grapples to pull its worsening Delta outbreak under control. Out of 71 new local cases, only 16 were quarantined while infectious.
www.abc.net.au www.abc.net.au
From the article:

Key points:​

  • The Premier said around 10,000 people were abandoning appointments each day
  • He has urged everyone to head to the appointments and support the state in "vaccinating our way out of this"
  • Epidemiologist Tony Blakely has suggested an extended "soft lockdown" as an option if the current restrictions fail to pull up the outbreak
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And yet he still Blames the Feds for not providing enough vaccines.
is it any wonder there is confusion and distrust.
There has been much publicity about the modelling from the Doherty Institute that suggests the there will never be covid elimination,
and states should start opening up once we reach 70% vax rate , and mostly open once we reach 80%.
But almost as soon as that comes out, the a bunch of different experts say it will cause up to 25,000 deaths.
From Todays Australian
Australia faces more than 25,000 Covid-19 deaths and hundreds of thousands of long coronavirus cases if Scott Morrison sticks with his plan to open the nation with an 80 per cent vaccination rate, a cross-university group of academics claims.
In a study for the Australian National University, a group of economists and medical researchers say the Doherty Institute’s thresholds for reopening Australia are too low and the nation should not loosen restrictions until 90 per cent of Australia’s entire population – including children – has had two shots.

Even then, the academics – from ANU, the University of Melbourne and the University of Western Australia – say Australians will need a third booster shot, especially if they received Vaxzevria (previously AstraZeneca), and 95 per cent of vulnerable groups and people over 60 are fully vaccinated.
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Why you would include a bunch of economists in a study on a medical issue is completely beyond me.
Mick
 
mullokintyre said:
And yet he still Blames the Feds for not providing enough vaccines.
is it any wonder there is confusion and distrust.
There has been much publicity about the modelling from the Doherty Institute that suggests the there will never be covid elimination,
and states should start opening up once we reach 70% vax rate , and mostly open once we reach 80%.
But almost as soon as that comes out, the a bunch of different experts say it will cause up to 25,000 deaths.
From Todays Australian

Why you would include a bunch of economists in a study on a medical issue is completely beyond me.
Mick
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Ask @rederob he knows, apparently it is fact, because the economists used data. ?
It just doesn't matter a crap, what data, apparently.
We have been discussing this very issue, in the corona vaccine news thread, it should be a good laugh if you are bored.:xyxthumbs
Starts at post# 979 page 49.
 
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