Coronavirus (COVID-19/SARS-CoV-2) outbreak discussion

[IFocus]

The proof is in the pudding. NSW Sydney has the highest density and managed to lockdown just the north shore and still come up golden.
Vic couldn't run a greasy stick up a pigs ass with a drilling rig in tow.

I know plenty of high level public servants and all States fudge it

Mo keep up, apparently the NSW's model of containment is unlikely to cope with the infection rate of this new strain

The Vic's will be hard pressed to contain the current out break.

If it gets loose in NSW and they keep the same model heaven forbid that the epidemiologists fears come about.

 

[moXJO]

Mo keep up, apparently the NSW's model of containment is unlikely to cope with the infection rate of this new strain

The Vic's will be hard pressed to contain the current out break.

If it gets loose in NSW and they keep the same model heaven forbid that the epidemiologists fears come about.

I highly doubt that nsw will lock the whole thing down.

How many of you guys are vaccinated?

 

[SirRumpole]

Not yet.

 

[moXJO]

My mate offered to get me in on a pfizer vaccine. I'd rather get it done with now. Might see what's locally available though.

The honest truth is that I haven't even given it a second thought, which is probably what the rest of you are doing.

I'm going to get it before you all just so I can rub it in all your faces and bragging rights.

 

[sptrawler]

Why choose poor journalism from an opinion piece over the facts?

Because the media, who I constantly criticise, choose to print it.
Why don't you ask them? instead of criticising me for criticise them. ?

 

[rederob]

Because the media, who I constantly criticise, choose to print it.
Why don't you ask them? instead of criticising me for criticise them. ?

You said "The whole article is worth a read".
The whole article was crap.
You might want to check that what you link to is truly as good as you proclaim!
Anyone for Fox?

 

[sptrawler]

You said "The whole article is worth a read".
The whole article was crap.
You might want to check that what you link to is truly as good as you proclaim!
Anyone for Fox?

WHICH is what I say about most journalism these days most is crap, and YOU keep telling me not to blame the media, they printed the 'story' I said it was worth a read.
If it was bagging Morrison, you would be applauding.?
KEEP YOUR HAIR ON MATE. ? ? ? ? ?
Just because it was criticising China it upsets you, when it criticises Australia, it upsets us.

As you would say, don't blame the media, for a poorly run Country. ?

 

[rederob]

WHICH is what I say about most journalism these days most is crap, and YOU keep telling me not to blame the media, they printed the 'story' I said it was worth a read.
If it was bagging Morrison, you would be applauding.?
KEEP YOUR HAIR ON MATE. ? ? ? ? ?
Just because it was criticising China it upsets you, when it criticises Australia, it upsets us.

Won't we all be better off with links to credible information?
Morrison is a proven failure and does not the media to reinforce his shortcomings.
I am wondering if the Olympics will include an event for national leaders who can backflip. I reckon Morrison is a shoo-in.

 

[sptrawler]

Not yet.

Neither me or the missus yet, just love living on the edge.
Hey @IFocus , down your way, you have a better chance of being taken by a great white, than covid. Really with the Forrest Hwy no one goes your was anymore.?
Excepts for me on the bike, Southern Estuary road is so nice. ?

 

[sptrawler]

Won't we all be better off with links to credible information?
Morrison is a proven failure and does not the media to reinforce his shortcomings.
I am wondering if the Olympics will include an event for national leaders who can backflip. I reckon Morrison is a shoo-in.

No doubt we will soon see his score, as i said a while ago, I wouldn't be surprised to see an early election (late Oct).
Just a stab in the dark, but makes a lot of sense IMO.

By the way you just proved my point, you just couldn't stop yourself having a go at Morrison in your reply, as I said you would have applauded the 'opinion' piece, if it was taking the piss out of Morrison, but were outraged when it was taking the pizz out of China.
Does leave some credibility holes on your side, just saying. ?
Did you notice I haven't criticised China at all.?

 

[rederob]

By the way you just proved my point, you just couldn't stop yourself having a go at Morrison in your reply,

I posted Hungary's death data confirming the crap told your linked opinion piece.
You raised Morrison, and I merely confirmed his incompetence which I covered earlier in this thread.
Looks like the States might be getting some belated traction on building quarantine facilities as Morrison does yet another backflip. He's beyond useless.

 

[sptrawler]

I posted Hungary's death data confirming the crap told your linked opinion piece.

I only posted what was in the media, as you say, stop blaming the media, obviously there is truth in it because you tell me to stop criticising them when they print up crap. Obviously it is only crap when it doesn't conform to your beliefs.

You raised Morrison, and I merely confirmed his incompetence which I covered earlier in this thread.
Looks like the States might be getting some belated traction on building quarantine facilities as Morrison does yet another backflip. He's beyond useless.

As I said Morrison will be judged very soon IMO, then we will see what the majority of Australian's think.
You think China is great, many in Australia, aren't so sure, so maybe it is you that is out of step, who knows?. I certainly wouldn't presume to have the answers, unlike yourself.

Only 23% of Australians trust China to act responsibly in the world, Lowy Institute poll finds

While 51% of Australians trust the US, just 30% trust Donald Trump to act responsibly on the world stage

www.theguardian.com

 

[rederob]

I only posted what was in the media, as you say, stop blaming the media, obviously there is truth in it because you tell me to stop criticising them when they print up crap. Obviously it is only crap when it doesn't conform to your beliefs.

This is getting a bit silly.
You recommended an article to be worth reading.
Surely if it was worth reading it would be accurate?
In reply I posted a chart proving the writers claims for Hungary - by way of just one example - were completely wrong.
The chart I posted had zip to do with what anyone believed. It was one of the many facts that people lie about or distort to make spurious claims and derive baseless opinions regard covid events.

As I said Morrison will be judged very soon IMO, then we will see what the majority of Australian's think.

So what?
The question here is how Morrison is going with regard to handling covid outbreaks that are happening now.
Why have the States had to drive the agenda?
Why isn't Morrison leading?
I am critical of Morrison and have clearly stated where he falls short of being competent on covid issues. And frankly I would be as critical of anyone who was our PM and doing such a shythouse job. The difference with Morrison though is that when it comes to incompetence, he epitomises our definition of an "all rounder".

You think China is great, many in Australia, aren't so sure, so maybe it is you that is out of step, who knows?.

I post data and regularly challenge people who make claims that are unsupported to provide their evidence. If people cannot live up to that challenge then what they are choosing to believe lives in the world of propaganda. By way of example, this was the case for a majority of Republicans who falsely believed that Obama, after being President for 6 years, was a Muslim, and that Trump won the 2020 election.

I certainly wouldn't presume to have the answers, unlike yourself.

When I have useful data I present it. What people do with it is their call.
You could have defended what was worth reading in your linked article but in many posts since then have not.

 

[IFocus]

Neither me or the missus yet, just love living on the edge.
Hey @IFocus , down your way, you have a better chance of being taken by a great white, than covid. Really with the Forrest Hwy no one goes your was anymore.?
Excepts for me on the bike, Southern Estuary road is so nice. ?

Hey Mo wife and I have had the AZ, so has my whole street no issues.

SP yes shark hugging season is under way thankfully the salmon have been slow this year so not too many whites inshore as of yet.

Late last year think it was 4 or 5 times forced out of the water a couple of times you could actually see the bow wave of the white swimming under water.

 

[moXJO]

Hey Mo wife and I have had the AZ, so has my whole street no issues.

SP yes shark hugging season is under way thankfully the salmon have been slow this year so not too many whites inshore as of yet.

Late last year think it was 4 or 5 times forced out of the water a couple of times you could actually see the bow wave of the white swimming under water.

Might just go get the AZ then

 

[basilio]

Federal government support for people stood down because of COVID looking a bit thin at the moment.

The sticking point is saying that if anyone is on any other government support they aren't eligible. The facts on the ground are that many many casual workers are also on youth allowance or benefits. Simply speaking very few people can survive on just benefits or 10-15 hours of intermittent casual work. The loss of casual work in these circumstances is the difference between paying the rent or being forced out of whatever place they live. Sincerely hope this gets changed quick smart.

If anything people on benefts who are also doing some casual work are even more vulnerable than those lively soley on benefits. In the first case they will generally have costs that of living that were based (to some extent) on the extra $100-150 pw they were earning.

 

[IFocus]

Might just go get the AZ then

Most people I know took Panadol before and after which seems to quell any after symptoms

For me it was the same as the flu jab which I had two weeks before, my mother had the flu jab and Pfizer same day no problems.

The latest COVID variants are concerning.

Other than the odd blood clot AZ is fine it will keep you out of ICU should it all hit the fan.

 

[sptrawler]

This is getting a bit silly.
You recommended an article to be worth reading.
Surely if it was worth reading it would be accurate?
In reply I posted a chart proving the writers claims for Hungary - by way of just one example - were completely wrong.
The chart I posted had zip to do with what anyone believed. It was one of the many facts that people lie about or distort to make spurious claims and derive baseless opinions regard covid events.

I never said the article was right, only that it was worth a read.
I only ever said the article was an example of how poor reporting is these days and why I have a dislike of the media.
So is it because you are focusing on yourself and not about the point I was making?.

So what?
The question here is how Morrison is going with regard to handling covid outbreaks that are happening now.
Why have the States had to drive the agenda?
Why isn't Morrison leading?
I am critical of Morrison and have clearly stated where he falls short of being competent on covid issues. And frankly I would be as critical of anyone who was our PM and doing such a shythouse job. The difference with Morrison though is that when it comes to incompetence, he epitomises our definition of an "all rounder".

The States have driven the Agenda, because indeed they are in control of much of the agenda, Most will see Morrison forming a heads of State forum as a positive.
Most will see the result Australia has achieved and in most cases will credit some of it to Morrison, as I said earlir Albo needs to get his skates on, relying on the SMH and the ABC to get him over the line wont work IMO.

I post data and regularly challenge people who make claims that are unsupported to provide their evidence. If people cannot live up to that challenge then what they are choosing to believe lives in the world of propaganda. By way of example, this was the case for a majority of Republicans who falsely believed that Obama, after being President for 6 years, was a Muslim, and that Trump won the 2020 election.

You post what supports your beliefs, as does everyone else, it is just you don't acknowledge anyone else's point unless it coincides with yours

When I have useful data I present it. What people do with it is their call.
You could have defended what was worth reading in your linked article but in many posts since then have not.

I quite often give you a credit, when I think it is non biased and sensible comment, unfortunately I'm reluctant when your posting fails on one of the criteria because it becomes tainted.

 

[DB008]

Interesting....

EXCLUSIVE: High-Ranking Chinese Defector Has 'Direct Knowledge' of Several Chinese Special Weapons Programs​

A person believed to be among the highest-ranking defectors ever to the United States from the People’s Republic of China has been working with the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) for months, sources inside the intelligence community have told RedState on condition of anonymity. The defector has direct knowledge of special weapons programs in China, including bioweapons programs, those sources say.

The information provided to RedState corroborates and clarifies Thursday evening’s reporting by journalist Adam Housley.

​

RedState’s sources say that’s partially true. FBI Director Christopher Wray was “ambushed” with the information, they say, and Langley was also unaware. Sources say DIA leadership kept the defector within their Clandestine Services network to prevent Langley and the State Department from accessing the person, whose existence was kept from other agencies because DIA leadership believes there are Chinese spies or sources inside the FBI, CIA, and several other federal agencies.

Sources tell RedState the defector has been with the DIA for three months and that he has provided an extensive, technically detailed debrief to US officials. In DIA’s assessment, the information provided by the defector is legitimate. Sources say the level of confidence in the defector’s information is what has led to a sudden crisis of confidence in Dr. Anthony Fauci, adding that U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases (USAMRIID) personnel detailed to DIA have corroborated very technical details of information provided by the defector.

https://redstate.com/jenvanlaar/202...eral-chinese-special-weapons-programs-n391238​

 

[sptrawler]

Trump back in the news, demanding China pay $10trillion reparations, over Covid 19.

Trump demands China pay ‘reparations’ for role in coronavirus pandemic

Former President Trump on Saturday called for China to pay “reparations” for its role in the coronavirus pandemic amid a renewed debate around its origins.

thehill.com

From the artice:
The comment comes as the theory that COVID-19 originated in a laboratory in Wuhan, China gains renewed attention after previously being dismissed.

The World Health Organization released a report earlier this year dismissing the lab leak theory as “extremely unlikely.”

The Wall Street Journal reported last month that scientists at Wuhan’s Institute of Virology became so ill with COVID-19-like symptoms that they required hospitalization in November 2019, reigniting interest in the lab leak theory.

Anthony Fauci, the nation’s top infectious diseases expert, told The Financial Times in an interview published Friday that he wanted to see the records of the scientists who reportedly got sick.

“I would like to see the medical records of the three people who are reported to have got sick in 2019,” Fauci told the news outlet. “Did they really get sick, and if so, what did they get sick with?

Trump, who was among the first to blame a lab leak for the virus, issued a statement last month claiming vindication for the assertion, and doubled down of his use of anti-Chinese rhetoric. However, he never produced any evidence.

Trump said on Saturday that nations of the world should “work together to present China bill for a minimum of $10 trillion to compensate for the damage they've caused.”

“The damage is far, far greater than that,” Trump continued. “As a first step, all countries should collectively cancel any debt they owe to China as a down payment on reparations.”