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Will the "Corona Virus" turn into a worldwide epidemic or fizzle out?

  • Yes

    Votes: 37 49.3%

  • No

    Votes: 9 12.0%

  • Bigger than SARS, but not worldwide epidemic (Black Death/bubonic plague)

    Votes: 25 33.3%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 4 5.3%
  • Total voters
    75
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sptrawler said:
Most normal run of the mill workers aren't muppets, they know what is State and Federal responsibility, the only ones that don't are the ones that are dealing with centrelink and they blame everything on the federal government.
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Quarantine is a constitutionally clear federal responsibility.
Morrison's mob has been missing in action on this point most of the time and still don't acknowledge it!
They fluffed it big time from the outset when a shipload of passengers disembarked in Sydney last year and spread covid far and wide.
They fluffed it by not living up to their responsibility in aged care, and to this day have been a walking disaster: vaccinations of aged care workers remains inadequate while poor planning has left thousand in aged care facilities without a jab. Absolutely shameful!
sptrawler said:
To try and appeal to them, that somehow the Federal government has a say in nursing, just makes them think the argument is nonsense.
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Again, Morrison's mob was incompetent from the outset in 2020 when they failed to plan properly for any pandemic and we did not have enough PPE for hospital workers, medicos, etc.. That's aside from their mishandling of aged care.
sptrawler said:
McGowan has done a great job, so has most of the States, so has the Feds.
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Really?
Go back over a year and work out what they said or did that was so great.
Apart from using Christmas Island to quarantine Wuhan departures to Australia, telehealth, and adding to Jobseeker payments so they were livable, their efforts have been pathetic.
We still have tens of thousands of Australians stranded overseas despite Morrison suggesting he would to bring them back by last Christmas.
What about the Covid Safe app that was supposed to help the nation open up? An unmitigated failure. Across the ditch they worked out that putting a QR helped, but our States have had to take on that role as well!
But here's the clincher on federal ineptitude: look at their last two budget allocations for quarantine expenditure and see if you can find any commitment to stopping covid where it really counts, ie. before international arrivals can be safely released. It's not rocket surgery to realise that we only have outbreaks through inadequate quarantine arrangements and nothing else. And these have led to various levels of lockdowns and border closures that have severely affected our national - let alone State - economy. Little wonder many politicians are now putting the blowtorch on the feds for not upping their game and acting on their Constitution responsibility.
sptrawler said:
Constantly bagging Morrison, when Australia is actually doing really well, just wont get traction.
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It won't if people let Morrison get away with it! Only months earlier he again showed his ineptitude in mishandling catastrophic bushfire situations.
sptrawler said:
Why isn't Albo just concentrating on the post covid Australia, the future where we can go, rather than sniping an nipping at the heals of what most see as a pretty successful dealing with a bad pandemic?
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Maybe because he wants people like you to understand how much better off we could be if Morrison was able to do what he was supposed to and get things right along the way! Victorians should not again be suffering because Morrison is a failure!
sptrawler said:
So as when Morrison told the States to open their borders, they told him to sod off, it is a bit rich to lay all the failings and non of the accolades at his feet.
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Morrison has been wishy washy on borders and unable to get the States to agree on a set of standards that could be applied so that we, as Australians, could travel the nation without getting stuck somewhere or having to fork out for 2 weeks hotel quarantine and losing a fortnight's pay!
What about if you have been vaccinated and travel? It's another area where Morrison's incompetence (miserably slow rollout after failure to properly consult with States) has left him at odds with the States despite it conceptually being a good idea.
sptrawler said:
Australians are reluctant to get vaccine, because they feel safe here.
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I was told I could only be offered AZ, so was waiting for a better deal. That might happen next week as a nearby hospital has Pfizer and yesterday had excess because of reluctance. I cannot see the point in mass producing AZ when there are much safer options for Australians. The maths on AZ blood clotting is around 1:100K which I know is low, but given Pfizer and Moderna are so much safer, it's a chance we need not take. Moreover, we were promised this would not be the case and that's why our rollout was not hurried.
sptrawler said:
Labor can't win by just whining.
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Let's wait for their policies.
In the meantime Albo is doing what Oppositions do, holding Morrison to account for his ineptitude.
 
pozindustrial said:
In your article post it says:

So I say again that vaccinated people can spread the virus and this will be a possible problem once international travel is restarted because like you, they think they are immune. That opens the possibility that many will disregard protections and spread the virus from other areas.
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This is my main concern, it is been repeatedly stated throughout the world that the vaccine does not stop you from getting Covid nor does it stop you from being infectious.

The only person who gets any protection is the vaccinated person who "should" not get a serious case of Covid

Three Doctors of Indian descent who were full vaccinated thought it was safe to go back to India to help, they got Covid and died while there. (poor blokes)

I am very fortunate to live in an area that has been Covid free for over 12 months but after I visit the city I do my Covid clean up when I get home
 
macca said:
The only person who gets any protection is the vaccinated person who "should" not get a serious case of Covid
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Not true. The viral load of vaccinated people is reduced so infectiveness is reduced.
Apart from that, people not vaccinated are protected as the vaccinated "herd" inceases in number.
macca said:
Three Doctors of Indian descent who were full vaccinated thought it was safe to go back to India to help, they got Covid and died while there. (poor blokes)
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This most likely resulted from high exposure to infected people and the viral load being too great for their antibody response to counter. Or their antibody response may not have been fully developed prior to exposure.
macca said:
I am very fortunate to live in an area that has been Covid free for over 12 months but after I visit the city I do my Covid clean up when I get home
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Almost the same here, but for months now I am the only person on a bus or in a waiting area wearing a mask. It costs nothing and I also have not have had a runny nose in the past year so saved a lot on the otherwise annual purchase of cold and flu tablets!
 
There is going to be a ton of economic pain in Victoria with the 7 day shut down (God help us if it has to continue..)
Business is already demanding support to keep them viable.
I can readily sympathise with a myriad small retail businesses that have had to shut and are still trying to pay staff.

However I wonder about the big companies that did exceptionally well from the previous COVID economic support ? Will they continue to demand government funding despite banking some exceptional profits and bonuses last year as a result of that support ?
 
rederob said:
Quarantine is a constitutionally clear federal responsibility.
Morrison's mob has been missing in action on this point most of the time and still don't acknowledge it!
They fluffed it big time from the outset when a shipload of passengers disembarked in Sydney last year and spread covid far and wide.
They fluffed it by not living up to their responsibility in aged care, and to this day have been a walking disaster: vaccinations of aged care workers remains inadequate while poor planning has left thousand in aged care facilities without a jab. Absolutely shameful!

Again, Morrison's mob was incompetent from the outset in 2020 when they failed to plan properly for any pandemic and we did not have enough PPE for hospital workers, medicos, etc.. That's aside from their mishandling of aged care.

Really?
Go back over a year and work out what they said or did that was so great.
Apart from using Christmas Island to quarantine Wuhan departures to Australia, telehealth, and adding to Jobseeker payments so they were livable, their efforts have been pathetic.
We still have tens of thousands of Australians stranded overseas despite Morrison suggesting he would to bring them back by last Christmas.
What about the Covid Safe app that was supposed to help the nation open up? An unmitigated failure. Across the ditch they worked out that putting a QR helped, but our States have had to take on that role as well!
But here's the clincher on federal ineptitude: look at their last two budget allocations for quarantine expenditure and see if you can find any commitment to stopping covid where it really counts, ie. before international arrivals can be safely released. It's not rocket surgery to realise that we only have outbreaks through inadequate quarantine arrangements and nothing else. And these have led to various levels of lockdowns and border closures that have severely affected our national - let alone State - economy. Little wonder many politicians are now putting the blowtorch on the feds for not upping their game and acting on their Constitution responsibility.

It won't if people let Morrison get away with it! Only months earlier he again showed his ineptitude in mishandling catastrophic bushfire situations.

Maybe because he wants people like you to understand how much better off we could be if Morrison was able to do what he was supposed to and get things right along the way! Victorians should not again be suffering because Morrison is a failure!

Morrison has been wishy washy on borders and unable to get the States to agree on a set of standards that could be applied so that we, as Australians, could travel the nation without getting stuck somewhere or having to fork out for 2 weeks hotel quarantine and losing a fortnight's pay!
What about if you have been vaccinated and travel? It's another area where Morrison's incompetence (miserably slow rollout after failure to properly consult with States) has left him at odds with the States despite it conceptually being a good idea.

I was told I could only be offered AZ, so was waiting for a better deal. That might happen next week as a nearby hospital has Pfizer and yesterday had excess because of reluctance. I cannot see the point in mass producing AZ when there are much safer options for Australians. The maths on AZ blood clotting is around 1:100K which I know is low, but given Pfizer and Moderna are so much safer, it's a chance we need not take. Moreover, we were promised this would not be the case and that's why our rollout was not hurried.

Let's wait for their policies.
In the meantime Albo is doing what Oppositions do, holding Morrison to account for his ineptitude.
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I see you are still leading the sleepwalkers cheer squad Rob? ? Even Albo disagrees with you.
www.smh.com.au

‘I worry we are sleepwalking off a cliff’: Labor MP’s dire warning to Albanese

A Labor frontbencher has warned Anthony Albanese the party faces losing the next election and that the opposition isn’t cutting through.
www.smh.com.au www.smh.com.au
From the article:
Instead, the Labor leader is said to have told Ms Swanson that he agreed the Coalition was disciplined and on message and the ALP needed to be too – rather than talking about its internal issues.
 
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macca said:
This is my main concern, it is been repeatedly stated throughout the world that the vaccine does not stop you from getting Covid
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It is not repeatedly stated throughout the world that the vaccine does not stop you from getting Covid. It is acknowledged that some vaccinated people will get Covid, but the number is minuscule. I have already twice posted above the CDC study that shows the number of infections post vaccine is extremely negligible, but not zero. Are you saying that the CDC are lying? We have always known that the effectiveness of the vaccines are not 100%.

We have also the statistical evidence that I posted showing the decline in the rate of infections in the USA and UK since vaccination was started. Are you disputing the predominate trend shown by those figures, notwithstanding that statistics on such a scale will always have some errors.? Some statistical errors or some misclassifications are inevitable, but not to the extent that it would distort the obvious strong trend that shows a deep drop in infections following vaccination.
 
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pozindustrial said:
In your article post it says:

So I say again that vaccinated people can spread the virus and this will be a possible problem once international travel is restarted because like you, they think they are immune. That opens the possibility that many will disregard protections and spread the virus from other areas.
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Where did I say that vaccinated people are immune from the virus? You seem to have a huge difficulty distinguishing between some vaccinated people may get the virus (acknowledge by everyone involved), no vaccinated people will get the virus (a false straw argument the anti-vaxxers claim the pro vaccination lobby make, as you just did now) and no vaccinated people will get any protection (overwhelming proven false).

Yes some vaccinated people will get the virus and that is why we can expect to see everyone being encouraged to use the same precautions as before until at least herd immunity is reached, with some mitigation to those precautions as we approach that goal. But in addition to the precautions that were promoted prior to availability of the vaccines, the one predominant precaution every health official is now promoting is to GET VACCINATED.
 
sptrawler said:
I see you are still leading the sleepwalkers cheer squad Rob? ? Even Albo disagrees with you.
www.smh.com.au

‘I worry we are sleepwalking off a cliff’: Labor MP’s dire warning to Albanese

A Labor frontbencher has warned Anthony Albanese the party faces losing the next election and that the opposition isn’t cutting through.
www.smh.com.au www.smh.com.au
From the article:
Instead, the Labor leader is said to have told Ms Swanson that he agreed the Coalition was disciplined and on message and the ALP needed to be too – rather than talking about its internal issues.
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No point talking about Labor here, the LNP are running the COVID response currently a person got infected in SA from hotel quarantine (note state Liberal not that it matters however deafening silence from Federal government).

As a result causes a Melbourne lock down (Vic state Labor told by Hunt finances are all your problem)
 
IFocus said:
No point talking about Labor here, the LNP are running the COVID response currently a person got infected in SA from hotel quarantine (note state Liberal not that it matters however deafening silence from Federal government).

As a result causes a Melbourne lock down (Vic state Labor told by Hunt finances are all your problem)
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I was actually trying to make rederob aware of the lack of traction bagging Morrison is getting, Labor need to get the message out there, of what they are offering.
That is why I mentioned the sleepwalking over a cliff, it wasn't my quote, it was a labor federal member.
I personally think it is time Labor replaced the Libs federally, the economy needs a shot in the arm and it really isn't in the DNA of the conservatives to do it.
But for that to happen, Labor have to present a vision and a viable alternative, just bagging Morrison isn't going to cut it IMO.
As has been proven already in State elections, the public is very happy with the sitting incumbents handling of the virus, so it is very likely the Federal election will follow suit.
But hey i'm prepared to take criticism, it hasn't worried me in the past. ?
I just say it as I see it, I voted for McGowan in the State election, because he IMO is doing a great job, I will vote for whoever I think is offering the best vision in the Federal election.
ATM Labor aren't actually showing anything, so I will wait and see, but generally Australia seems to be travelling o.k compared to many other countries.
So Labor has the job to do, I'm hoping they start and build some momentum, a lacklustre opposition makes it easy for a lacklustre government IMO.
 
sptrawler said:
I was actually trying to make rederob aware of the lack of traction bagging Morrison is getting, Labor need to get the message out there, of what they are offering.
That is why I mentioned the sleepwalking over a cliff, it wasn't my quote, it was a labor federal member.
I personally think it is time Labor replaced the Libs federally, the economy needs a shot in the arm and it really isn't in the DNA of the conservatives to do it.
But for that to happen, Labor have to present a vision and a viable alternative, just bagging Morrison isn't going to cut it IMO.
As has been proven already in State elections, the public is very happy with the sitting incumbents handling of the virus, so it is very likely the Federal election will follow suit.
But hey i'm prepared to take criticism, it hasn't worried me in the past. ?
I just say it as I see it, I voted for McGowan in the State election, because he IMO is doing a great job, I will vote for whoever I think is offering the best vision in the Federal election.
ATM Labor aren't actually showing anything, so I will wait and see, but generally Australia seems to be travelling o.k compared to many other countries.
So Labor has the job to do, I'm hoping they start and build some momentum, a lacklustre opposition makes it easy for a lacklustre government IMO.
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Your linked article was about the outcome of a NSW byelection.
It had nothing to to with the points I raised concerning Morrison's handlingof covid, and which you have no response to.
You have a habit of blaming the media for everything except when you want to use it for your gain.
If Australia is in a good position regarding covid it is because of the efforts of the States. Each State election since covid's outbreak has confirmed this - none better than WA's.
The federal government's ineptitude was best shown in their recent budget where they proved they had no idea what to do about preventing covid at our nation's borders by alocating SFA to dedicated quarantine centres.
The fact that policy vacuums like Trump and Morrison can get elected just shows that electors are not discerning until things get tough and they work out who was responsible. Morrison pretends his governement is not responsible for what has happened every single time things have gone wrong despite the writing being very clear. He is a sad excuse for a national leader that constantly indulges in blame shifting and deflection on covid matters.
But you want to talk politics and not policy, so maybe try other threads if you want people to bite.
 
My mother is in a nursing home.

Most of the residents have not been offered a Vaccine yet.

Currently scheduled for late July for 1st shot.

I wonder if the 7% of vulnerable has increased?

This is all Federal Gov responsibility complete mess.
 
rederob said:
Australia offers a Liberal dose of clotting.

A better picture of where Australia sits is here:
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IFocus said:
My mother is in a nursing home.

Most of the residents have not been offered a Vaccine yet.

Currently scheduled for late July for 1st shot.

I wonder if the 7% of vulnerable has increased?

This is all Federal Gov responsibility complete mess.
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That is interesting IFocus, my Mum is in Bethanie Fields in Bunbury and she has had both shots, ages ago..
Also the pharmacy located at the bridge in Mandurah is doing the shots, so strange your mum hasn't had hers.
I would be asking the home she is in, what is going on, it may be a case of inept management where she is..
 
sptrawler said:
That is interesting IFocus, my Mum is in Bethanie Fields in Bunbury and she has had both shots, ages ago..
Also the pharmacy located at the bridge in Mandurah is doing the shots, so strange your mum hasn't had hers.
I would be asking the home she is in, what is going on, it may be a case of inept management where she is..
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I have asked, they are waiting on vaccine supply and delivery.
 
Quarantine is clearly Federal responsibility.

Hotel quarantine should have been a stop gap to allow time for dedicated facilities to be built, but the Feds have done nothing apart from Howard springs.

This disease is not going away. New strains will emerge that are resistant to vaccines in the same way that the flu is resistant to vaccines. Hotel quarantine will be put under pressure.

Morrison should hold a hose for once, get off his backside and build dedicated facilities or reopen existing ones that have been shut down so that Australians stranded overseas can get home in larger numbers than the dribble we have now.
 
Nothing like an outbreak to speed things up mothers nursing home now bought forward urgently also throwing two week gap between Flu and COVID vacs out the window.
 
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