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Will the "Corona Virus" turn into a worldwide epidemic or fizzle out?

  • Yes

    Votes: 37 49.3%

  • No

    Votes: 9 12.0%

  • Bigger than SARS, but not worldwide epidemic (Black Death/bubonic plague)

    Votes: 25 33.3%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 4 5.3%
  • Total voters
    75
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sptrawler said:
As we speculated early on it is more a flu shot than a vaccine, so boosters will most likely be required annually.
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The flu shot is a vaccine!
From what is known to date, not a lot is clear about the long term efficacy of a jab, and it's even more complicated given that different variants appear to have markedly different outcomes for the same vaccine. Just as flu shots cater for many different viral strains of the flu, it may be possible for covid vaccine manufacturers to also incorporate multi strain effectivity. To date I have only read that "mixing and matching" vaccine types (eg inactivated with mRNA) could be a solution to increased efficacy.
A growing concern of virologists is that as lower income nations remain poorly vaccinated, they may give rise to increasingly altered variants of covid and currently available vaccines may prove only marginally effective.
In the meantime we can only hope that as more nations come closer to herd immunity the chance of worse variants propagating will diminish.
 
rederob said:
The flu shot is a vaccine!
From what is known to date, not a lot is clear about the long term efficacy of a jab, and it's even more complicated given that different variants appear to have markedly different outcomes for the same vaccine. Just as flu shots cater for many different viral strains of the flu, it may be possible for covid vaccine manufacturers to also incorporate multi strain effectivity. To date I have only read that "mixing and matching" vaccine types (eg inactivated with mRNA) could be a solution to increased efficacy.
A growing concern of virologists is that as lower income nations remain poorly vaccinated, they may give rise to increasingly altered variants of covid and currently available vaccines may prove only marginally effective.
In the meantime we can only hope that as more nations come closer to herd immunity the chance of worse variants propagating will diminish.
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Spot on Rob, I was making reference to the fact some sections of the media, in the early days were inferring to it as it is applied to something like a polio vaccine, where the one shot is it for life. Whereas we were saying on the forum, it is a virus and as such can and will mutate, as you explained perfectly in your response. :xyxthumbs
 
Sydney is watching the highly contagious Delta COVID variation take off - but Gladys is still insisting people should be sensible, wear masks and "be careful" - but still go out and enjoy themselves.

Meanwhile SA and WA have simply closed the border to anyone coming from NSW. They are being "sensible and careful" as well.:laugh:
Vic closed the border last night.

If this gets away in NSW I wonder where it will stop. The overseas experience of this strain spreading rapidly and ruthlessly is daunting.
 
basilio said:
Sydney is watching the highly contagious Delta COVID variation take off - but Gladys is still insisting people should be sensible, wear masks and "be careful" - but still go out and enjoy themselves.

Meanwhile SA and WA have simply closed the border to anyone coming from NSW. They are being "sensible and careful" as well.:laugh:
Vic closed the border last night.

If this gets away in NSW I wonder where it will stop. The overseas experience of this strain spreading rapidly and ruthlessly is daunting.
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See how it goes. We got through the last scare just fine. NSW generally has done an exceptional job of contact tracing. And I have no doubt if the numbers get away they will simply lockdown. It has so far been the hardest working government in keeping things as normal as possible.

Avoiding lockdowns is just as important as saving lives. Billions are lost locking down.
 
moXJO said:
See how it goes. We got through the last scare just fine. NSW generally has done an exceptional job of contact tracing. And I have no doubt if the numbers get away they will simply lockdown. It has so far been the hardest working government in keeping things as normal as possible.

Avoiding lockdowns is just as important as saving lives. Billions are lost locking down.
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I gather most of the new cases were already in isolation. Can't confirm where I saw that though... but FWIW
 
wayneL said:
I gather most of the new cases were already in isolation. Can't confirm where I saw that though... but FWIW
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This new strain is very contagious. I think there is actually a lot of hidden community infections they are scrambling to trace. If they can't trace it within a certain time frame, they Start implementing harsher restrictions.
 
Sounds like a quarantine site Brisbane airport, is possible.
www.abc.net.au

Brisbane army barracks near airport proposed by PM as new quarantine hub

The Prime Minister proposes an army barracks in Brisbane as a COVID-19 quarantine site, officially killing off the stalled Wellcamp plan near Toowoomba.
www.abc.net.au www.abc.net.au
From the article:
Damascus Barracks at Pinkenba, approximately 5 minutes' drive from Brisbane Airport, be considered as a potential quarantine site.
• Within approximately one hour's vehicle transport to a tertiary hospital

• Within reasonable proximity to an international airport taking regularly scheduled international commercial passenger flights (with limited bus transfer)

• Commonwealth owned, to provide an enduring asset to support increased resilience capability.

The Damascus Barracks is approximately 30 hectares in size and is currently being used for the storage and supply of material, according to the Defence Department.

The ABC understands the site would be suitable as a quarantine site as there is empty land on which accommodation can be built.

"The site is of a suitable size and meets the Commonwealth's relevant key assessment criteria including access to an international airport taking regularly scheduled international commercial passenger flights and proximity to a principal referral hospital,"
 
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About mRNA vaccines https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.in...n-twitter-says-delete-this-1809062-2021-05-31
How can we trust anyone?and how can i or even any government make an informed decision?
If this is not manipulation...
This is what create conspiracy theories
Lies after lies, from origin of virus, real death counts, absence of treatment, there is far too much proven information/facts/ science suppressed.
So obviously any rationally thinking person ask why?
 
sptrawler said:
Isn't pneumonia what you die from, with covid?
So if the pneumonia isn't covid related, what strain of flu is it related to?
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It's a contributory factor. Below is the chart showing comparative numbers:
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The Telegraph omitted an important fact that very few deaths are directly attributed to the flu and pneumonia.
 
www.abc.net.au

Mine in lockdown, 900 workers who have left the site told to isolate after man tests positive to COVID

A major gold mine in the Northern Territory is in lockdown and 900 FIFO workers who have left the mine in recent days have been told to isolate after a worker tested positive to COVID-19.
www.abc.net.au www.abc.net.au

It was only a matter of time until Covid hit the mines.

Chief Minister Michael Gunner said the man caught the virus at a quarantine hotel in Brisbane and was potentially infectious between June 18 and 24.

He was allowed to fly on a charter plane to the mine in the Tanami Desert the following day because regional Victoria was not considered a COVID hotspot by NT authorities at that time.

...FFS Surely putting someone in a quarantine hotel for a short term stay - when we've seen most of our cases are a result of quarantine hotel f-ups is a stupid idea.

BHP and RIO would be soiling themselves right now.
 
rederob said:
Here's a strange take on using and abusing science and data, including playing with dates and countbacks:
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Brilliant, terrifying ? Fascinating mixture of stories that are known about early COVID infections (but long forgotten or ignored) and a presentation style that mixes the seemingly absurd with the directly relevant. Very cutting satire.
 
Before I comment, I need to ensure full disclosure- I have now had both doses of the AZ Vaccination., and have had zero side effects.
Its probably not all that surprising that since the start of the COVID-19 outbreak, the language has changed significantly. First it was flatten the curve, then it was to reduce prssure on the health system because we had insufficient ventilators. Then get the vaccines out, then elimination, I wonder what the next one will be. The pushing of everyone to get vaccinated has also morphed into a new phase. When the call for vaccinations for the disease went out worldwide, it was rarely spoken openly about what exactly the vaccine would give us. Most of the general public would have thought that as with so many vaccines (rubella, whooping cough, yellow fever, tetanus heppatitus B, and maybe even the flu vaccines), it would provide a level of protection against GETTING the disease. After a while, it came out that the various vacc species were mainly aimed at reducing the symptoms rather than providing immunity. Some do it better than others, but despite spending an hour or so searching and reading various articles, I am yet to find some definitive answers.
In a slightly alarming admission in the parliament from the now sacked UK health minister, he said that about 20% of the people who are hospitalised, were fully vaccinated, and a further20% had at least one dose. So 40% of those hospitalised had at least one dose of the vacc. That is hardly a ringing endorsement.
Most of the health information state that the various vaccines also help in varying degrees to helping or even stop the spreading the disease. One of the problems is that so many of the people who test positive are completely asymptomatic. We don't know how many of these people had been vaccinated, it seems these stats are not kept. So why do they not show symptoms? Do they already have a level of immunity? Do they also have reduced rates of shedding and thus are less likely to spread the disease? Again, we don't know, although there are plenty of examples of the so called "super spreaders" who are asymptomatic. This whole thing has been a giant science experiment with few controls, and even less oversight by those who are supposed to do that job.
But the most scary thing I have heard is the new language that seems to hint that even when we have got everyone vaccinated, there may still be restrictions on travel, gatherings etc. We may still have to use QR codes to tell the authorities exactly where we are, where we have been, how long we spent there etc. The WA premier has already suggested that once everyone is vaccinated, border permits and restrictions on entry may still be required.
I may have to dust off my anti conscription, anti vietnam war posters to keep the bastards prying into my entire life.
Mick
 
This lengthy analysis of the origins of COVID offers food for thought. In particular the concluding section highlights that COVID was also identified in a number of locations before being officially noted in Wuhan.

Other studies on the origin of the virus​

  • In November 2020 a study by Italy's National Cancer Institute about people who were screened for cancer in Lombardy shows that several patients already had covid antibodies in early October 2019 (paper). Quote: "antibodies were detected in 111 of 959 (11.6%) individuals, starting from September 2019 (14%), with a cluster of positive cases (>30%) in the second week of February 2020 and the highest number (53.2%) in Lombardy". Unless there is another explanation for why covid antibodies would arise in people, covid was in Italy in September 2019, three months before the outbreak in Wuhan.
  • Also in November 2020: A retrospective serological study by the CDC finds that covid antibodies were present in blood samples taken in mid December in several locations of the USA (paper)
  • Also in November 2020: a study by Libing Shen (Chinese Academy of Sciences), Funan He (Fudan University) and Zhao Zhang (University of Texas at Houston) tried to pinpoint the least mutated genetic strain of the coronavirus, which should be its phylogenetic root. They observed that the Indian subcontinent has the highest strain diversity and estimated that the earliest transmission from an animal to a human host happened in July or August 2019 (paper). According to this study, covid was born somewhere in India in the summer of 2019.
  • In December 2020 the CDC published a study that found covid in early December 2019 in Italy (paper).
  • In January 2021 Italian scientists found traces of covid in skin biopsies conducted in Milan in November 2019 (paper).
www.scaruffi.com

Was covid-19 made in Chinese lab? in a US lab?

www.scaruffi.com

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basilio said:
This lengthy analysis of the origins of COVID offers food for thought. In particular the concluding section highlights that COVID was also identified in a number of locations before being officially noted in Wuhan.

Other studies on the origin of the virus​

  • In November 2020 a study by Italy's National Cancer Institute about people who were screened for cancer in Lombardy shows that several patients already had covid antibodies in early October 2019 (paper). Quote: "antibodies were detected in 111 of 959 (11.6%) individuals, starting from September 2019 (14%), with a cluster of positive cases (>30%) in the second week of February 2020 and the highest number (53.2%) in Lombardy". Unless there is another explanation for why covid antibodies would arise in people, covid was in Italy in September 2019, three months before the outbreak in Wuhan.
  • Also in November 2020: A retrospective serological study by the CDC finds that covid antibodies were present in blood samples taken in mid December in several locations of the USA (paper)
  • Also in November 2020: a study by Libing Shen (Chinese Academy of Sciences), Funan He (Fudan University) and Zhao Zhang (University of Texas at Houston) tried to pinpoint the least mutated genetic strain of the coronavirus, which should be its phylogenetic root. They observed that the Indian subcontinent has the highest strain diversity and estimated that the earliest transmission from an animal to a human host happened in July or August 2019 (paper). According to this study, covid was born somewhere in India in the summer of 2019.
  • In December 2020 the CDC published a study that found covid in early December 2019 in Italy (paper).
  • In January 2021 Italian scientists found traces of covid in skin biopsies conducted in Milan in November 2019 (paper).
www.scaruffi.com

Was covid-19 made in Chinese lab? in a US lab?

www.scaruffi.com
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The media focus on an extremely unlikely lab leak is just a continuation of the "China bad" syndrome driving the West.
There are many areas of investigation to be followed based on the above details which have evidentiary and scientific bases. And the above are also consistent with the WHO conclusions, one of which was that:
  • Analysis of early case genomes also showed some diversity, suggesting additional sources and unrecognized circulation.
Was Belleville Mayor Michael Melham among the first cases of the new coronavirus in the United States?


There was this, and numerous other articles at the time, but little else subsequently. Yet if proven true, the virus was in the USA in early November 2019 at the latest.

The WHO origins investigation recommended an ongoing scientific approach, with emphasis on data quality, coverage and sharing in order hone in on precisely where and how the pandemic began.
 
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