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Will the "Corona Virus" turn into a worldwide epidemic or fizzle out?

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www.abc.net.au

Government considering using Howard Springs exclusively for Australians returning from India

The government is considering using Howard Springs to only quarantine Indian returned travellers, as a way to expedite getting people out of the country when the travel ban ends.
www.abc.net.au www.abc.net.au
From the article:

Key points:​

  • Australia has a ban on anyone entering the country if they have been in India in the previous 14 days
  • The federal government is now considering using the Howard Springs facility exclusively for people returning from India
  • There are about 9,000 Australians stranded in India, with 10 per cent of them considered vulnerable
 
Is Gladys a protected species?
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There is something wrong. A number of treatments have been proved to be effective, and even though the drugs have been freely available they are suddenly blocked by governments. These include hydroxychloroquine, zind and invermectin. Sauchi in USA says he cannot consider them without double blind, placebo controlled trials. That would take years to complete and it would mean giving some covid patients a placebo which could cost them their lives which is unconscionable. Anectdotal evidence during an emergency is acceptable, but medical bodies have said it cannot be used. This is wrong. It takes years of testing and a hundred million + dollars to do such trials, but frontline workers need to know now what they can do to protect themselves and their patients. Why? Why do our govt medical advisers actively block these treatments that have been proved to stop deaths and heal sooner? If they were widely distributed hospital beds would be drastically reduced freeing up treatment, there would be no need for lockdowns, no need for masks, no need for vaccines (they are gene therapies, not vaccines) no problem for our borders, no economic consequences.
 
pozindustrial said:
There is something wrong. A number of treatments have been proved to be effective, and even though the drugs have been freely available they are suddenly blocked by governments. These include hydroxychloroquine, zind and invermectin. Sauchi in USA says he cannot consider them without double blind, placebo controlled trials. That would take years to complete and it would mean giving some covid patients a placebo which could cost them their lives which is unconscionable. Anectdotal evidence during an emergency is acceptable, but medical bodies have said it cannot be used. This is wrong. It takes years of testing and a hundred million + dollars to do such trials, but frontline workers need to know now what they can do to protect themselves and their patients. Why? Why do our govt medical advisers actively block these treatments that have been proved to stop deaths and heal sooner? If they were widely distributed hospital beds would be drastically reduced freeing up treatment, there would be no need for lockdowns, no need for masks, no need for vaccines (they are gene therapies, not vaccines) no problem for our borders, no economic consequences.
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I do not understand why they insist on lengthy trials for repurposed drugs that have been used for decades with safety but do not apply the same testing standards to a completely novel type of treatment.
 
Humid said:
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The origin of COVID: Did people or nature open Pandora’s box at Wuhan?

If the case that SARS2 originated in a lab is so substantial, why isn’t this more widely known? As is now obvious, there are many people who have reason not to talk about it.
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While it is good to cover all the bases in science, contriving a most likely outcome where there is an absence of scientific evidence is as flawed as can be.
The reason the WHO investigation team considered the lab leak hypothesis as extremely unlikely is because science has several more probable routes. SARS Cov1 is a similar but more deadly virus and no scientists were ever suggesting it came from a lab. 20 years ago China was not the economic behemoth it is today and nutjobs like Pompeo were not mouthing off on a regular basis about the "evidence" they had, which was even less compelling than Trumps 2020 election victory.
The oft mooted "weaponising" hypothesis is somewhat farcical as covid19 not only has a much lower fatality rate , it most severely affects the elderly. Maybe they developed it for Dad's Army?
 
I love the absolute undeviating trust that people have in their chosen beliefs, it really is a honourable trait, but it does limit ones horizons.
That goes for political, economical and personal beliefs, when one believes they know all the answers, they stop asking questions.
 
Interesting to see the amount of flack the government is getting, from stopping the influx of Australians from India wanting to return, I wonder how much more flack they would cop, if they had an outbreak of the Indian strain here.
Oh I forgot, that doesnt matter to the media.lol
Its a win win, they have a story either way.
 
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Interesting to see the amount of flack the government is getting, from stopping the influx of Australians from India wanting to return, I wonder how much more flack they would cop, if they had an outbreak of the Indian strain here.
Oh I forgot, that doesnt matter to the media.lol
Its a win win, they have a story either way.
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The problem is they have been caught out bullshiting how good our quarantine setup is so they can avoid having to actually do some thing instead of issuing press spin.

Thats before you get to fining and jailing Australian passport holders from returning home
 
IFocus said:
The problem is they have been caught out bullshiting how good our quarantine setup is so they can avoid having to actually do some thing instead of issuing press spin.

Thats before you get to fining and jailing Australian passport holders from returning home
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It sounds as though the international border control is going to stay in place for quite some time.
 
IFocus said:
The problem is they have been caught out bullshiting how good our quarantine setup is so they can avoid having to actually do some thing instead of issuing press spin.

Thats before you get to fining and jailing Australian passport holders from returning home
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Chasing the hardline headline and it blew up in their faces
Been back peddling ever since to the point where it was the media fault for printing the release stating the risk of fines and echoed by the inhouse liberal bugle sp....the man who claims not reading mainstream media lol
 
Humid said:
Chasing the hardline headline and it blew up in their faces
Been back peddling ever since to the point where it was the media fault for printing the release stating the risk of fines and echoed by the inhouse liberal bugle sp....the man who claims not reading mainstream media lol
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I've never said I don't read mainstream media, I said i don't watch mainstream news on t.v, if you are going to drop a bucket of $%^t at least get it right.
 
sptrawler said:
I've never said I don't read mainstream media, I said i don't watch mainstream news on t.v, if you are going to drop a bucket of $%^t at least get it right.
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Yeah I know a lot of people have dropped off digital TV but they are pretty cheap these days.....Samsung are a good choice
you have to press the red button but pm for more info more than happy to help a senior
 
I wonder if Australia will follow suit and drops the AstraZeneca vaccine, in favour of the Pfizer one?
www.business-standard.com

EU not to renew AstraZeneca, J&J Covid-19 vaccine contracts on expiry

A spokesman for the EU Commission said it was keeping all options open to be prepared for the next stages of the pandemic, for 2022 and beyond
www.business-standard.com www.business-standard.com
From the article:

The European Union (EU) Commission has decided not to renew Covid-19 vaccine contracts next year with AstraZeneca and Johnson & Johnson (J&J), Italian daily La Stampa reported on Wednesday, citing a source from the Italian health ministry.“The European Commission, in agreement with the leaders of many (EU) countries, has decided that the contracts with the companies that produce (viral vector) vaccines that are valid for the current year will not be renewed at their expiry,” the newspaper reported.
It added that Brussels would rather focus on Covid-19 vaccines using messenger RNA (mRNA) technology, such as Pfizer's and Moderna’s. A spokesman for the EU Commission said it was keeping all options open to be prepared for the next stages of the pandemic, for 2022 and beyond. “We cannot, however, comment on contractual issues,” the spokesman added.
 
sptrawler said:
I wonder if Australia will follow suit and drops the AstraZeneca vaccine, in favour of the Pfizer one?
www.business-standard.com

EU not to renew AstraZeneca, J&J Covid-19 vaccine contracts on expiry

A spokesman for the EU Commission said it was keeping all options open to be prepared for the next stages of the pandemic, for 2022 and beyond
www.business-standard.com www.business-standard.com
From the article:

The European Union (EU) Commission has decided not to renew Covid-19 vaccine contracts next year with AstraZeneca and Johnson & Johnson (J&J), Italian daily La Stampa reported on Wednesday, citing a source from the Italian health ministry.“The European Commission, in agreement with the leaders of many (EU) countries, has decided that the contracts with the companies that produce (viral vector) vaccines that are valid for the current year will not be renewed at their expiry,” the newspaper reported.
It added that Brussels would rather focus on Covid-19 vaccines using messenger RNA (mRNA) technology, such as Pfizer's and Moderna’s. A spokesman for the EU Commission said it was keeping all options open to be prepared for the next stages of the pandemic, for 2022 and beyond. “We cannot, however, comment on contractual issues,” the spokesman added.
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Given the inaction of the Federal government on many issues concerning quarantine its hard to see them changing from AZ totally to Pfizer when there is production of AZ here in Oz not to mention supply issues with Pfizer.

Of course if there is enough vaccine hesitation with AZ then every chance they may be forced to.
 
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