Coronavirus (COVID-19/SARS-CoV-2) outbreak discussion

[rederob]

The int’l team saw its task as finding a zoonotic source of animal transition in the wild, not seeking the actual source of the pandemic.

You need to read the science and not the political hype and conspiracy theories.
We cannot rule out alien intervention, a CIA plot, or the tooth fairy, amongst other possibilities.
Science has no plausible reason to consider a man-made virus for the reasons outlined in the linked Report - see pages 111-120. It cannot discount it, but with zero evidence it remains as suggested by the WHO team, as "extremely unlikely".

 

[Humid]

I have read almost every conspiracy theory and pseudoscientific paper on the origins of covid and the only compelling case is that found by the WHO and presented last week.
I will pull apart some of Metzl's points. He said:

• "In the critical first weeks after the outbreak, Wuhan authorities worked aggressively to silence the whistleblowers and destroy evidence that could prove incriminating."

Doctors were definitely not allowed to publicly communicate information about the virus, as at the time its nature was scientifically and medically uncertain. This is also the case in most nations - there is a process! - and if Australia's treatment of whistleblowers is anything to go by, Wuhan's doctors got off lightly.
Metzl's claim that evidence was destroyed is totally baseless. Who investigators actually met the first known case while in Wuhan.

• "When Beijing authorities got involved a bit later, they likely faced a choice of implicating the Wuhan authorities, and, in effect, taking blame for what was quickly emerging as a major global problem, or turning into the curve and going all in for the coverup. I believe they likely chose the second option."

This is false. When the nature of the virus could not be determined Wuhan authorities actually sent out and alert, and a few days later Beijing had officially notified the WHO.
Furthermore, the "global problem" did not emerge for another month.

• "The Chinese government then massively lobbied the WHO to prevent the WHO from declaring COVID-19 as an international emergency and prevented WHO investigators from entering China for nearly a month."

This is patently false. The WHO Emergency Committee has an international panel of 20 who decide on the facts and China's single voice was insignificant.
Furthermore, WHO experts from its China and Western Pacific regional offices conducted a field visit to Wuhan in late January - ie within 3 weeks of the WHO being notified - and again in February 2020.

• "The Chinese authorities have gone to great lengths to destroy evidence and silence anyone in China who might be in a position to provide evidence on the origins of COVID-19."

Actually, and unsurprisingly, Chinese academics have now researched and written hundreds of papers on the possible origins of covid. Most of the material available to researchers/investigators is written in Chinese and only a small amount of the hundreds of thousands of pages of base material has been translated. This is yet another of Metzl's baseless claims.

Metzl may be a clever person, but he is incompetent on this issue.

Like the science you are using here.....looks like straight from Beijing

 

[Humid]

You need to read the science and not the political hype and conspiracy theories.
We cannot rule out alien intervention, a CIA plot, or the tooth fairy, amongst other possibilities.
Science has no plausible reason to consider a man-made virus for the reasons outlined in the linked Report - see pages 111-120. It cannot discount it, but with zero evidence it remains as suggested by the WHO team, as "extremely unlikely".

Evidence yeah right
Transparency is not one of their strong points is it.

 

[rederob]

Evidence yeah right
Transparency is not one of their strong points is it.

You need to deal with facts and not speculation.
There is nothing that you have presented that makes sense. Unless you believe - without any basis whatsoever - that the "extremely unlikely" is a good candidate for investigation.

Like the science you are using here.....looks like straight from Beijing

You have yet to offer a single bit of credible information to support any of your ideas.
Falling into the trap of "blame" is not a good look.

 

[Humid]

Is that extremely unlikely like a vaccine?

 

[basilio]

The catastrophe unfolding in India as COVID runs unchecked wont stay in India.
This is on a scale beyond anything that started to happen in China in January 2020.

Why India’s worsening Covid crisis is a dire problem for the world

Analysis: Urgent supplies are needed to stem the rampant spread of infections in country of 1.4bn

www.theguardian.com

 

[basilio]

The breakdown of India as COVID goes unchecked.

Arundhati Roy on India’s Covid catastrophe: ‘We are witnessing a crime against humanity’

The long read: It’s hard to convey the full depth and range of the trauma, the chaos and the indignity that people are being subjected to. Meanwhile, Modi and his allies are telling us not to complain

www.theguardian.com

 

[sptrawler]

Now we have too much vaccine and not enough people lining up for vaccinations, you can't win, we need ScoMo to woo them into the vaccination centers.

More vaccines than demand in NSW due to complacency, Deputy Premier warns

John Barilaro says people in the state are not ready to receive their COVID-19 vaccine. “Once you are eligible, please do your bit,” he says.

www.smh.com.au

 

[Humid]

Now we have too much vaccine and not enough people lining up for vaccinations, you can't win, we need ScoMo to woo them into the vaccination centers.

More vaccines than demand in NSW due to complacency, Deputy Premier warns

John Barilaro says people in the state are not ready to receive their COVID-19 vaccine. “Once you are eligible, please do your bit,” he says.

www.smh.com.au

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[Humid]

Now we have too much vaccine and not enough people lining up for vaccinations, you can't win, we need ScoMo to woo them into the vaccination centers.

More vaccines than demand in NSW due to complacency, Deputy Premier warns

John Barilaro says people in the state are not ready to receive their COVID-19 vaccine. “Once you are eligible, please do your bit,” he says.

www.smh.com.au

Maybe you should read it first

 

[sptrawler]

Maybe you should read it first

Most of the people I know over 50, are not rushing down for a vaccine.

From the article:
“There’s a lag of couple weeks before we roll out the program and the reality is the public aren’t ready,” Mr Barilaro said.
“But once you are eligible, please do your bit. It is important that we get vaccinated ... we need to get 70 per cent of the population vaccinated to deal with this.”
Mr Barilaro said NSW was “suffering from our success”.

“I think there are people who are concerned about what has played out in terms of blood clots and those that are vulnerable,” Mr Barilaro said.
“But the reality is, and I have heard it myself, [people say] there is no virus so why bother or why take the chance.”

 

[Humid]

Over-50s flood vaccine booking hotlines as national rollout widens

Victorian health authorities have been flooded with people trying to make COVID vaccination bookings as millions more Australians became eligible on Monday.

thenewdaily.com.au

 

[Humid]

Just a liberal government thing

 

[sptrawler]

Over-50s flood vaccine booking hotlines as national rollout widens

Victorian health authorities have been flooded with people trying to make COVID vaccination bookings as millions more Australians became eligible on Monday.

thenewdaily.com.au

I know what you mean, that is a Labor government thing.?

From the article:
By mid-morning on Monday, the state’s health hotline said it had taken 5000 calls from Victorians eager to book an appointment at a mass vaccination centre.

It is estimated that up to two million more Victorians became eligible for vaccines on Monday with the national rollout broadening to include anyone aged over 50.

 

[sptrawler]

Looks like this is the next sector to be getting ready to put their hand out for taxpayer subsidies.
Jeez car manufacturers changing over to electric, power generators changing over to renewables, now vaccine manufacturers changing over to mRNA manufacturing.
The media tends to become an advertising medium, for private sector platforms IMO.
As I said just my opinion.

Doubt over local mRNA plans as major companies pull out of Australia

Vaccine experts say it would take at least $250 million plus the support of a major pharmaceutical company to set up mRNA manufacturing in Australia, cooling hopes of a local jab in the next year.

www.smh.com.au

 

[Humid]

Looks like this is the next sector to be getting ready to put their hand out for taxpayer subsidies.
Jeez car manufacturers changing over to electric, power generators changing over to renewables, now vaccine manufacturers changing over to mRNA manufacturing.
The media tends to become an advertising medium, for private sector platforms IMO.
As I said just my opinion.

Doubt over local mRNA plans as major companies pull out of Australia

Vaccine experts say it would take at least $250 million plus the support of a major pharmaceutical company to set up mRNA manufacturing in Australia, cooling hopes of a local jab in the next year.

www.smh.com.au

They need to figure out how to make them from gas

 

[sptrawler]

They need to figure out how to make them from gas

It will be, if the the electricity that runs the vaccine manufacturing plant, is generated by gas. ?

 

[sptrawler]

And as if on cue NSW to build a nRMA vaccine production facility, wow three articles on the same subject, within a couple of weeks, one saying the vaccine manufacturing is coming, the next saying it's going and lucky last it is coming.
They wonder why the public is confused? They will, they wont, they will.
Is there any wonder the share market is volatile. ?

Victoria announces funding for Pfizer style vaccine production

The Victorian government has announced $50m to fund mRNA style COVID-19 vaccines similar to Pfizer.

www.smh.com.au

Doubt over local mRNA plans as major companies pull out of Australia

Vaccine experts say it would take at least $250 million plus the support of a major pharmaceutical company to set up mRNA manufacturing in Australia, cooling hopes of a local jab in the next year.

www.smh.com.au

NSW’s plan to manufacture mRNA vaccines locally

The state government has convened a team of scientists to determine how the high-tech vaccines and a range of treatments can be made locally.

www.smh.com.au

 

[sptrawler]

Looks as though people are still concerned about the Astra Zeneca vaccine, maybe the Government should offer the Pfizer vaccine with and charge for it, then they could send the Astra Zeneca to somewhere that wants it.

Majority of Australians have concerns about vaccine rollout, according to new survey

A new study reveals vaccine hesitancy remaining stable after the change in advice regarding the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine but suggests some groups remain more hesitant than others.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Humid]

Looks as though people are still concerned about the Astra Zeneca vaccine, maybe the Government should offer the Pfizer vaccine with and charge for it, then they could send the Astra Zeneca to somewhere that wants it.

Majority of Australians have concerns about vaccine rollout, according to new survey

A new study reveals vaccine hesitancy remaining stable after the change in advice regarding the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine but suggests some groups remain more hesitant than others.

www.abc.net.au

Tried to book through GP yesterday......4 weeks