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Will the "Corona Virus" turn into a worldwide epidemic or fizzle out?

  • Yes

    Votes: 37 49.3%

  • No

    Votes: 9 12.0%

  • Bigger than SARS, but not worldwide epidemic (Black Death/bubonic plague)

    Votes: 25 33.3%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 4 5.3%
  • Total voters
    75
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satanoperca said:
We on the east have plenty of toilet paper, happy to send some over to west friends. Lol
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After the news got out yesterday I went down to the local supermarket to get some milk... it was grid locked around the area so gave up and went to a little local shop which had sold out of every thing with the owner looking very happy.

Heard later that SP must have taken all the toilet paper, shelves were apparently empty :D :D.

If this is the UK variant we may have a problem, but fingers crossed.

Talking of our Eastern State friends what is it with NSW lecturing other states?

Its weird if we have to shut down mining and oil & gas because of COVID it will directly affect Australia's wealth.

A site or oil platform only needs one case game over.

NSW Deputy Premier brands WA's hard border as 'pointless' following COVID-19 case, new restrictions​


Mr Barilaro's admonishments to Mr McGowan come after many months of ill-will between the top state politicians in Queensland, NSW and WA.

On January 22, NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian said WA owed her state millions for Sydney's hotel quarantine program, which takes the bulk of returning overseas travellers from every state and territory.

www.abc.net.au

'Pointless, unrealistic': NSW Deputy Premier ridicules WA amid new COVID-19 case

John Barilaro says he hopes WA has "learnt first-hand an elimination strategy is unrealistic" as NSW records its 15th day without any local COVID-19 cases.
www.abc.net.au www.abc.net.au
 
IFocus said:
After the news got out yesterday I went down to the local supermarket to get some milk... it was grid locked around the area so gave up and went to a little local shop which had sold out of every thing with the owner looking very happy.

Heard later that SP must have taken all the toilet paper, shelves were apparently empty :D :D.

If this is the UK variant we may have a problem, but fingers crossed.

Talking of our Eastern State friends what is it with NSW lecturing other states?

Its weird if we have to shut down mining and oil & gas because of COVID it will directly affect Australia's wealth.

A site or oil platform only needs one case game over.

NSW Deputy Premier brands WA's hard border as 'pointless' following COVID-19 case, new restrictions​


Mr Barilaro's admonishments to Mr McGowan come after many months of ill-will between the top state politicians in Queensland, NSW and WA.

On January 22, NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian said WA owed her state millions for Sydney's hotel quarantine program, which takes the bulk of returning overseas travellers from every state and territory.

www.abc.net.au

'Pointless, unrealistic': NSW Deputy Premier ridicules WA amid new COVID-19 case

John Barilaro says he hopes WA has "learnt first-hand an elimination strategy is unrealistic" as NSW records its 15th day without any local COVID-19 cases.
www.abc.net.au www.abc.net.au
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Hard borders are cheaper then all the hotel rooms you have to pay for.
 
Now they have got rid of that pesky orange fella they can start publishing some research on Covid, seems that Mr Trump was right about what to do about Covid............ funny that

Article published in the AJM supporting Hydrox, zinc and an AB

AntimalarialsHydroxychloroquine (HCQ) is an antimalarial/anti-inflam-matory drug that impairs endosomal transfer of virionswithin human cells. HCQ is also a zinc ionophore that

www.sciencedirect.com

Pathophysiological Basis and Rationale for Early Outpatient Treatment of SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) Infection

Approximately 9 months of the severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavius-2 (SARS-CoV-2 [COVID-19]) spreading across the globe has led to widespread …
www.sciencedirect.com www.sciencedirect.com
 
macca said:
Now they have got rid of that pesky orange fella they can start publishing some research on Covid, seems that Mr Trump was right about what to do about Covid............ funny that

Article published in the AJM supporting Hydrox, zinc and an AB

AntimalarialsHydroxychloroquine (HCQ) is an antimalarial/anti-inflam-matory drug that impairs endosomal transfer of virionswithin human cells. HCQ is also a zinc ionophore that

www.sciencedirect.com

Pathophysiological Basis and Rationale for Early Outpatient Treatment of SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) Infection

Approximately 9 months of the severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavius-2 (SARS-CoV-2 [COVID-19]) spreading across the globe has led to widespread …
www.sciencedirect.com www.sciencedirect.com
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You cannot be serious, over 400,000 deaths in the US on his watch, are you nuts. He had no f----king idea, go ask his lawyers, oh that is right he cannot find any.
 
satanoperca said:
You cannot be serious, over 400,000 deaths in the US on his watch, are you nuts. He had no f----king idea, go ask his lawyers, oh that is right he cannot find any.
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Go and read the report, people are dying because preventative measures are not being put in place ASAP.

They had a US senate enquiry, Doctors pleading with them to take action as soon as people get sick, we can ease the symptoms in a few days they said.

Instead they wait until they are Very sick then take them to hospital and try to catch up.

Same here in OZ, a proven treatment with Ivermectin, as soon as someone tests positive bung them on Ivermectin, Zinc and Doxy AB. Tested and proven to work.

If a person gets the flu they don't wait until they are dying then take them to hospital, they start treatment at home, we Must do the same with Covid.

The genie is out of the bottle mate, we are not going to get it back in again, we need to learn how to live with this coming back time after time.

The easiest way is to put people on the treatment immediately if they test positive.
 
FYI, published last July,

"tens of thousands have died Unnecessarily"

<<As professor of epidemiology at Yale School of Public Health, I have authored over 300 peer-reviewed publications and currently hold senior positions on the editorial boards of several leading journals. I am usually accustomed to advocating for positions within the mainstream of medicine, so have been flummoxed to find that, in the midst of a crisis, I am fighting for a treatment that the data fully support but which, for reasons having nothing to do with a correct understanding of the science, has been pushed to the sidelines. As a result, tens of thousands of patients with COVID-19 are dying unnecessarily. Fortunately, the situation can be reversed easily and quickly.>>

www.newsweek.com

The Key to Defeating COVID-19 Already Exists. We Need to Start Using It

Contrary to what you hear, there is clear-cut medical evidence for the efficacy of hydroxychloroquine.
www.newsweek.com www.newsweek.com

no one is saying that everyone would have lived but by easing demands on hospitals we can give better care to those who need it
 
macca said:
Go and read the report, people are dying because preventative measures are not being put in place ASAP.

They had a US senate enquiry, Doctors pleading with them to take action as soon as people get sick, we can ease the symptoms in a few days they said.

Instead they wait until they are Very sick then take them to hospital and try to catch up.

Same here in OZ, a proven treatment with Ivermectin, as soon as someone tests positive bung them on Ivermectin, Zinc and Doxy AB. Tested and proven to work.

If a person gets the flu they don't wait until they are dying then take them to hospital, they start treatment at home, we Must do the same with Covid.

The genie is out of the bottle mate, we are not going to get it back in again, we need to learn how to live with this coming back time after time.

The easiest way is to put people on the treatment immediately if they test positive.
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You need to read the report, as there is no magic bullet.
With over 100 million cases worldwide, and hospitalisation rates rising in places like the UK, the medical profession continues to search for the best patient outcomes possible.
If it was as easy as you have painted for the past year, the remedy would have been in place a very long time ago.
There is every chance cholate is a cure, as all my friends eat it regularly and none have ever tested positive. For that matter, maybe Vegemite is the go.
 
macca said:
Same here in OZ, a proven treatment with Ivermectin, as soon as someone tests positive bung them on Ivermectin, Zinc and Doxy AB. Tested and proven to work.
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Invermectin - that is what I used to treat my tropic fish as a broad base solution to problems (general environmental, that I was responsible for) - for human application I would need to research further
Zinc - being a male, most male are deficient in zinc, for me I used zinc to help reduce my alopecia, plus it had the extra bonus of being harder (wink) than ususal. So given we do not get enough of this trace element in our foods today, it might help.
Doxy AB - who knows, prefer good health, balanced diet and exercise, I have found is a better solution.

Sunlight and Vitamin D - best boost for fighting any virus out there and it is FREE.

As for Chump man, he was a fool.
 
satanoperca said:
Invermectin - that is what I used to treat my tropic fish as a broad base solution to problems (general environmental, that I was responsible for) - for human application I would need to research further
Zinc - being a male, most male are deficient in zinc, for me I used zinc to help reduce my alopecia, plus it had the extra bonus of being harder (wink) than ususal. So given we do not get enough of this trace element in our foods today, it might help.
Doxy AB - who knows, prefer good health, balanced diet and exercise, I have found is a better solution.

Sunlight and Vitamin D - best boost for fighting any virus out there and it is FREE.

As for Chump man, he was a fool.
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The whole point of the Doctors statements is that not enough is being done to slow/prevent the development of serious cases of Covid.

I agree 100% with sunshine/ Vitamin D but I have seen absolutely no sign of our medical profession revealing that to the public.

How simple is it to say that Vitamin D helps all other upper respiratory conditions so it might well help with Covid, get some sun every day folks !!

For Ivermectin look up Professor Borody, he worked it out, sent the details to both NSW and Federal Govts and they ignored him.

In the meantime they are using it in India with good results and it was stated at the US Enquiry that the treatment had over 90% success rate with complete clearance within 5-8 days.

The Docs that have tried it are confident that it works

We need to have an ongoing treatment protocol in place, we can't lock down millions of people every time one person gets Covid.

Lock the sick person and their close family down and put any casual, possible contacts on a treatment plan.
 
macca said:
The whole point of the Doctors statements is that not enough is being done to slow/prevent the development of serious cases of Covid.

I agree 100% with sunshine/ Vitamin D but I have seen absolutely no sign of our medical profession revealing that to the public.

How simple is it to say that Vitamin D helps all other upper respiratory conditions so it might well help with Covid, get some sun every day folks !!

For Ivermectin look up Professor Borody, he worked it out, sent the details to both NSW and Federal Govts and they ignored him.

In the meantime they are using it in India with good results and it was stated at the US Enquiry that the treatment had over 90% success rate with complete clearance within 5-8 days.

The Docs that have tried it are confident that it works

We need to have an ongoing treatment protocol in place, we can't lock down millions of people every time one person gets Covid.

Lock the sick person and their close family down and put any casual, possible contacts on a treatment plan.
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Just quote the best evidence rather than a stream of anecdote.
Some treatment is better than nothing.
Some treatments have severe side effects - HCQ is an example.
Being fit and healthy with a balanced diet is the best defence against all illness.
As it stands, there are no treatments that are proven to be of significant benefit, although some success has been found with a range of drugs.
 
rederob said:
Just quote the best evidence rather than a stream of anecdote.
Some treatment is better than nothing.
Some treatments have severe side effects - HCQ is an example.
Being fit and healthy with a balanced diet is the best defence against all illness.
As it stands, there are no treatments that are proven to be of significant benefit, although some success has been found with a range of drugs.
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Please Redrob, don't apply logic and reason to a debate, it does not make sense.;)

Reality is, there is no cure and never will be, but taking the necessary steps to reduce the chances of becoming ill is simple and @macca the establishment, being those the profit from disease and disappear and not going to encourage the masses to do something that the cannot profit from (protect or own), it is up to us simple fools (me) to do the simple things, like getting exercise, going outdoors, smiling at my neighbours, trying to eat the best produce I can afford and accepting we are all the same, we will die sometime.

None of what I advocate is a cure, but doing some, will reduce the risk of dying if you contract this disease or any others.

Well, being is the part of the answer to combacting Covid and Covid 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.

@macca , I agree will cannot lockdown forever, fear is a human emotion that has been used for centuries to control people and the general populous is fearful at the moment, as few have had to discuss and understand, accept death.
 
Possibly one of the most biased "questioners" I have listened to , using rumour as her foundation, is repeatedly dissatisfied by the honesty of a world expert on covid-19 outline " more likely" sources of the virus:


(footnote: "with respect" means nobody actually believes you)
 
How can Paul Kelly have 'full confidence' in hotel quarantine in Victoria when the AMA is screaming and yelling at every opportunity that it's not a good system?

Put cameras on all floors in all hotels used for quarantine and live stream so we the people can judge what is happening without media and government collusion and spin.
 
The Triangle said:
How can Paul Kelly have 'full confidence' in hotel quarantine in Victoria when the AMA is screaming and yelling at every opportunity that it's not a good system?

Put cameras on all floors in all hotels used for quarantine and live stream so we the people can judge what is happening without media and government collusion and spin.
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Hotels are not hospitals.
Quarantine accommodation needs to be purpose built, isolated, and, in the case of respiratory disease, negative pressure.
Failing that, ensure every worker is protected to the nth degree, as it would be far cheaper that the series of lockdowns that occcur.

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Medical professionals, especially epidemiologists, have been making these points for almost a year.
Alas, we still have a hodge podge of State by State arrangements with different rules and requirements that seem to be inflicted at the whim of Premiers, with various choruses of blame game brinkmanship being played by the day.
 
rederob said:
Hotels are not hospitals.
Quarantine accommodation needs to be purpose built, isolated, and, in the case of respiratory disease, negative pressure.
Failing that, ensure every worker is protected to the nth degree, as it would be far cheaper that the series of lockdowns that occcur.

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Medical professionals, especially epidemiologists, have been making these points for almost a year.
Alas, we still have a hodge podge of State by State arrangements with different rules and requirements that seem to be inflicted at the whim of Premiers, with various choruses of blame game brinkmanship being played by the day.
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They are probably waiting on the vaccine to save em rather than doing anything substantial.
 
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30527-0/fulltext

Influenza vs Covid.

From what I have taken from research, Covid sucks however, like all diseases one can greatly reduce the risk of long term damage or death by :
LOOKING AFTER ONESELF and not be obese, not exercising, and not getting sunlight (Vitamin D). We are protecting the stupid, while still allowing unhealthy products to be sold and not taxed heavily.

Not educating the masses of the requirement of sunlight on our bodies, another scare campaign (skin cancer), is not black or white topic.

Without sunlight, we expose our bodies to potential immune weakness (aka Vitamin D), to much sunlight and potential cancer.

But gonuts trying to communicate a more consistent message without fear involved, requires work, commitment, and strength. Many things lacking in today's leaders and to often interfered with clickbait media.

Common sense is a diminishing asset in our society.
 
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