Coronavirus (COVID-19/SARS-CoV-2) outbreak discussion

[wayneL]

You only have to look at the opposition from political parties to "citizen initiated referendums" to know that representative democracy will never happen.

Yep, so long as we plebeians remain resolutely and ignorantly tribal, I agree.

We do have, via preferential voting, ample opportunity to institute representative democracy; yet we all still vote as if we have a first past the post system.

I mean how freaking stupid are we?

We have two major parties that are no longer interested in representing their core base, forsaking them for globalist corporatist interests against our own interests.

Yet only a few have woken the f*** up.

 

[dutchie]

Yep, so long as we plebeians remain resolutely and ignorantly tribal, I agree.

We do have, via preferential voting, ample opportunity to institute representative democracy; yet we all still vote as if we have a first past the post system.

I mean how freaking stupid are we?

We have two major parties that are no longer interested in representing their core base, forsaking them for globalist corporatist interests against our own interests.

Yet only a few have woken the f*** up.

The globalists know that they never will wake up. Lemmings all of us.

 

[DB008]

New coronavirus strain up to 70% more transmissible, UK government says


New strain does not cause a more serious disease and is unlikely to affect rollout of vaccines
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The new strain of coronavirus identified in England is up to 70 per cent more transmissible, prime minister Boris Johnson has said, as the government announced further restrictions to curb the rapid spread of the mutated virus.​

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Scientists have confirmed that the variant is passed more easily between people than the previously dominant strain, raising concerns that NHS services could be overwhelmed over the Christmas period if the spread of the virus is not slowed.​

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According to government analysis, more than 60 per cent of new cases in London are currently linked to the new strain. It accounts for 59 per cent of cases in the east and 48 per cent in the southeast.​

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This has led to a recent jump in hospitalisations across all three regions, professor Chris Whitty, the government’s chief medical officer, said during a Downing Street briefing on Saturday.​

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If allowed to go unchecked, the new variant of the virus could increase the country’s R rate, which is estimated to be between 1.1 and 1.2, by 0.4 per cent.​

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Sir Patrick Vallance, the government's chief scientific adviser, said: “It’s taken off, it’s moving fast and it’s leading inevitably to a sharp increase in hospitalisations."​

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The government has insisted the variant does not cause a more serious disease and is unlikely to affect the nationwide rollout of Covid-19 vaccines.​

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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-strain-covid-transmission-b1776581.html



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[noirua]

New coronavirus strain up to 70% more transmissible, UK government says


New strain does not cause a more serious disease and is unlikely to affect rollout of vaccines
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The new strain of coronavirus identified in England is up to 70 per cent more transmissible, prime minister Boris Johnson has said, as the government announced further restrictions to curb the rapid spread of the mutated virus.​

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Scientists have confirmed that the variant is passed more easily between people than the previously dominant strain, raising concerns that NHS services could be overwhelmed over the Christmas period if the spread of the virus is not slowed.​

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According to government analysis, more than 60 per cent of new cases in London are currently linked to the new strain. It accounts for 59 per cent of cases in the east and 48 per cent in the southeast.​

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This has led to a recent jump in hospitalisations across all three regions, professor Chris Whitty, the government’s chief medical officer, said during a Downing Street briefing on Saturday.​

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If allowed to go unchecked, the new variant of the virus could increase the country’s R rate, which is estimated to be between 1.1 and 1.2, by 0.4 per cent.​

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Sir Patrick Vallance, the government's chief scientific adviser, said: “It’s taken off, it’s moving fast and it’s leading inevitably to a sharp increase in hospitalisations."​

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The government has insisted the variant does not cause a more serious disease and is unlikely to affect the nationwide rollout of Covid-19 vaccines.​

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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-strain-covid-transmission-b1776581.html



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UK - Foreign travel advice
Coronavirus - India travel advice - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)
Coronavirus - Australia travel advice - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)

UK Health Secretary: 'This is deadly serious': New COVID variant 'out of control', health sec says (msn.com)

Netherlands bans flights from UK due to fast-spreading new COVID-19 strain (msn.com)

 

[noirua]

Western Australia BANS anyone from New South Wales entering amid coronavirus outbreak worsens | Daily Mail Online
Sydney isolated from rest of Australia as COVID outbreak grows | Reuters
Europe bans flights from Britain, as country warns new coronavirus strain 'out of control' - The Economic Times (indiatimes.com)

 

[Knobby22]

Western Australia BANS anyone from New South Wales entering amid coronavirus outbreak worsens | Daily Mail Online
Sydney isolated from rest of Australia as COVID outbreak grows | Reuters
Europe bans flights from Britain, as country warns new coronavirus strain 'out of control' - The Economic Times (indiatimes.com)

I heard some pretty bad news this morning regarding the outbreak.
Seems they traced it to someone who came back from the USA 3 weeks ago.
Looks like it has spread pretty hard, cases in Double Bay for instance. With the 5 day incubation and a super spreader event being Christmas (not to mention the pre-Christmas parties). I think Sydney is probably stuffed and by implication QLD and VIC are in trouble.

 

[sptrawler]

I heard some pretty bad news this morning regarding the outbreak.
Seems they traced it to someone who came back from the USA 3 weeks ago.
Looks like it has spread pretty hard, cases in Double Bay for instance. With the 5 day incubation and a super spreader event being Christmas (not to mention the pre-Christmas parties). I think Sydney is probably stuffed and by implication QLD and VIC are in trouble.

I thought I just heard on the ABC radio news, that the outbreak could be linked to the new U.K strain, I may have heard it wrong.

 

[DB008]

Where do you draw the line? How much do you want to stuff the economy?

The mortality rate for people under 65-70 is not significant.

Until we get a vaccine (that is 100% proven), it will be a endless cycle of lockdowns. Not to mention that a large percentage of the population (worldwide), won't to take a vaccine.

Case of Covid-19
Contact tracing
Lockdown
Manage situation
New case of Covid-19
Contact tracing
Lockdown
Manage situation

Rinse and Repeat forever....???

Should we have just let Covid-19 go back in March, people above 70 in isolation for a month? Where would we be now?

 

[DB008]

What about this take?

Anti-vaxxers should forgo ventilators, German doctor says​

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A German geneticist has said those who turn down the new COVID-19 vaccine should carry a note also refusing intensive care treatment. He also said medical decisions should not be left to conspiracy theorists.​

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People who refuse the COVID-19 vaccine should not be able to access ventilators and other emergency measures if they become ill, a member of Germany's Ethics Council told the mass circulation Bild newspaper.​

"Whoever wants to refuse the vaccination outright, he should, please also always carry a document with the inscription: 'I don't want to be vaccinated!'" Wolfram Henn, a human geneticist, told Bild on Saturday.​

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"I want to leave the protection against the disease to others! I want, if I get sick, to leave my intensive care bed and ventilator to others."​

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Henn also slammed conspiracy theorists and coronavirus deniers, saying decisions should not be left to "Lateral thinkers and vaccination opponents," referring to the Querdenker movement, the umbrella group for most of Germany's sometimes violent anti-shutdown demonstrations.​

https://www.dw.com/en/anti-vaxxers-should-forgo-ventilators-german-doctor-says/a-55996805




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[SirRumpole]

Where do you draw the line? How much do you want to stuff the economy?

The mortality rate for people under 65-70 is not significant.

Until we get a vaccine (that is 100% proven), it will be a endless cycle of lockdowns. Not to mention that a large percentage of the population (worldwide), won't to take a vaccine.

Case of Covid-19
Contact tracing
Lockdown
Manage situation
New case of Covid-19
Contact tracing
Lockdown
Manage situation

Rinse and Repeat forever....???

Should we have just let Covid-19 go back in March, people above 70 in isolation for a month? Where would we be now?

Some people said a vaccine for this virus could never be made, yet it's been done in about 6 months.

How effective it is remains to be seen, but we should take the time to see and not risk any more lives unduly when there is light at the end of the tunnel.

 

[SirRumpole]

Amazing. A 3 month inquiry could not determine who was responsible for the Victorian hotel quarantine system.

Nice one Victorian politicians, you have successfully avoided responsibility for a monumental stuff up.

Sir Humphrey would be proud.

Victorian quarantine inquiry finds hotel security was an 'orphan' with nobody taking responsibility

The final report from the inquiry into Victoria's botched hotel quarantine program is unable to determine who commissioned the use of private security and slams the Andrews Government for failing to do "proper analysis" of the plan.

www.abc.net.au

 

[basilio]

Amazing. A 3 month inquiry could not determine who was responsible for the Victorian hotel quarantine system.

Nice one Victorian politicians, you have successfully avoided responsibility for a monumental stuff up.

Sir Humphrey would be proud.

Victorian quarantine inquiry finds hotel security was an 'orphan' with nobody taking responsibility

The final report from the inquiry into Victoria's botched hotel quarantine program is unable to determine who commissioned the use of private security and slams the Andrews Government for failing to do "proper analysis" of the plan.

www.abc.net.au

Success has many fathers
Failure is an orphan..

 

[bellenuit]

Where do you draw the line? How much do you want to stuff the economy?

There assumption being that if you do not take action the economy will be OK?

One doesn't know how this virus might evolve and until they have a vaccine that is capable of getting things under control, erring on the side of caution is the best option.

 

[wayneL]

There assumption being that if you do not take action the economy will be OK?

One doesn't know how this virus might evolve and until they have a vaccine that is capable of getting things under control, erring on the side of caution is the best option.

Yeah! Totalitarianism is the best form of caution!

Here, take all my liberties and protect me from a virus that has a greater than 99.5% survival rate

 

[sptrawler]

Wow a lot of stuff is starting to come out now, lucky Trumps gone, he would have had a field day.
I personally wonder if China is any worse than our media, for suppressing information they don't want out and manipulating content, I don't see a lot of difference. ? The end result is the same IMO, muppet control.

Be 'sleek and silent': how China censored coronavirus news at home

Warning of the "unprecedented challenge" Dr Li Wenliang's passing had posed, officials suppressed the inconvenient news and reclaimed the narrative.

www.smh.com.au

From the article:
The news was spreading quickly that Li Wenliang, a doctor who had warned about a strange new viral outbreak only to be threatened by the police and accused of peddling rumours, had died of COVID-19. Grief and fury coursed through social media. To people at home and abroad, Li's death showed the terrible cost of the Chinese government's instinct to suppress inconvenient information.

Yet China's censors decided to double down. Warning of the "unprecedented challenge" Li's passing had posed and the "butterfly effect" it may have set off, officials got to work suppressing the inconvenient news and reclaiming the narrative, according to confidential directives sent to local propaganda workers and news outlets.

They ordered news websites not to issue push notifications alerting readers to his death. They told social platforms to gradually remove his name from trending topics pages. And they activated legions of fake online commenters to flood social sites with distracting chatter, stressing the need for discretion: "As commenters fight to guide public opinion, they must conceal their identity, avoid crude patriotism and sarcastic praise, and be sleek and silent in achieving results."

The orders were among thousands of secret government directives and other documents that were reviewed by The New York Times and ProPublica. They lay bare in extraordinary detail the systems that helped the Chinese authorities shape online opinion during the pandemic.

At a time when digital media is deepening social divides in Western democracies, China is manipulating online discourse to enforce the Communist Party's consensus.

 

[SirRumpole]

Wow a lot of stuff is starting to come out now, lucky Trumps gone, he would have had a field day.

Be 'sleek and silent': how China censored coronavirus news at home

Warning of the "unprecedented challenge" Dr Li Wenliang's passing had posed, officials suppressed the inconvenient news and reclaimed the narrative.

www.smh.com.au

From the article:
The news was spreading quickly that Li Wenliang, a doctor who had warned about a strange new viral outbreak only to be threatened by the police and accused of peddling rumours, had died of COVID-19. Grief and fury coursed through social media. To people at home and abroad, Li's death showed the terrible cost of the Chinese government's instinct to suppress inconvenient information.

Yet China's censors decided to double down. Warning of the "unprecedented challenge" Li's passing had posed and the "butterfly effect" it may have set off, officials got to work suppressing the inconvenient news and reclaiming the narrative, according to confidential directives sent to local propaganda workers and news outlets.

They ordered news websites not to issue push notifications alerting readers to his death. They told social platforms to gradually remove his name from trending topics pages. And they activated legions of fake online commenters to flood social sites with distracting chatter, stressing the need for discretion: "As commenters fight to guide public opinion, they must conceal their identity, avoid crude patriotism and sarcastic praise, and be sleek and silent in achieving results."

The orders were among thousands of secret government directives and other documents that were reviewed by The New York Times and ProPublica. They lay bare in extraordinary detail the systems that helped the Chinese authorities shape online opinion during the pandemic.

At a time when digital media is deepening social divides in Western democracies, China is manipulating online discourse to enforce the Communist Party's consensus.

Be careful, you might get in their bad books and be first on the list when the revolution comes.

 

[sptrawler]

Looks like things just got a whole lot worse in the U.K.

'Worst moment of whole epidemic': Britain says new virus strain up to 70 per cent more transmissible

A mutated coronavirus strain up to 70 per cent more transmissible than earlier versions is spreading rapidly across Britain.

www.smh.com.au

London: A mutated coronavirus strain up to 70 per cent more transmissible than earlier versions is spreading rapidly across Britain, shattering the Christmas plans of tens of millions and stoking fears of a major third wave in Europe.

Epidemiologist John Edmunds, a key member of the government's scientific advisory group for emergencies, described the Sunday morning Australian-time announcement as "the worst moment of the whole epidemic".


The discovery of the mutated strain was announced on Monday but scientific analysis of its impacts were not concluded until Friday night UK-time.
Studies suggest the variant formed in September and accounted for 28 per cent of new infections in London by mid-November. That figure ballooned to 62 per cent by December 9.

"So what this tells us is that this new variant not only moves fast but it is becoming the dominant variant," said chief medical officer Chris Whitty. "It is beating all the others in terms of transmission."

He said there was no evidence the strain makes people sicker but was less certain on the question of whether the new strain may be more resistant to vaccines.

"There are theoretical reasons to suspect some of the changes might alter some of the immune response but there's nothing that's been seen to suggest that's the case," he said.

Just correcting a post I made earlier this morning.

Cases of UK's highly contagious mutant COVID strain detected in returned travellers in Australia

New South Wales authorities say a mutated form of the COVID-19 virus has been detected in returned travellers, however the new strain has not featured in the northern beaches outbreak.

www.abc.net.au

From the article:

Asked about the new strain today at a press conference, NSW Chief Health Officer Kerry Chant said two returned travellers from the UK who tested positive to COVID-19 were found to be carrying the mutated variant of the virus.

"We've had a couple of UK returned travellers with the particular mutations you're referring to," Dr Chant said.

"Can I be very clear that the Avalon cluster strain does not have those mutations."

NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian said the strain detected in the Northern Beaches was "similar" to that found in a returned traveller who had arrived from the United States.

 

[macca]

Just correcting a post I made earlier this morning.

Cases of UK's highly contagious mutant COVID strain detected in returned travellers in Australia

New South Wales authorities say a mutated form of the COVID-19 virus has been detected in returned travellers, however the new strain has not featured in the northern beaches outbreak.

www.abc.net.au

From the article:

Asked about the new strain today at a press conference, NSW Chief Health Officer Kerry Chant said two returned travellers from the UK who tested positive to COVID-19 were found to be carrying the mutated variant of the virus.

"We've had a couple of UK returned travellers with the particular mutations you're referring to," Dr Chant said.


NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian said the strain detected in the Northern Beaches was "similar" to that found in a returned traveller who had arrived from the United States.

I read a statement by a pollie saying that " there is no reason to think that the vaccine will not work on the new strain"

I would suggest that the statement is a huge load of BS, if we look at normal testing requirements for medicines someone like the FDA would say the Exact opposite.

The statement would be "this is a different strain and you cannot claim that your vaccine works until you prove it"

As we know, the annual flu shot is really just a lottery, they guess which 3 or 4 strains might come to Oz from the EU/UK and create a vaccine for them.

If we then get a different strain of flu then the vaccine Will Not work, why would Covid be any different?

It is called wishful thinking, rose coloured glass or Bull ****, take your pick !

I will just keeping taking my Vitamin D and and Astaxanthin, if I get Covid I will get Professor Borody's meds.

 

[macca]

What about this take?

Anti-vaxxers should forgo ventilators, German doctor says​

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A German geneticist has said those who turn down the new COVID-19 vaccine should carry a note also refusing intensive care treatment. He also said medical decisions should not be left to conspiracy theorists.​

​

People who refuse the COVID-19 vaccine should not be able to access ventilators and other emergency measures if they become ill, a member of Germany's Ethics Council told the mass circulation Bild newspaper.​

"Whoever wants to refuse the vaccination outright, he should, please also always carry a document with the inscription: 'I don't want to be vaccinated!'" Wolfram Henn, a human geneticist, told Bild on Saturday.​

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"I want to leave the protection against the disease to others! I want, if I get sick, to leave my intensive care bed and ventilator to others."​

​

Henn also slammed conspiracy theorists and coronavirus deniers, saying decisions should not be left to "Lateral thinkers and vaccination opponents," referring to the Querdenker movement, the umbrella group for most of Germany's sometimes violent anti-shutdown demonstrations.​

https://www.dw.com/en/anti-vaxxers-should-forgo-ventilators-german-doctor-says/a-55996805




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It has been proven in the USA that ventilators are just about a death warrant if you have Covid so that attitude will suit me just fine.

If I get really sick I want to be on my stomach in an oxygen enriched atmosphere like most of the survivors have been.

If he is really fair dinkum he should also be barring all the smokers and obese people for taking up ICU beds with self inflicted conditions

 

[sptrawler]

What I hoot, "I don't recall", good to see pollies taking responsibility.

'No one' owns decision to use security guards for hotel quarantine, inquiry finds

The decision to use private security guards, without adequate training in infection control, was an "orphan" that neither Premier Daniel Andrews nor any of his ministers took any responsibility for, the Coate inquiry has found.

www.theage.com.au