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Coronavirus (COVID-19/SARS-CoV-2) outbreak discussion

Will the "Corona Virus" turn into a worldwide epidemic or fizzle out?

  • Yes

    Votes: 37 49.3%

  • No

    Votes: 9 12.0%

  • Bigger than SARS, but not worldwide epidemic (Black Death/bubonic plague)

    Votes: 25 33.3%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 4 5.3%
  • Total voters
    75
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Still need a leader that takes charge instead of "It will just disappear" which is correct in statement, when everyone is dead.
 
Maybe listened to the experts instead of think I was one.
Maybe shown leadership instead of politicising the situation
Maybe treated the problem as a health issue instead of a business decision
Maybe work with a team instead of against it.
Maybe not told lies that it was just going to away
Maybe just put on a mask even if they are not 100% effective
 
satanoperca said:
Maybe listened to the experts instead of think I was one.
Maybe shown leadership instead of politicising the situation
Maybe treated the problem as a health issue instead of a business decision
Maybe work with a team instead of against it.
Maybe not told lies that it was just going to away
Maybe just put on a mask even if they are not 100% effective
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Lot's of weasel words in there bruh.

Maybe? Maybe? Maybe?

Define expert.

Which experts?

Leadership? we circle back to my question to you what do you define as leadership in this case?

health versus business decisions, or rabbits you should have framed it as health v economics. Economics affects health so therefore the two are entertained. Would be interested in your view of this juxtaposition based on the limited information that anybody had back in the beginning of this.

Which team? Come on man, you know that they're our tribe lessons which will always work against each other no matter what is going on surely you can see that. Even you.

In all likelihood this will go away eventually, like all coronaviruses. So was that a lie or based on expert information.... It's easy to be a smart-ass after the fact.

Masks don't work, full stop.
 
satanoperca said:
Maybe listened to the experts instead of think I was one.
Maybe shown leadership instead of politicising the situation
Maybe treated the problem as a health issue instead of a business decision
Maybe work with a team instead of against it.
Maybe not told lies that it was just going to away
Maybe just put on a mask even if they are not 100% effective
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Lot's of weasel words in there bruh.

Maybe? Maybe? Maybe?

Define expert.

Which experts?

Leadership? we circle back to my question to you what do you define as leadership in this case?

health versus business decisions, or rabbits you should have framed it as health v economics. Economics affects health so therefore the two are entertained. Would be interested in your view of this juxtaposition based on the limited information that anybody had back in the beginning of this.

Which team? Come on man, you know that they're our tribe lessons which will always work against each other no matter what is going on surely you can see that. Even you.

In all likelihood this will go away eventually, like all coronaviruses. So was that a lie or based on expert information.... It's easy to be a smart-ass after the fact.

Masks don't work, full stop.
satanoperca said:
3000 people dying a day.

What can I say, keep believing, hope is wonderful, but figures do not lie.
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We've been over that :rolleyes:
satanoperca said:
3000 people dying a day.

What can I say, keep believing, hope is wonderful, but figures do not lie.
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We've being over that already ferchrissake.

Do I really have to debunk this 850 times?
 
When will you accept that Chump was over his head in his ability to manage a crisis?

As for the Experts, he statement many times, USA had the best experts in the world and then ignored them.

Rose-coloured glasses.

My brick wall has a dent in it.
 
News cycle continues.

Macron has caught it and was with other world leaders.

Swedish King slams his country's virus response. Seems a bit angry.

At least Boris injects a bit of humour with the UK citizens as he announces restrictions:
"Wishing everyone a merry little Christmas and I do mean little".
I do like the guy.
 
The US has now confirmed more than 17 million cases of coronavirus. The virus continues to spread at an alarming rate, as the country sets new records for coronavirus cases and deaths. According to Johns Hopkins University, the US confirmed 247,403 cases of coronavirus yesterday, and another 3,656 Americans died of the virus yesterday as well.
 
For those who have relentlessly trumpeted the "Swedish solution" to covid, the Swedish King disagrees, saying that the approach has failed.

www.abc.net.au

Swedish king says country's controversial coronavirus approach 'has failed'

Sweden's king criticises the Government's handling of the pandemic as an independent commission finds the country's aged care sector has major shortcomings.
www.abc.net.au www.abc.net.au

It will be interesting to hear the views of those on this site who promoted that approach.
 
SirRumpole said:
For those who have relentlessly trumpeted the "Swedish solution" to covid, the Swedish King disagrees, saying that the approach has failed.

www.abc.net.au

Swedish king says country's controversial coronavirus approach 'has failed'

Sweden's king criticises the Government's handling of the pandemic as an independent commission finds the country's aged care sector has major shortcomings.
www.abc.net.au www.abc.net.au

It will be interesting to hear the views of those on this site who promoted that approach.
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Narrative Vs data

Increase is fully expected in the winter months, but we can see the second wave in Sweden is lower than the first wave and already starting to resolve itself.

On must be care for not to indulge in confirmation bias, the Swedish king is a coddled and protected royal away from the real world, whose opinion is about as valuable as Joe Schmuck.

MSM has an agenda, Horace.

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The problem is, everyone is an expert with hindsight.
What I would like to know is, why has this reaction happened? The mortality rate isn't overly high, so why the world wide mass lockdown reaction? No one has actually said what the real issue is IMO.
Has any one heard, well if you get the virus, this will happen, all I have heard is if you are old or have an underlying condition you may die from it.
Most don't, so why all the panic around the world, is there something that hasn't been said about the virus?
Just wondering.
 
sptrawler said:
Has any one heard, well if you get the virus, this will happen, all I have heard is if you are old or have an underlying condition you may die from it.
Most don't, so why all the panic around the world, is there something that hasn't been said about the virus?
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200k + in the US and rising.

Are you saying that all those deaths are of sick people and their passing will be a relief to the health system because they won't need treatment any more ?

We could say that for cancer patients surely ? Let 'em die so we don't have to spend money on them.

I don't see the point you are making. A large number of those deaths in the US would have been preventable if proper precautions were taken.
 
sptrawler said:
The problem is, everyone is an expert with hindsight.
What I would like to know is, why has this reaction happened? The mortality rate isn't overly high, so why the world wide mass lockdown reaction? No one has actually said what the real issue is IMO.
Has any one heard, well if you get the virus, this will happen, all I have heard is if you are old or have an underlying condition you may die from it.
Most don't, so why all the panic around the world, is there something that hasn't been said about the virus?
Just wondering.
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Well that surprises me.. After 12 months of COVID spreading and the widespread discussions on this forum.

The nuts of this disease have been established. Pretty infectious. Certainly with any decent contact between infected people and others.
Consequences can be mild/non existent in many cases (say 45%) and a severe illness akin to a bad flu in the next tranche (say 45%).

The last 10% of people can end up seriously ill and hospitalized with the death rate around 1-2% overall. That depends very much on effective treatment of very sick people which in the event of hundreds of thousands of people falling ill puts intolerable pressure on hospitals and staff which would result in a sharply increased death rate.

Apart from the direct deaths long term effects of COVID on a significant number of suffers is now established.

In an Australian population of 25 million a 1.5% death rate would result in 370,000 deaths and probably 600k -1 million people with long term heath consequences. That was the scenario facing the Australian governments in March.

 
SirRumpole said:
200k + in the US and rising.

Are you saying that all those deaths are of sick people and their passing will be a relief to the health system because they won't need treatment any more ?

We could say that for cancer patients surely ? Let 'em die so we don't have to spend money on them.

I don't see the point you are making. A large number of those deaths in the US would have been preventable if proper precautions were taken.
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"A recent Johns Hopkins study claims more than 250,000 people in the U.S. die every year from medical errors. Other reports claim the numbers to be as high as 440,000."

Lock.
It.
All.
Down!
 
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