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Will the "Corona Virus" turn into a worldwide epidemic or fizzle out?

  • Yes

    Votes: 37 49.3%

  • No

    Votes: 9 12.0%

  • Bigger than SARS, but not worldwide epidemic (Black Death/bubonic plague)

    Votes: 25 33.3%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 4 5.3%
  • Total voters
    75
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bellenuit said:
If Yugoslavia hadn't disintegrated, the US would be number 9 in deaths per million. If, in addition, you excluded countries with populations under 80,000, the US would be the 7th worst. To see the true catastrophe that is the US response, it needs to be ranked against its peers, with insignificant outliers excluded. Of course doing that is making a political point. But the political point need making to counter the "we are the best in the world" claims of the liar in chief.
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First off, many countries are not giving proper figures. US would actually be further down the list from what I am hearing. Think Turkey among a long list of others.
Also, if you had been to the US, you would think 3rd world status in most areas.

Secondly Belgium, Italy, Spain, UK, France is just behind the US it will close the gap imo. These countries are not minnows. And this is far from over. Still no telling how its going to roll out. But no one thought that a vaccine would get here that fast. And its being rolled out. So will be interesting to see if the figures start changing.

Lockdowns are being used along with masks. We have a variety of approaches among the top ten and they obviously failed at some point.
 
There are indications that the US is also underreported.

moXJO said:
Secondly Belgium, Italy, Spain, UK, France is just behind the US it will close the gap imo. These countries are not minnows. And this is far from over. Still no telling how its going to roll out. But no one thought that a vaccine would get here that fast. And its being rolled out. So will be interesting to see if the figures start changing.
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Except for France, all the countries you listed are currently worse than the US when it comes to deaths per million people, so they getting worse will not improve the US ranking. The fact that there are some peers with comparable rankings to the US is not something that the US should find comforting, but something they all should be ashamed of.
 
bellenuit said:
There are indications that the US is also underreported.



Except for France, all the countries you listed are currently worse than the US when it comes to deaths per million people, so they getting worse will not improve the US ranking. The fact that there are some peers with comparable rankings to the US is not something that the US should find comforting, but something they all should be ashamed of.
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Under-reported my ass. In case like Turkey we are talking potentially 20x the numbers reported.

The fact that everyone is having difficulty in controlling flare ups once they arise shows that it is hit and miss. US is only brought up as a political play.
"Oh look how bad they are doing".
Meanwhile gnoring multiple factors.
All those other countries have tried multiple methods of dealing with suppression of the virus. And multiple methods have failed on 2nd waves. Not necessarily due to the methods employed but on various factors that came into play.
 
moXJO said:
Under-reported my ass. In case like Turkey we are talking potentially 20x the numbers reported.

The fact that everyone is having difficulty in controlling flare ups once they arise shows that it is hit and miss. US is only brought up as a political play.
"Oh look how bad they are doing".
Meanwhile gnoring multiple factors.
All those other countries have tried multiple methods of dealing with suppression of the virus. And multiple methods have failed on 2nd waves. Not necessarily due to the methods employed but on various factors that came into play.
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Bit touchy are we Moxjo about how the US under Trump has mismanaged COVID ? I thought you were the person who said Trump totally dropped the ball on tackling COVID from August onwards and focused on winning the election ? :rolleyes:
 
basilio said:
Bit touchy are we Moxjo about how the US under Trump has mismanaged COVID ? I thought you were the person who said Trump totally dropped the ball on tackling COVID from August onwards and focused on winning the election ? :rolleyes:
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Not at all I already said Trump dropped the ball in the end. Perhaps your memory is as selective as your numbers.

The bigger question is why are you and a few others obsessed in Trump?
Literally any attack you can make by fudging the narrative in any thread. New York and New Jersey were topping the lists for US states and they (in the past few months) were adhering to restrictions.

I find it a bit droll when the obvious bias once again gets dragged out to push the agenda once again.

Get over it
 
It sounds like Victoria is brewing up another mess.

www.theage.com.au

Airlines threaten to abandon Melbourne over COVID-19 test requirement

International airlines say Victoria's COVID-19 testing and quarantine regime for flight crew is unworkable and have threatened to suspend services to Melbourne.
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From the article:
International airlines say Victoria's new COVID-19 testing and quarantine regime for flight crew is unworkable and have threatened to suspend services to Melbourne in response to the state's attempt to plug a gap in its coronavirus defences.

It comes a day after Victorian authorities imposed a new program of mandatory quarantine in government-managed hotels when transiting through Melbourne, similar to an approach NSW put in place this week.

Unlike NSW, however, Victoria requires crews to take a COVID-19 test on arrival and they are only allowed to leave quarantine for their return flight once they have been cleared with a negative result.


Airline staff who test positive are required to spend 14 days in hotel quarantine and their fellow crew members also face a stint in isolation. Airlines fear the rules could result in pilots and cabin crew being stranded in Australia leaving nobody to fly their aircraft out of the country.

One senior source at an international airline, who asked to remain anonymous because they were not authorised to speak to the media and feared jeopardising negotiations with the Victorian government, said the company was considering suspending flights to Victoria.
 
I have been talking about Vitamin D as a preventative for Covid and other URTI for some time.

This link is an in depth look at a lot of studies from around the world, I found it quite interesting but it does go for one hour.

Absolute no brainer that the vast majority of people should be supplementing and our medical profession need a rocket for being so incompetent

 
noirua said:
NYC healthcare worker has allergic reaction to COVID vaccine (msn.com)

Pix 11 reports that the NYC healthcare worker is now in a 'stable condition' but that the reaction was 'severe'.
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This is starting to look to be a problem with early indicators showing higher rates of allergic reactions than flu injections.

A couple of theories around as to why but no smoking gun yet.

Will be interesting to see how it plays out and could no doubt influence which vaccines gets rolled out in Oz.

We are the lucky country again as we wait and watch.
 
Covid-infected Santa visits Belgium care home and kills 18 residents after 121 fell ill in outbreak | Daily Mail Online
His administration has called the care home 'a totally irresponsible organization.'

Mr Caeyers said: 'Initially [the care home] said that the rules had been followed, but then straight away you receive photos from the families of residents where you can see that this wasn't the case.'

The volunteer dressed as Sinterklaas was welcomed in to spread Christmas cheer among the 150 residents of the Hemelrijck care home in Mol, Antwerp (pictured: residents enjoying mulled wine and oranges as Santa and his Zwarte Piet ('Black Pete') helpers visit the home)
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The home had claimed that social-distancing was observed, but the Sinterklaas was pictured standing very close to the elderly residents
 
I was wrong about NSW. People are bloody acting like idiots. Clumping together and ignoring the rules.
 
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