Coronavirus (COVID-19/SARS-CoV-2) outbreak discussion

[satanoperca]

It was always and will always be a ploy from one country to wreak havoc on Western society and economies. Read back through the posts and you will see plenty of discussion on the specifics of this virus.

Brilliant plan, very well researched, deployed, and highly effective. Well done comrades, westerners are dumb and your plan has worked brilliantly, destabilize the west as we are all barbarians.

Beats traditional warfare of blowing things up, a manufactured virus is far more effective.

 

[orr]

Annika Linde Swedens predecessor to Anders Tegnell makes the obsevation that Swedens approach was to run after the virus rather than to be proactive...
Others have been more assertive in it bringing little more than misery and death...
Though the view from the Dakota's still looks good.

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And for the 'Alternative Medicne' scented candle sniffers? Do a quick check on the Vitamin D consumption across the above mentioned four countries...Or don't.

to read more:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2020/11/18/sweden-coronavirus-surge-policy/

 

[sptrawler]

Interesting news regarding the South Australian outbreak, sounds as though we are still learning things about this virus, hope the vaccine is as clever as the virus. It sounds as though people are getting really nervous, as they should IMO.

Zero new cases in South Australia as hotel quarantine under scrutiny

Victoria has closed its border to South Australia after the state's Premier announced it would stop international flights and defended its quarantine hotel system.

www.theage.com.au

From the article:

Mr Marshall told ABC Radio Adelaide on Thursday morning the specific strain of coronavirus circulating in Adelaide's northern suburbs was "frightening".

"The elements of this are quite frightening in so much that the vast amount of people who are getting infected in this strain are showing no symptoms, so it's quite different than anything we've seen before," he said.

Mr Marshall said it was clear he needed to pull the trigger on a hard six-day lockdown after his public health team told him on Wednesday, "don't deliberate, we only have one chance".

 

[macca]

Interesting news regarding the South Australian outbreak, sounds as though we are still learning things about this virus, hope the vaccine is as clever as the virus. It sounds as though people are getting really nervous, as they should IMO.

Zero new cases in South Australia as hotel quarantine under scrutiny

Victoria has closed its border to South Australia after the state's Premier announced it would stop international flights and defended its quarantine hotel system.

www.theage.com.au

From the article:

Mr Marshall told ABC Radio Adelaide on Thursday morning the specific strain of coronavirus circulating in Adelaide's northern suburbs was "frightening".

"The elements of this are quite frightening in so much that the vast amount of people who are getting infected in this strain are showing no symptoms, so it's quite different than anything we've seen before," he said.

Mr Marshall said it was clear he needed to pull the trigger on a hard six-day lockdown after his public health team told him on Wednesday, "don't deliberate, we only have one chance".

That is kind of weird, the people who have it are showing no symptoms.................

so if no one is actually sick....why the lock down ?

 

[Smurf1976]

That is kind of weird, the people who have it are showing no symptoms.................

so if no one is actually sick....why the lock down ?

Most I know seem to be thinking along very similar lines.

Government knows more about this virus than the public is being told.

 

[cutz]

Most I know seem to be thinking along very similar lines.

Government knows more about this virus than the public is being told.

Apparently from what I've been reading is it's a highly contagious strain with a short incubation period... what makes it extremely scary is the victim is unaware they have it so risk of spread is extreme, BTW I take what I read in the media with a grain of salt...

I wish the chief would stop defending the rights of medi hotel workers to work multiple jobs whilst at the same time enforcing a lockdown that will sent many to the wall, I think the sense of irony is lost...

 

[Smurf1976]

I wish the chief would stop defending the rights of medi hotel workers to work multiple jobs whilst at the same time enforcing a lockdown that will sent many to the wall, I think the sense of irony is lost...

I'll pose a question:

Suppose that I get a job working in the Premier's Office. A job where I see the man daily and am aware of information not known to the general public.

Can I take a second job working for the ALP?

Can I take a second job working for a newspaper?

Or if I were to be in charge of licensing casinos can I have a second job working for a casino? I'll write their license, permit etc applications on the weekend then approve them the following week. All OK yes?

Etc.

There are lots of situations where working for x precludes other employment either at all or in specific industries etc. It's not even slightly uncommon - I was under that restriction in my actual first job as a teenager and have pretty much always worked under a requirement that precluded working for anyone else without approval.

Likewise plenty of businesses don't permit their employees to also work for competitors or to run their own business competing against their employer. That one's extremely common.

The argument that we can't stop someone who works in quarantine from also working in a pizza shop is an outright lie to be blunt. Numerous businesses and government agencies do comparable things routinely.

 

[sptrawler]

Most I know seem to be thinking along very similar lines.

Government knows more about this virus than the public is being told.

Which is what we posed on ASF, in February, from memory.
The time is over, that this is just an opportunity to deflate an over inflated economy IMO, I really think it is something we should try and avoid.
I think this may be bigger than Ben Hur.
Sooner or later they will have to explain the over reaction, then maybe all hell will break lose, obviously they think it is best we don't know.
Which in reality may well be the case, sometimes things are best not said, until it is over.
As you know smurf, the public is only told when the power system is in a dire state, yet sometimes the knife edge is walked.
Just my opinion.

 

[satanoperca]

That is kind of weird, the people who have it are showing no symptoms.................

so if no one is actually sick....why the lock down ?

Macca you are widely read on this topic. Asymptomatic cases have always been the larger part of the infected populous.
That is why it is so hard to contain long term.
Short term, close everything down, will control it.
But once you open society up, bang goes the Wiesel and cases start to grow again.
So does the govnuts lock us down again and again?

To me this virus is nasty but not bad, the next one released is going to be x5 worse.

It is a game of chess played by countries. Nuclear weapons are so yesterday, biological weapons are the future, the achieve more and are more effective.. The current case proves this.

 

[macca]

Macca you are widely read on this topic. Asymptomatic cases have always been the larger part of the infected populous.
That is why it is so hard to contain long term.
Short term, close everything down, will control it.
But once you open society up, bang goes the Wiesel and cases start to grow again.
So does the govnuts lock us down again and again?

To me this virus is nasty but not bad, the next one released is going to be x5 worse.

It is a game of chess played by countries. Nuclear weapons are so yesterday, biological weapons are the future, the achieve more and are more effective.. The current case proves this.

NSW Govt Data from normal medical blood tests done for other reasons (annual check ups etc) shows that the number of cases in NSW was/is 3 times the recorded figure.

Which obviously means that it is three times less deadly than previously thought

We still have no mention of the wonderful support that Vitamin D gives everyone

 

[satanoperca]

NSW Govt Data from normal medical blood tests done for other reasons (annual check ups etc) shows that the number of cases in NSW was/is 3 times the recorded figure.

Which obviously means that it is three times less deadly than previously thought

We still have no mention of the wonderful support that Vitamin D gives everyone

I agree.

But can you be a little more agressive with the Vitamin D - ie. for **** sack people, get outside and get some rays, your body, and immune system needs it.

As for Covid, I have made my case, it was a play, and it played 100% well by those that we're testing the waters on how to disrupt western society.

It was a tester/trial, Covid will look like a fairy tale when the next release bio engineered virus arrives on our shores.

 

[sptrawler]

Yep, we now live in "interesting times" as per the grand plan

I agree.

But can you be a little more agressive with the Vitamin D - ie. for **** sack people, get outside and get some rays, your body, and immune system needs it.

As for Covid, I have made my case, it was a play, and it played 100% well by those that we're testing the waters on how to disrupt western society.

It was a tester/trial, Covid will look like a fairy tale when the next release bio engineered virus arrives on our shores.

The population can't just keep going up exponentially.

 

[cutz]

Most I know seem to be thinking along very similar lines.

Government knows more about this virus than the public is being told.

Panic in SA has turned into relief, the super scary strain theory that was believed to have been spread via pizza boxes was actually spawned as a result of a lie made to tracers.

Although it has been ruled out it would be a great gesture of goodwill to compensate business owners.

On a side note, found an interesting article which discusses what has already been raised here.

Could higher-paid hotel quarantine workers better protect Australia from COVID-19?

A leading epidemiologist argues we need to pay hotel quarantine workers more so they don't risk coronavirus infection by working other jobs, as SA enters its second day of lockdown.

www.abc.net.au

 

[sptrawler]

What is happening in Bali, is a perfect example of what happens to the population, when most are employed in the tourism/service sector and gig economy.
It should be a wakeup call to our politicians IMO.
https://www.watoday.com.au/national...leaves-hundreds-starving-20201117-p56fce.html

 

[macca]

This is starting to become a farce,

<<Lack of Routine Medical Care Is Causing Uptick in Deaths

The slight uptick in deaths that are now being reported simply aren't directly due to COVID-19, he insists. Data show these deaths — primarily people aged 45 to 65, with equal distribution between the sexes — are mainly from heart disease, stroke and cancer, which suggests they are excess deaths caused by inaccessibility of routine medical care as people are either afraid or discouraged from going to the hospital.
These deaths may be characterized as being COVID related, but that's only because they have been falsely lumped into that category due to false positives being recorded within 28 days of death.
Again, people are being tested very regularly, and the rate of false positives is extremely high. All hospital patients are also tested upon admission, so when they die — regardless of the cause — they're likely to have a false positive on their record, which then lumps them into the death tally for COVID-19. >>

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[Knobby22]

The above article is a deliberate lie to keep herd behaving.

It is untrue in all aspects but should keep followers in line and doing and behaving in the preferred way.

279,700 extra deaths in the US so far in this pandemic year

Health statisticians keep careful tabs on how many people die every week. Based on what’s happened in past years, they know what to expect – but 2020 death counts are surging beyond predictions.

theconversation.com

 

[basilio]

The Mercola website is an anti vaccine, COVID conspiracy centre.
It's content ranges from misleading to outright fabrication.

 

[basilio]

The Swedish approach to tackling COVID (let it slowly rip and build up herd immunity) is dissected in a UK medical Journal.

Long story short. It hasn't worked. It never was going to and Sweden will somehow have to try and salvage something from situation as they now attempt to introduce controls on people congregating and spreading the disease.

Good detailed analysis on the ABC. Also provide a link to the original paper.

'Caught up in their own bullshit': The cost of Sweden's controversial coronavirus strategy

Sweden's idea of not following conventional coronavirus measures led to a death rate triple that of its neighbours, and even though a vaccine could be close, the country may need the kind of measures it tried to avoid throughout the pandemic.

www.abc.net.au

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[macca]

The Mercola website is an anti vaccine, COVID conspiracy centre.
It's content ranges from misleading to outright fabrication.

I agree that one does have to apply some grey matter to the topics but there is a lot of thought provoking stuff on there as well.

In this case, they are really only saying what the Doctors throughout the world are saying, just because there is Covid does not mean you can bunk down and hide.

People still need to be seeing their Docs if they have other problems, eg: our local skin cancer Doc is reminding people to still get their annual skin checks done.

 

[basilio]

I agree that one does have to apply some grey matter to the topics but there is a lot of thought provoking stuff on there as well.

In this case, they are really only saying what the Doctors throughout the world are saying, just because there is Covid does not mean you can bunk down and hide.

People still need to be seeing their Docs if they have other problems, eg: our local skin cancer Doc is reminding people to still get their annual skin checks done.

Macca if the main point of the article was saying that people should still try to keep on top of their other medical issues as well as COVID risks I would be in total agreement.

Unfortunately that is not what is being said at all. The story attempts to completely undermine the dangers of COVID with misinformation and outright fabrications.

IMV Mercola is a pernacious website run by a man whose history should be examined more closely.

Check this out.

Dr. Joseph Mercola Ordered to Stop Illegal Claims

Stephen Barrett, M.D.
July 27, 2020
Joseph Mercola, D.O., who practiced for many years in Schaumburg, Illinois, now operates one of the Internet’s largest and most trafficked health information sites. Since 2012, Mercola has stated that his site has over 300,000 pages and is visited by “millions of people each day” and that his electronic newsletter has over one million subscribers [1]. The site vigorously promotes and sells dietary supplements, many of which bear his name. It also publishes a steady stream of propaganda intended to persuade its visitors not to trust mainstream healthcare viewpoints and consumer-protection agencies.

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