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Will the "Corona Virus" turn into a worldwide epidemic or fizzle out?

  • Yes

    Votes: 37 49.3%

  • No

    Votes: 9 12.0%

  • Bigger than SARS, but not worldwide epidemic (Black Death/bubonic plague)

    Votes: 25 33.3%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 4 5.3%
  • Total voters
    75
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grah33 said:
I'm guessing it won't work out . Might not be too long before we take a different course or action.
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Where I can see a problem is if multiple states do eradicate it but one or more doesn't.
Individually those other states might be a bit of a pushover politically, the smaller population ones in particular, but collectively they're somewhat more significant. Even if it's just Qld, NT, WA, SA, Tas well they've still got a lot of clout between them.

I'm foreseeing a risk of some sort of conflict between the states and the federal government basically. I don't mean conflict as in military sort of conflict but perhaps the biggest conflict we've seen between states in a very long time. Any state which has actually eradicated it sure isn't going to be at all keen on having people come in from somewhere that it's rampant.

The idea that NSW and Vic, or even just Vic, is isolated from everywhere else for an extended period would be "interesting" to say the least.:2twocents
 
Smurf1976 said:
Where I can see a problem is if multiple states do eradicate it but one or more doesn't.
Individually those other states might be a bit of a pushover politically, the smaller population ones in particular, but collectively they're somewhat more significant. Even if it's just Qld, NT, WA, SA, Tas well they've still got a lot of clout between them.

I'm foreseeing a risk of some sort of conflict between the states and the federal government basically. I don't mean conflict as in military sort of conflict but perhaps the biggest conflict we've seen between states in a very long time. Any state which has actually eradicated it sure isn't going to be at all keen on having people come in from somewhere that it's rampant.

The idea that NSW and Vic, or even just Vic, is isolated from everywhere else for an extended period would be "interesting" to say the least.:2twocents
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Not interesting, catastrophic
People are labelling anti mask as selfish etc
But i have never seen such a selfish attitude in Australia as we have now
Basically the over 40/50 sacrificing the below 45 lives and wealth
Worse, for the purpose of maintaining that paranoia, we forget basic prevention: where have you read anything about vit D on gov leaflet?we are killing people now...
3 months ago, we were told not to use masks whereas it was a known fact it was a must have,
then we trash the Swedish experience.the story changes every day and now we push hate: against anti mask, even colour..the black crooks bringing it back in Qld, and now Victorians and NSW for us here in Qld are the the enemy:
Dob them
Seriously, and then we are supposed to shed a tear on anzac day for people who die by millions to fight for freedom, a freedom of movement and thinking that we gave up for free for what could be at worst 20 to 30k lives, deaths which we are at best postponing for 1 y or so?
You are being played
How can people not realise that, it is do blatant..
And as a trade, we bankrupt our economy and future
The question is not is it a conspiracy?, more which one?
In that context , i see the next stage in contest suppression being done by shovelling more money this time not to big businesses ( inflating financial asset)
But next by sending money to people via gov backed loans to everyone and his her dog
Business, car,home and personal loans, why not neg interest even
This will trigger std inflation cpi
Wait for the riots against lockdown to start and this will be the next step
Then will be the timevto go gold for sure
 
Impact of COVID on heath care workers is growing as is concern the PPE protection hospitals are giving nurses and doctors is inadequate.

Melbourne nurse begged for better protection from coronavirus before her 'worst fear' came true
...So far, more than 1,100 Victorian healthcare workers have contracted COVID-19, with several ending up in intensive care.
The nurse, who asked to remain anonymous, developed severe muscle pain, debilitating fevers and bad headaches and immediately sought a COVID-19 test.
She has been in isolation and has not seen her one-year-old daughter since being diagnosed.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08...-coronavirus-after-denied-better-ppe/12526430
 
qldfrog said:
You are being played
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No, we are being impacted by a small number of people who do not believe rules apply to them.
That said, more could be done here, as it has successfully been done overseas - eg see the link from @IFocus . For example, all modelling studies show wearing masks as being a vital step in getting the virus spread below Rnought.
The common factor in every successful country to date has been an unwavering consistency of "messaging" based on best available medical advice - and yes, that has included wearing masks once countries had adequate supplies for the public. Unfortunately Morrison blotted his copybook by fighting with States about "borders," while nationally and amongst most State Chief Medical Officers the wearing of masks is problematic The result has been a quasi political backlash from a small sector in the community who saw an opportunity to spread utter nonsense about the virus and challenge authorities.
 
It certainly doesn't sound good for Victoria, it sounds as though it will get far worse before or if it gets better, if it doesn't the next step will be interesting IMO.
https://au.news.yahoo.com/coronavirus-victoria-peak-weeks-away-1000-cases-day-214515793.html
Daily COVID-19 infections in the state are expected to stay in their thousands for more than a week the report says, before falling below 800 at the end of August and continuing to drop slowly in September.

By the middle of September, the scheduled end of Stage 4 restrictions, cases are expected to be in the 300s – still far higher than daily numbers before the state’s second wave.
 
rederob said:
No, we are being impacted by a small number of people who do not believe rules apply to them.
That said, more could be done here, as it has successfully been done overseas - eg see the link from @IFocus . For example, all modelling studies show wearing masks as being a vital step in getting the virus spread below Rnought.
The common factor in every successful country to date has been an unwavering consistency of "messaging" based on best available medical advice - and yes, that has included wearing masks once countries had adequate supplies for the public. Unfortunately Morrison blotted his copybook by fighting with States about "borders," while nationally and amongst most State Chief Medical Officers the wearing of masks is problematic The result has been a quasi political backlash from a small sector in the community who saw an opportunity to spread utter nonsense about the virus and challenge authorities.
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I wondered how you would spin it to Morissons fault.:roflmao::roflmao::roflmao:
 
sptrawler said:
I wondered how you would spin it to Morissons fault.:roflmao::roflmao::roflmao:
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There are dozens of lessons from around the world showing what is proving successful.
How come Morrison can't work out what is necessary for opening up economies while mitigating spread?
This isn't rocket surgery.
Morrison is the weakest PM I can recall in my lifetime, and I would say the same irrespective of his politics. Just as Shorten was one of the worst picks for Opposition Leader since Arthur Calwell.
 
rederob said:
There are dozens of lessons from around the world showing what is proving successful.
How come Morrison can't work out what is necessary for opening up economies while mitigating spread?
This isn't rocket surgery.
Morrison is the weakest PM I can recall in my lifetime, and I would say the same irrespective of his politics. Just as Shorten was one of the worst picks for Opposition Leader since Arthur Calwell.
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How come the problem is only in one State? Your obvious biases are showing through, as usual.
We can consider ourselves fortunate that Victoria is a Labor State, otherwise your drone would be unbearable.:D
 
rederob said:
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Really.
But you missed the point.
Australia lacks a consistent message on the virus.
Worse, it's out of kilter with best medical advice.
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Well every other state seems to have got the consistent message, you really do need to open your mind, rather than trying to make the situation suit the answer you want.
 
rederob said:
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Australia lacks a consistent message on the virus.
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I agree with this, govnuts (Fed & State) are managing the process as it is separate issues, like somehow the virus understands physical borders.

Until there is a clear message for the whole of the country (regardless of which state you reside in), this issue will never get resolved.

I feel for those that live on the borders of man-made conceptions of physical areas, states. You are a Victorian if you are in Wodonnga and a New South Walian if you live in Albury and somehow the virus understands this (NOT). Just an example.

So instead of states fighting it out, how about collectively as a nation we work together to find an acceptable solution for all Aussies.
 
sptrawler said:
Well every other state seems to have got the consistent message, you really do need to open your mind, rather than trying to make the situation suit the answer you want.
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Nope - there is no consistent message on wearing masks, border restrictions, basis of hotspots, affected businesses and how, documentation, necessary duration or levels of lockdown.
And federal parliament is not sitting so important questions are not being debated.
We are like rabbits in a spotlight; our economic and health fate depending on the vagaries of who has their finger on the trigger.
 
rederob said:
Nope - there is no consistent message on wearing masks, border restrictions, basis of hotspots, affected businesses and how, documentation, necessary duration or levels of lockdown.
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All State decisions, only one State has flucked up, the rest have done extremely well.
I think the Federal Government has gone above and beyond with helping people, and I haven't received a cracker, so it isn't because of personal gain.
Time you bought some rust rid mate.:xyxthumbs
Maybe a bit of respect and gratitude wouldn't go astray, might set a trend, who knows?
 
sptrawler said:
All State decisions, only one State has flucked up, the rest have done extremely well.
I think the Federal Government has gone above and beyond with helping people, and I haven't received a cracker, so it isn't because of personal gain.
Time you bought some rust rid mate.:xyxthumbs
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I put blame where it lies and don't care who the politician is - but you can't get away from that perspective.
As I said, there is no consistency of messaging at the national level.
We have a mishmash of State-driven arrangements because our PM is ineffective.
I began a separate thread months ago about how not to ruin our economy, and the steps not taken continue to feed into our collective woes.
 
rederob said:
I put blame where it lies and don't care who the politician is - but you can't get away from that perspective.
As I said, there is no consistency of messaging at the national level.
We have a mishmash of State-driven arrangements because our PM is ineffective.
I began a separate thread months ago about how not to ruin our economy, and the steps not taken continue to feed into our collective woes.
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The PM is limited because it is a Federation and he doesn't have absolute say over the States.
As for your self opinionated thread, on how to run things, how many replies did it get?
On that subject, didn't you say you had something to do with writing policy for the Labor Party, well how has that gone?:D
 
rederob said:
I put blame where it lies and don't care who the politician is - but you can't get away from that perspective.
As I said, there is no consistency of messaging at the national level.
We have a mishmash of State-driven arrangements because our PM is ineffective.
I began a separate thread months ago about how not to ruin our economy, and the steps not taken continue to feed into our collective woes.
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you are so wrong,its laughable
(but consistent)
 
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