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Coronavirus (COVID-19/SARS-CoV-2) outbreak discussion

Will the "Corona Virus" turn into a worldwide epidemic or fizzle out?

  • Yes

    Votes: 37 49.3%

  • No

    Votes: 9 12.0%

  • Bigger than SARS, but not worldwide epidemic (Black Death/bubonic plague)

    Votes: 25 33.3%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 4 5.3%
  • Total voters
    75
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The 1918-19 flu was more lethal than our current bout However the story of how it affected societies are worth remembering.
Pale Rider by Laura Spinney review – the flu pandemic that killed 50 million
Spanish flu in 1918-19 killed vastly more people than the world war it followed, yet has remained in the shadows
ational Museum of Health
Colin Grant
Published on Sat 22 Jul 2017 17.00 AEST



A high-security containment facility in Atlanta, Georgia, keeps under lock and key an organism that in the course of a few months from 1918-1919 was responsible for more deaths than the number of people killed in the first world war. Vanished until 2005, the H1N1 strain of the influenza virus was brought back to life for the purpose of better understanding its catastrophic effect on the world’s population a century ago. But as Laura Spinney points out in Pale Rider, the resurrection is not thought universally to be a good idea.
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2017/jul/22/pale-rider-laura-spinney-review
 
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A broader picture of the Swedish approach to COVID compared to the other Scandinavian countries. It isn't that simple


No, Australia should not follow Sweden’s approach to coronavirus
July 29, 2020 6.23pm AEST

The costs of preventing the spread of COVID-19 must always be compared to the health, social and economic costs of viable alternatives. Countries across the globe have dealt with this balancing act differently.

One country in particular that has attracted attention for its lighter approach to lockdown is Sweden. Some people have regarded Sweden as an example for Australia to follow.

But Sweden shouldn’t be seen as a model for Australia when it comes to COVID-19. The virus has spread rapidly, they’ve had more deaths, and the economy is suffering just as badly as their neighbours with heavier lockdowns.

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https://theconversation.com/no-australia-should-not-follow-swedens-approach-to-coronavirus-143540
 
rederob said:
Like many of your posts, it is factually flawed.
Here's how deaths are recorded.
For the data be changed will require the Minister to ignore the underlying cause of death where that was COVID-19. It's a bit like ignoring HIV as the underlying cause of death of a person who dies of pneumonia a year later.
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It's already been established that your idea o what constitutes facts is deeply flawed Robbie, if it you disagree, take it up with Mr Hitchens on the Twitter post cited, I'm sure he will be delighted to interact with you.
 
Wayne Redrob is not infallible. But when it comes to quoting stories with totally dodgy cred you come out streets ahead. And considering the types of twitter feeds and websites you roam that is a problem.
Just saying.:D
 
basilio said:
A broader picture of the Swedish approach to COVID compared to the other Scandinavian countries. It isn't that simple


No, Australia should not follow Sweden’s approach to coronavirus
July 29, 2020 6.23pm AEST

The costs of preventing the spread of COVID-19 must always be compared to the health, social and economic costs of viable alternatives. Countries across the globe have dealt with this balancing act differently.

One country in particular that has attracted attention for its lighter approach to lockdown is Sweden. Some people have regarded Sweden as an example for Australia to follow.

But Sweden shouldn’t be seen as a model for Australia when it comes to COVID-19. The virus has spread rapidly, they’ve had more deaths, and the economy is suffering just as badly as their neighbours with heavier lockdowns.

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https://theconversation.com/no-australia-should-not-follow-swedens-approach-to-coronavirus-143540
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Nice charts but need a little more clarity :
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Why are deaths on the decline in Sweden?
 
satanoperca said:
Why are deaths on the decline in Sweden?
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My comments and the analysis from The Conversation were not saying Sweden is not reducing COVID infections and deaths.
Rather it was saying that the comparison with very similar countries showed Swedish effectiveness was substantially less and the economic and social impact on a similar par.

The judgement call by the Victorian government in response to the steep rise in infections a couple of weeks ago was based on the best current advice about how to clamp down on the spread of the virus ASAP.
 
There are discussion about whether COVID deaths have been over reported in the UK and in fact everywhere. IMV this analysis does an excellent job of explaining under and over attribution of deaths around this pandemic.

The doctor also does a great job of exploring the far wider range of deaths that happen as a consequence of the COVID crisis

 
basilio said:
The judgement call by the Victorian government in response to the steep rise in infections a couple of weeks ago was based on the best current advice about how to clamp down on the spread of the virus ASAP.
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I am only questioning if that advice was correct. Only time will tell.
 
Nothing I'd like to do more than get the Swedish model up and going; But first we'd need to get a few things in line...
* The Swedish Tax system
* The Swedish Housing Policy
* The Swedish inherent 50% single owner occupied house
* the Swedish 'puissant' for rancid fermented( putrified) canned fish... only for the hardmen..
not many of them around here..

I'd be in Oslo, given the option.
 
wayneL said:
It's already been established that your idea o what constitutes facts is deeply flawed Robbie, if it you disagree, take it up with Mr Hitchens on the Twitter post cited, I'm sure he will be delighted to interact with you.
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I posted how deaths are recorded in England and Wales according to the official requirements.
On the other hand you linked a deeply misleading article that you again appear unable to defend.
I really don't need to bother Mr Hitchens because I know that for any changes to the data to occur will require the Minister to ignore the underlying cause of death where it was recorded at 1(b) on a death certificate as "COVID-19."
 
wayneL said:
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It's the opposite.

Car accidents, down.
Death from flu, down.
Death from industrial accidents - down.
Death from recreational accidents - down.

In fact the figures in May showed our overall death rate is reduced from previous years.

So my question is where is the Government report link saying this? Would love to read it.

(Just found it, it's about UK. No wonder, they have it worse)
 
Ok some more facts
Le Brésil déplore 478 morts par million d’habitants, un chiffre équivalent à celui des Etats-Unis (487), mais inférieur à celui de l’Espagne (609) ou de l’Italie (583).
Death per million inhabitants
Brazil 478, US 487
Vs Spain 609 and Italy 583
The clear proof these right madmen leaders are killing their people..not..
Which also mean we can expect 500 x 26= 13000 deaths here.
Simple maths.
And the 10 millions swedes got less than 6k ..same same..
 
wayneL said:
More from another Swedish doctor
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Very interesting.

Swedish population - 10 million
Total passed away with Covid - ~6,000 (so far)

Australian population - 25 million
Total passed away with Covid - 295 (so far)

Melbourne is in stage 4 lockdown, surrounding areas are stage 3. QLD has also shut its border.

With total deaths, Australia is miles in front of Sweden.
 
qldfrog said:
Ok some more facts
Le Brésil déplore 478 morts par million d’habitants, un chiffre équivalent à celui des Etats-Unis (487), mais inférieur à celui de l’Espagne (609) ou de l’Italie (583).
Death per million inhabitants
Brazil 478, US 487
Vs Spain 609 and Italy 583
The clear proof these right madmen leaders are killing their people..not..
Which also mean we can expect 500 x 26= 13000 deaths here.
Simple maths.
And the 10 millions swedes got less than 6k ..same same..
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Only if you believe the Brazilian and USA figures. I certainly don't.
 
DB008 said:
Very interesting.

Swedish population - 10 million
Total passed away with Covid - ~6,000 (so far)

Australian population - 25 million
Total passed away with Covid - 295 (so far)

Melbourne is in stage 4 lockdown, surrounding areas are stage 3. QLD has also shut its border.

With total deaths, Australia is miles in front of Sweden.
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The one saving grace about the Victorian outbreak is, the media arent making a big song and dance about the Andrews Government, imagine if it could be blamed on Scomo.
It would be front page to back page news and every t.v station, as with the bushfires.:xyxthumbs
At least with this they are giving Andrews some slack.
 
Testing in Victoria, real or fake?
Spoke with three people last week that went to a testing centre in Victoria, handed their contact details over, but when being informed that the wait was over 1.5hours left without being tested.
24-48hours later received their results : positive - quarantine for 14 days. But they never provided any body fluid to be tested.

Maybe Dan the man outsourced testing again to unqualified peoples.

I wonder how much the companies providing the testing are being paid?

Note : I also know of 5 other people, who actually went through with the testing, 1 came back positive.
 
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