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Will the "Corona Virus" turn into a worldwide epidemic or fizzle out?

  • Yes

    Votes: 37 49.3%

  • No

    Votes: 9 12.0%

  • Bigger than SARS, but not worldwide epidemic (Black Death/bubonic plague)

    Votes: 25 33.3%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 4 5.3%
  • Total voters
    75
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Supermarkets announcing limits on products again. Further restrictions on businesses expected.

In the Australian state of Victoria, supermarket chain Woolworths has announced limits on 50 product categories in stores across the state following what says is “an increase in demand across Victorian stores in the last 24 hours”:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/l...st-lockdown-as-south-africa-cases-pass-500000
 
Melbourne goes to Stage 4 restrictions.
Curfews after 8pm. Only 2 people to be together. Back to home schooling for all.

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/l...st-lockdown-as-south-africa-cases-pass-500000
 
The status on Hydroxychloroquine testing. Why the medical profession is not supporting it's use at the moment - and when they could change their mind.



 
Countries across the world are requiring wearing of masks AFTER the event for inexplicable reasons.
Here's fauci's simple advice, which he says "is not rocket science:"
 
basilio said:
More background on Hydroxychloroquine testing.
https://www.sciencealert.com/here-s...n-t-block-the-coronavirus-in-human-lung-cells
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I find it quite puzzling actually just why so many people are testing this drug in isolation.

It all started when the Doctor in New York published a paper detailing how he used it to help the body absorb Zinc.

Never at any time did he say it would help against Covid, he has always said it was the Zinc that helped fight Covid.

This drug is a very old drug, if it could be used to fight Covid then a lot of Pharma companies are not going to make billions with their new drugs so it is important to them to prove it does not work.

I find it really weird that nobody is testing the actual treatment that the Doctor used, maybe they don't want to cure people using common old drugs, minerals and ABs, no money in that.
 
Anyone know what Victoria's plan is? I'm not getting it. Seems impossible to significantly reduce virus numbers, and keep it low
 
grah33 said:
Anyone know what Victoria's plan is? I'm not getting it. Seems impossible to significantly reduce virus numbers, and keep it low
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Based upon the decisions being enacted, I would surmise that social and economic devastation, coupled with the introduction of martial law for the purposes of installing a totalitarian regime, are the likely objectives. The persistence of the virus simply provides a convenient cover story.
 
wayneL said:
The Conversation can indulge in its dystopian circle jerkery all it likes, the fact is, Sweden got it right.
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Thus far the death toll in Sweden, per capita, isn't exactly a shining example.

Unless the death toll substantially rises elsewhere, or some of those in Sweden are brought back to life, then that won't change. :2twocents
 
grah33 said:
Anyone know what Victoria's plan is? I'm not getting it. Seems impossible to significantly reduce virus numbers, and keep it low
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As I see it, they've got two choices basically:

1. Lock down hard and actually eradicate it.

2. "Let it rip" as effectively an isolated nation of sorts. Go down that track and odds are the other states will stop anyone entering from Victoria no matter who they are or what their reason for entering. :2twocents
 
cynic said:
Based upon the decisions being enacted, I would surmise that social and economic devastation, coupled with the introduction of martial law for the purposes of installing a totalitarian regime, are the likely objectives. The persistence of the virus simply provides a convenient cover story.
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Hey Cynic, long time we chatted here . I feel like i need to follow more news and go "deep" like everyone else here . Just I'm always doing hobbies ...
Quite a view u have expressed though. I'm anticipating more loss of freedom (it's kind of predictable), but wasn't really connecting it with a super plan. Although how things are being handled doesn't really make sense to me, so maybe you're onto something.
 
Smurf1976 said:
As I see it, they've got two choices basically:

1. Lock down hard and actually eradicate it.

2. "Let it rip" as effectively an isolated nation of sorts. Go down that track and odds are the other states will stop anyone entering from Victoria no matter who they are or what their reason for entering. :2twocents
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can you explain point 1. this I don't get. 'elimination' they call it on the news . i would think you can't eradicate it if it's like a flu.
 
grah33 said:
can you explain point 1. this I don't get. 'elimination' they call it on the news . i would think you can't eradicate it if it's like a flu.
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It is arguably unproven that they've achieved it but WA, NT, SA, Tas and NZ are all in the situation of seemingly having eliminated it within the local population. To the extent they've got any ongoing issues, it's with people who've arrived from somewhere else notably Vic. Hence they've all now become extremely tight in terms of letting anyone in.

Whilst those places all have lower populations and population density than Victoria does, Perth with it's population of 2 million, Auckland with 1.65 million and Adelaide with 1.3 million in their urban areas aren't exactly small country towns. They're all proper cities, they've all got reasonably large buildings, they've all got public transport and so on.

Perth, Adelaide, Auckland, NT, Tasmania, regional WA, SA and NZ. There's a fair diversity there of population density and climate. If they've managed to actually do it then I'm not at all convinced that it isn't possible to do it in Victoria.

If it turns out that they haven't done it, if new cases crop up in Perth or Hobart or wherever, well then that idea might be a dud but at the moment it seems at least possible that elimination may have been achieved in these places. If nobody's turning up with symptoms, if tests aren't finding any cases, then possibly it has actually died out.

From a governance perspective, I don't know what they've all done but in SA it has largely been left to the experts, politicians taking a few steps back. The Chief Public Health Officer and the Police Commissioner have both gained a celebrity-like status to some extent amidst it all, they've been routinely on the news and so on and both have been clear and to the point in layman's terms.

Tasmania went the other way and formed a loose Liberal-Labor-Greens coalition of sorts (the Liberals are in government in Tas) and suspended normal politics for the specific purpose of dealing with the pandemic. In doing so that removed political considerations from the equation and enabled the focus to be on stamping it out. :2twocents
 
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