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Will the "Corona Virus" turn into a worldwide epidemic or fizzle out?

  • Yes

    Votes: 37 49.3%

  • No

    Votes: 9 12.0%

  • Bigger than SARS, but not worldwide epidemic (Black Death/bubonic plague)

    Votes: 25 33.3%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 4 5.3%
  • Total voters
    75
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It really does underline what Sdajii is saying about rubbish being the headlines

Hydrox... does not work by itself, it is there to help the body absorb Zinc, it is the Zinc that slows the virus.

The Doctor who started using it has published details months ago, regularly repeating Hydrox will not work by itself.

Vitamin D has been proven to help in the UK, why isn't that headlines here in OZ

The Govts started off well but have been hijacked by big pharma it seems
 
rederob said:
At issue was the fact that there was zero evidence supporting the claims in the video, and you continue to offer none.
Then you link a table about hydroxychloroquine but offer no explanation as to why it has merit. Why do you do this?
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The link in the tweet is a thread unroll from the original poster.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1283840177497088001.html
Within that thread was several references to HCQ treatments/tests.
Some below.
https://c19study.com/
https://www.preprints.org/manuscript/202007.0025/v1
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04358068

Original tweet here.
Balanced overview imo.
 
spooly74 said:
The link in the tweet is a thread unroll from the original poster.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1283840177497088001.html
Within that thread was several references to HCQ treatments/tests.
Some below.
https://c19study.com/
https://www.preprints.org/manuscript/202007.0025/v1
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04358068

Original tweet here.
Balanced overview imo.
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Did you read links from @basilio - some actual peer reviewed science exists and it does not support the claims made.
Here's the latest findings from another peer reviewed study:
"Among patients hospitalized with mild-to-moderate Covid-19, the use of hydroxychloroquine, alone or with azithromycin, did not improve clinical status at 15 days as compared with standard care."​
As to the table posted above, where is there any explanation?
 
rederob said:
Did you read links from @basilio - some actual peer reviewed science exists and it does not support the claims made.
Here's the latest findings from another peer reviewed study:
"Among patients hospitalized with mild-to-moderate Covid-19, the use of hydroxychloroquine, alone or with azithromycin, did not improve clinical status at 15 days as compared with standard care."​
As to the table posted above, where is there any explanation?
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Meh... studies don't mean a lot when it might prove trump right apparently.

Who can forget:
Australian scientists have savaged the international mess over a study of the drug hydroxychloroquine as a disastrous setback in the search for COVID-19 treatments that will scare off patients and undermine trust in good science.
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Australia has a very large shipment of hydroxychloroquine coming in to be used. So it kind of mutes whatever point people are trying to make. Obviously it has some benefit.
 
rederob said:
At issue was the fact that there was zero evidence supporting the claims in the video, and you continue to offer none.
Then you link a table about hydroxychloroquine but offer no explanation as to why it has merit. Why do you do this?
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Discussion, bro. That is the reason for a forum.

 
wayneL said:
Discussion, bro. That is the reason for a forum.
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And some good discussion ensued.

Mission accomplished.

You might investigate the Briggs Meyer personality types and why people debate in certain ways.

It's illuminating and might help you understand people..... Maybe
 
wayneL said:
Discussion, bro. That is the reason for a forum.
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You put up proven lies, so there's not much left open for discussion.
WRT to "excess deaths," the trend is not surprising, and this was recently supported by the Australian experience of minimal influenza deaths compared to "normal" years. But here's what countries want to avoid:
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A second wave could see similar trends repeated for the above countries. And as has been shown by the Victorian experience, the rate of spread can be very hard to reign in.
 
Then discussion has fulfilled its function.

I post stuff I think might be interesting to discuss. It it proves inaccurate, good, to we all learn something. If it proves accurate, good, we all learn something.

I am not arrogant enough to thing I have the answer in every case.... However from those who ARE so arrogant, I learn something too.

But usually not what they think they're trying to teach me ;)
 
wayneL said:
Then discussion has fulfilled its function.

I post stuff I think might be interesting to discuss. It it proves inaccurate, good, to we all learn something.
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It was proven false before you posted it, and this is often the case with what you put forward.
If your agenda is not to spread deliberate disinformation, then take some time to check sources.
 
Let the facts speak for themselves, @rederob

However, if it okay with you, I'll refrain from seeing them through your filter. :rolleyes:
 
Smurf1976 said:
This seems at least somewhat concerning given the heart's a rather important bit in the body.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...njury-months-after-recovery-study/5536249002/

Anyone got a credible (medical not political) basis to dispute it?
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A normal flu..not cold..can have the same debilitating effects.
https://www.healthline.com/health/heart-disease/viral#types-of-viruses
List of culprits is long ..maybe we should stop the nation, i heard someone caught herpes in qld.
No cure known at all, highly contagious.. let's block the borders
 
rederob said:
Did you read links from @basilio - some actual peer reviewed science exists and it does not support the claims made.
Here's the latest findings from another peer reviewed study:
"Among patients hospitalized with mild-to-moderate Covid-19, the use of hydroxychloroquine, alone or with azithromycin, did not improve clinical status at 15 days as compared with standard care."​
As to the table posted above, where is there any explanation?
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As I see it, the claims being made are that Hydroxychloroquine works if given early (1-5 days) or as a prophylaxis, only. Once the virus has progressed, it effectively useless.
That's the claim with respect to the country data chart and some of results from studies in this link https://c19study.com/
I have a cousin working on treatments for covid in Melbourne and used the analogy that on face value it's like using a fire extinguisher on a couch fire in a house which is effective, but useless once the whole room is ablaze.
The results from this study early July should give a definitive answer either way.
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04358068
 
spooly74 said:
As I see it, the claims being made are that Hydroxychloroquine works if given early (1-5 days) or as a prophylaxis, only. Once the virus has progressed, it effectively useless.
That's the claim with respect to the country data chart and some of results from studies in this link https://c19study.com/
I have a cousin working on treatments for covid in Melbourne and used the analogy that on face value it's like using a fire extinguisher on a couch fire in a house which is effective, but useless once the whole room is ablaze.
The results from this study early July should give a definitive answer either way.
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04358068
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Yes, as it stands we do not know if a large number of potential drug treatments will prove effective. The point I made was that the viral tweet @wayneL posted claimed there was a cure, yet it is widely known by the medical community to be untrue to the extent that responsible social media platforms have deleted it.
 
IFocus said:
“She’s also made videos saying that doctors make medicine using DNA from aliens and that they’re trying to create a vaccine to make you immune from becoming religious.”
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Does seem like a screw loose somewhere.
Also, would've be good to know shes in pediatrics so her results are irrelevant with Covid & kids a non issue.
I did like her challenge to Fauci, though, to supply a blood test to see if he's using Hydroxychloroquine.
Wonder how many bashing its use because Trump made the suggestion months ago are actually taking it as a prophylaxis.
 
The Swedish model now needs to be taken seriously.
Testing still up but cases continues to fall.
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/biweekly-growth-covid-cases?region=Europe

Sweden had approximately 1500 deaths from the general population. The rest in care homes, a total failure, and sadly, one which looks to be repeated here, which given the shots across the bow early in NSW, is an absolute disgrace.
 
qldfrog said:
Oh touche, maybe not herpes
But cancer or heart failure caused by virus many more than covid.
And with less chance of survival
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Subject is : is covid different from other viruses, nastier in its after infection effects.
So far nothing unusual but i am sure my link was fake news
Try not to catch it, but if you do, keep hope.not the end
 
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