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Have been numerous articles published on copper. Quite abit said, overall, for mine the message is positive. Note the contents of greggles post on 9 December 2022, re Glencore. This article is encapsulated also into the below AFR publication.

rcw1 holding NCM.

CNBC - 13/12/22 - Copper prices — traditionally a barometer for the global economy — are expected to soar next year

The downward pressure in 2022 stemmed in part from persistent market expectations for a surplus inflection in the metal market, driven by anticipation of sluggish demand amid slowing global growth and an acceleration of mining activity, Goldman Sachs strategists said in a note last week. However, this has not come to fruition ...


The AFR published this article not so long ago. There are a number of take-aways from a pretty well written story for mine.
Not quite sure though on the extent of overall impact of green demand projects upon the copper market.

‘Extremely’ tight market to fuel record copper prices next year​

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Alex Gluyas Markets reporter
Dec 7, 2022 – 12.08pm

Copper prices will rocket to record levels in the next 12 months, according to Goldman Sachs, as a looming supply shortage coincides with growing demand, keeping the physical market for the metal in deficit in 2023. That bullish view appears to be shared by Glencore boss Gary Nagle, who predicted “a huge deficit” coming in copper. Copper prices snapped a streak of seven months of losses in November. Bloombergm While some traders had been anticipating that a burst of new supply would temporarily weaken market fundamentals near-term, Goldman Sachs believes this soft patch is failing to materialise. The broker now forecasts that the copper market faces a 178,000 tonne deficit next year, compared to its previous forecast for a 169,000 tonne surplus.

“The sequential increase in policy targets and commitments to green transition, alongside a minimal supply response so far... have resulted in earlier and larger open-ended deficit conditions that essentially are already here, not beginning at some point in the future,” said Nicholas Snowdon, metals strategist at Goldman Sachs.

The price of the industrial metal, used in everything from electric vehicles to power infrastructure, has dropped 22.5 per cent from a record high of $US10,845 a tonne in March amid persistent recession fears, a stronger US dollar and the slowdown caused by China’s strict COVID-19 measures.

But in November, the metal recorded its biggest monthly advance since April 2021, surging nearly 11 per cent on the London Metal Exchange as China began loosening virus restrictions.

The clearer path to a recovery in the world’s largest copper importer means the metal is near its trough, and next year presents a more supportive macroeconomic backdrop, Mr Snowdon said.

Goldman Sachs forecast that prices will exceed their record high in the next year, increasing its 12-month price target to $US11,000 a tonne from $US9000 a tonne.

The new target implies 31 per cent upside from copper’s current price of $US8405 a tonne.

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The expectation of tighter market conditions reflects Goldman’s 434,000 tonne cut to its global mine supply forecasts for next year, which was largely due to lower guidance from operations in Chile. The broker also increased its China green demand projection by 250,000 tonnes after analysts updated their expectations for installations of solar panels next year. Goldman is anticipating that China will accelerate its restocking of copper as the nation ramps up toward a post-COVID-19 reopening, and introduces measures to stabilise its troubled property sector.

With global visible copper inventories set to end this year below 200,000 tonnes, “another deficit in the market next year will take fundamental conditions to an unprecedented extreme in terms of tightness,” Mr Snowdon said.

Goldman Sachs upgraded its average price forecast for 2023 to $US9750 per tonne, from $US8325 per tonne previously. The broker now expects prices to average $US12,000 a tonne in 2024, from $US10,750 a tonne previously.

‘Huge deficit’ looming​

Glencore, one of the world’s largest copper producers, overnight echoed predictions that the copper market is facing an imminent supply shortage. “There’s a huge deficit coming in copper, and as much as people write about it, the price is not yet reflecting it,” its chief executive Mr Nagle said. Mr Nagle added that Glencore will wait to lift its copper production until the world is “screaming” for it, according to comments reported by Bloomberg. “We want to see that deficit,” Mr Nagle said. Glencore could lift its annual copper output by more than 60 per cent from current levels of 1 million tonnes by expanding its current assets, Mr Nagle said.

Edit: just a tidy up of a sentence.
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Good to see the copper price testing the $4 level. I'd rather see it stay at this level for a while and form a solid support zone rather than rallying higher immediately. The recent higher low price of $3.70 should hold now. Copper producers and copper ETFs are all going higher. Any slowdown in the Chinese economy will only delay the inevitable rally in the price of copper.
 
Apparently Peru is the 2nd largest copper producer.
South America becoming a bit of a sovereign risk investment area overall.
Political tensions in Brazil also.

"Peru's mining south, rocked by violence, braces for 'endless battle'"

As the US global power declines, the countries it fxcked most aka anywhere south of the Rio Grande will have no love lost, and the woke leftist contagion is present as well, with self hate of the US internally fuelling the deep already existing resentment of the US.
Venezuela is just the beginning.
A Canadian copper mine in Panama is having trouble as well currently, and Panama is not exactly a hot bed of union socialist power.
 
or poor grades

Chile’s Codelco, the world’s largest copper producer, will launch an austerity plan intended to boost its earnings in the short- and medium-term and optimise production and investments through 2027, the company said on Friday.

The state-owned miner cut its 2022/23 production goal in October amid lower prices and poorer ore grades, and indicated its lower output levels would continue for a few years.

The company estimated a 2022 copper output of between 1.435 million and 1.465 million tonnes, below its previous forecast of between 1.49 million and 1.51 million tonnes.

In a statement Friday, Codelco said its Chief Executive Andre Sougarret had ordered the immediate implementation of an austerity plan, cutting spending on materials, third-party services and events, among other things.

According to the statement, Sougarret asked top executives to, by the end of January, present a complete plan regarding production and investment between 2023 and 2027.

Codelco is currently implementing a multi-million-dollar investment plan to develop so-called “structural projects,” which it hopes will offset lower mineral grades at its deposits.

The company said it will continue to invest in structural projects as well as the renovation and maintenance of existing infrastructure, mining projects and environmental and community commitments.

The miner highlighted that the spending cuts should be carried out “without affecting labour safety standards.” Codelco has faced pressure to improve safety policies after two people died at its mines last July.
 
or Chinese demand
Copper has made a roaring start to 2023, defying most forecasts for an indifferent kick off and sluggish performance in the early new year.

The trigger is the China re-opening story, though why that is a big deal for copper is hard to see as the country’s appetite for the red metal hasn’t really slowed in the past year.

In the 11 months to November, China was again the biggest consumer and importer of the metal in various forms, with a record appetite for the red metal.

According to data from the General Administration of Customs, China imported 2.41 million tonnes of copper ore and its concentrate in November, hitting a new record high and a year-on-year increase of 10.26%.

According to the Chinese customs data, China also imported 358,300 tonnes of copper cathode in November, up 44% on the month and 10% for the year. Cathode imports totalled 3.32 million tonnes from January to November, up 9.36% year on year.

That is not a sign of a market that’s ‘closed’ and needs re-opening to drive extra demand.

But the facts have never stopped traders, investors and others in any market from punting on thin air and so it is in copper – the Comex price for metal delivered this month jumped back above $US4 a pound for the first time in quite a while – in fact, since June 21 last year.
 
Good to see the copper price testing the $4 level. I'd rather see it stay at this level for a while and form a solid support zone rather than rallying higher immediately. The recent higher low price of $3.70 should hold now. Copper producers and copper ETFs are all going higher. Any slowdown in the Chinese economy will only delay the inevitable rally in the price of copper.

Yes, it looks like $4 should be a significant resistance level but has just poked through. If it stays above for a bit that could become the support, but slow and steady wins the race here. Gold and copper have run a bit hard for my liking for mid term technical build.
 
Copper price continuing to firm on hopes that Chinese demand will rebound in 2023 following the lifting of COVID-19 restrictions. A weaker US dollar is also supporting metal prices. COMEX and LME copper warehouse stock levels are both declining as demand ramps up.

Bit of a perfect storm for copper at the moment and as long as current conditions persist, copper's bullishness should continue in the near term.
 
Copper doing a sensible thing and pulling back to support. Fingers crossed World events turn positive for demand. Longer term prospects are so compelling I think I’m going to sell my grandma and put it all on Cu.

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Copper doing a sensible thing and pulling back to support. Fingers crossed World events turn positive for demand. Longer term prospects are so compelling I think I’m going to sell my grandma and put it all on Cu.

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I hope you are not serious about selling your Granny ?
But if you are I suggest you hold onto her dearly for a while
"Very Dearly" as I think you will buy Lot's more COPPER later on
Not NOW!

The red line you see in the chart is not Support
It is last weeks Closing Price!

Support lines in my Experience are Myths and can be drawn anywhere
They are simple designed to fool the "Gullible"
ie : by definition
"easily persuaded to believe something credulous."
or
"an attempt to persuade a gullible public to spend their money"

BTW: How Old is your Granny anyway?
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I hope you are not serious about selling your Granny ?
But if you are I suggest you hold onto her dearly for a while
"Very Dearly" as I think you will buy Lot's more COPPER later on
Not NOW!

The red line you see in the chart is not Support
It is last weeks Closing Price!

Support lines in my Experience are Myths and can be drawn anywhere
They are simple designed to fool the "Gullible"
ie : by definition
"easily persuaded to believe something credulous."
or
"an attempt to persuade a gullible public to spend their money"

BTW: How Old is your Granny anyway?
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Grannies are gone unfortunately. ? Support across $3.90 ish looks pretty obvious to me and I shouldn’t have to point it out to this well informed swashbuckling crew.

We are on a long journey with copper, sailing around the globe. There are head winds in the SCS, ECS and Black Sea, let’s hope we find clear passage and the good ship electrification sails on.
 
Copper seems to have bounced off that 4 bucks ish region. Interesting. For now. Just need another high and higher low. I have zero confidence in these charts right now.

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