Colorado, gun control and the 2nd Amendment

nomore4s · 18 December 2012

prawn_86 said:
I disagree with your first point. Anecdotally it seems that these 'crazy' people in Australia do not go to the eoffort o obtain an illegal gun and go on a rampage; whereas it is much easier in the US (or they might already have them).

Yes there are assault weapons here in the hands of criminal gangs, but far pewer on a per capita basis, and generally the gangs tend to keep it between themselves.

It is hard to kill someone with a screwdriver whereas one nervous moment with a gun and someone can be dead

Also they might be able to get a weapon illegally but it would be harder to get as much ammo and as many automatic weapons, especially teenagers who have limited contacts and funds.

The shooter in this last incident would probably had trouble getting weapons and not have been able to cause as much damage even if he did get hold of a gun illegally. It would also make it easier (or at least more chance) for authorities to capture guys like this before they go on a shooting spree if they are buying weapons illegally as they might get word of it before any damage is done.

Tighter gun controls might not completely stop these shootings but it would make it a lot harder for depressed teenagers to go shooting up schools full of kids.

Macquack · 18 December 2012

Knobby22 said:
"The source of happiness springs from a Gun" Dick Cheney

That f***ing dope should keep his mouth shut after recklessly shoting a colleague while hunting.

Hunting incident

On February 11, 2006, Dick Cheney shot Harry Whittington, a 78-year-old Texas attorney, while participating in a quail hunt at Armstrong ranch in Kenedy County, Texas.[176] Secret Service agents and medical aides, who were traveling with Cheney, came to Whittington's assistance and treated his birdshot wounds to his right cheek, neck, and chest. An ambulance standing by for the Vice President took Whittington to nearby Kingsville before he was flown by helicopter to Corpus Christi Memorial Hospital in Corpus Christi. On February 14, 2006, Whittington suffered a non-fatal heart attack and atrial fibrillation due to at least one lead-shot pellet lodged in or near his heart.[177] Because of the small size of the birdshot pellets, doctors decided to leave up to 200 pieces of the pellets lodged in his body rather than try to remove them.

- Wikipedia.

Tink · 19 December 2012

Agree, nomore4s.
Another factor to this is their health system is so different to ours, and so many that are untreated.

I heard 10kms out from where this happened, the school was teaching the children how to use guns. The mentality of these people and guns is just crazy, and I dont think even this tragedy will make a change, it actually has the opposite effect.
Little do they know these people come armed to the teeth, including body armour when in combat, so teaching teachers and students how to use guns in situations like this is useless.

I feel for the ones that really do want change, and Obama would be the perfect candidate being on his second term, he has nothing to lose.

Ageo · 19 December 2012

Tink said:
Agree, nomore4s.

I heard 10kms out from where this happened, the school was teaching the children how to use guns.

Country schools here in AUS used to have cadets which taught all students on how to use rifles etc... nothing wrong with solid discipline, this happens across the world but for some reason the U.S has these lunatics time and time again which is a much deeper problem in the society itself....

Another thing to consider is that decades ago in the U.S they had access to these types of firearms but you never heard of mass shootings like you do today

Sadistic is not even the word to describe the current events

DB008 · 19 December 2012

NRA goes silent after Conn. school shooting

http://news.msn.com/politics/nra-goes-silent-after-conn-school-shooting?ocid=ansnews11

From the article.....

Seldom has the NRA gone so long after a fatal shooting without a public presence. It resumed tweeting just one day after a gunman killed two people and then himself at an Oregon shopping mall last Tuesday, and one day after six people were fatally shot at a Sikh temple in Wisconsin in August.

The Connecticut shootings occurred three days after the incident in Oregon.

Ageo · 19 December 2012

DB008 said:
NRA goes silent after Conn. school shooting

http://news.msn.com/politics/nra-goes-silent-after-conn-school-shooting?ocid=ansnews11

From the article.....

In fairness DB no lobby (pro or anti) should be using tragic events to justify their position in a such a short time frame, the greens for example always do this...

This time should be spent mourning the losses of those loved ones, there will be plenty of time for debates/arguments later

DB008 · 19 December 2012

Ageo said:
In fairness DB no lobby (pro or anti) should be using tragic events to justify their position in a such a short time frame, the greens for example always do this...

This time should be spent mourning the losses of those loved ones, there will be plenty of time for debates/arguments later

I spoke too soon...

NRA breaks silence to promise ‘meaningful’ action to prevent Newtown repeat

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/12/18/nra-breaks-silence-to-promise-meaningful-action-to-prevent-newtown-repeat/

Ageo · 19 December 2012

As press release from NRA

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE FOR MORE INFORMATION
December 18, 2012 NRA Public Affairs (703) 267-3820
NRA STATEMENT
The National Rifle Association of America is made up of four million moms and dads, sons and daughters – and we were shocked, saddened and heartbroken by the news of the horrific and senseless murders in Newtown.
Out of respect for the families, and as a matter of common decency, we have given time for mourning, prayer and a full investigation of the facts before commenting.
The NRA is prepared to offer meaningful contributions to help make sure this never happens again.
The NRA is planning to hold a major news conference in the Washington, DC area on Friday, December 21.
Details will be released to the media at the appropriate time.
http://home.nra.org/#/nraorg

CanOz · 19 December 2012

The equities markets are showing the emotion too, lots of gun stocks taking a beating. One big PE firm selling its stake in Freedom as well.....from the Bloomy...

CanOz

Bushman · 19 December 2012

Ageo said:
In fairness DB no lobby (pro or anti) should be using tragic events to justify their position in a such a short time frame, the greens for example always do this...

This time should be spent mourning the losses of those loved ones, there will be plenty of time for debates/arguments later

I disagree strongly. When twenty very young children are slaughtered by a stranger at a school, then the debate should start then and there. These are adult politicians and lobby groups tasked with providing a policy response to an on-going danger to its society. The greatest 'respect' that can be shown to these families is for the fence sitting to stop today so that future massacres can be prevented. Otherwise the death of these children and teachers will be in vain.

By providing an emotive argument that debate should be stalled, the NRA is attempting to take the 'heat' out of the situation to ensure the status quo remains.

For me, there are two legitimate outcomes from here:
1. America adopts meaningful gun control; or
2. America decides that the second amendment is, indeed, that important to the function of its society that they immediately begin fortifying their social infrastructure to a much greater degree and profiling their citizens for potential 'lone wolves'. With the freedom of ownership of modern guns comes a loss of freedom in other aspects of life.

The founding fathers did not envisage a teenager slaughtering children with an assualt rifle after all when penning the second amendment. I am not a Consitutional expert by any means, but it is my understandign that it was designed to enshrine the rights of musket-bearing state militia to protect themselves from the forces of colonialism/federalism.

Ageo · 19 December 2012

Bushman said:
By providing an emotive argument that debate should be stalled, the NRA is attempting to take the 'heat' out of the situation to ensure the status quo remains.

Bushman, whenever 1 becomes emotional in a response its usually never the right form of action, as mentioned earlier the NRA is going to have press conference so it will be there where will see what the outcome will be...

I agree with closing the gun show loophole (i.e no background checks with private gun dealers) that will be something i think they will look to implement and it should have a good impact but the point still remains the mental health, tv programming and overall state of the U.S society is in shambles and needs attention IMO

Smurf1976 · 19 December 2012

Ageo said:
the point still remains the mental health, tv programming and overall state of the U.S society is in shambles and needs attention IMO

I think a better way to put it would be "the mental health, tv programming and overall state of society is in shambles and needs attention"

Those underlying issues are just as real in Australia as they are in the US. You don't have to go far to find someone who is stressed to the max. Not far at all. Thankfully, we don't have so many guns lying around.....

DB008 · 24 December 2012

Don't talk about the 2nd amendment......

US gun advocates seek British CNN host deportation

US gun rights advocates have signed a White House petition calling for British CNN host Piers Morgan to be deported for allegedly attacking the Second Amendment.

The outspoken former British tabloid editor has spoken out for greater gun control measures in the wake of the December 14 massacre at Sandy Hook elementary school in Newtown, Connecticut.

And he's unimpressed by the deportation calls.

"Ironic US gun rights campaign to deport me for 'attacking 2nd Amendment rights' - is my opinion not protected under 1st Amendment rights?," he posted on his Twitter feed on Saturday, referring to freedom of speech provisions.

http://www.news.com.au/world/us-gun-advocates-seek-cnn-host-deportation/story-fndir2ev-1226542845569

McLovin · 24 December 2012

DB008 said:
Don't talk about the 2nd amendment......

First rule of the 2nd Amendement, do not mention the 1st Amendment.

If you don't like it...suck on my machine gun!

burglar · 26 December 2012

DB008 said:
Don't talk about the 2nd amendment......

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-12-25/thousands-petition-to-deport-anti-gun-tv-host/4443314

DB008 · 19 January 2013

At a mall, in America....

'open carry'

Ageo · 21 January 2013

At a bar in Israel

"Open Carry"

you dont see the same related deaths there and they are at war

its the American psyche that needs addressing more than anything

dutchie · 21 January 2013

Ageo said:
At a bar in Israel

"Open Carry"

you dont see the same related deaths there and they are at war

its the American psyche that needs addressing more than anything

View attachment 50524

Must be a rough bar!

CanOz · 21 January 2013

Those carbines have had the magazines removed....

bellenuit · 21 January 2013

CanOz said:
Those carbines have had the magazines removed....

And they are all carrying the same style weapon, all pointing down, which would suggest that they are off duty soldiers in a dangerous part of the country or perhaps reservists after a training session.

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Commonsense isn't that common

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DB008

Ageo

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Ageo

CanOz

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dutchie

CanOz

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