Bicycle Helmets Kill

[gav]

Re: Bicycycle Helmets Kill

Deadly silence,

All the peleton vaseline greased and lycra clad mob with their silly helmets must be out and about running little old folk down of a Sunday run.

gg

And don't forget running red lights too, without being held accountable.

My condolences for the loss of your friend GG.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

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And don't forget running red lights too, without being held accountable.

My condolences for the loss of your friend GG.

thanks Burnsie,

He was a lovely guy who cycled from the Bohle to the Strand every day. He never wore a helmet and was a real gentleman.

Its these peleton fascisti who travel at huge speeds in vaseline and lycra mobs who have brought this obscenity of bicycle helmets upon our populace.

Imagine how many ordinary aussies who would get on their bikes as they did long ago without a helmet to go to the local small shopping to buy milk and bread and other essentials like bundy and condoms, without a helmet, to enjoy a gentle cycle at 20 kmh in our beautiful country.

All stopped because of stupid legislators and the peleton.

gg

 

[gav]

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My name is Gav, not Burnsie! Not that old yet! :

62 is still too young to die...

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

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My name is Gav, not Burnsie! Not that old yet! :

62 is still too young to die...

My apologies Gav.

Make sure you see a proper doctor, not a bulk billing mob with a pink piano.

gg

 

[MrBurns]

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My apologies Gav.

Make sure you see a proper doctor, not a bulk billing mob with a pink piano.

gg

On that note I'll throw in my condolences as well especially as I've already been thanked.

Didn't in the first place because someone dying "recently" could mean 6 months ago meaning condolences would be redundant by now.

 

[MrBurns]

Re: Bicycycle Helmets Kill

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Imagine how many ordinary aussies who would get on their bikes as they did long ago without a helmet to go to the local small shopping to buy milk and bread and other essentials like bundy and condoms, without a helmet, to enjoy a gentle cycle at 20 kmh in our beautiful country.
gg

Somethng along these lines. a gentlemans bike.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

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Saw one yesterday doing about 50kph on a track around bends if there were any kids coming the other the bastard would have killed them.

And don't forget running red lights too, without being held accountable.

My condolences for the loss of your friend GG.

thanks Burnsie and Gav,

and I don't think ever for the most teensie weensie moment that you are both a pain in the ****, never.

He was a lovely guy who cycled from the Bohle to the Strand every day. He never wore a helmet and was a real gentleman.

Its these peleton fascisti who travel at huge speeds in vaseline and lycra mobs who have brought this obscenity of bicycle helmets upon our populace.

Imagine how many ordinary aussies who would get on their bikes as they did long ago without a helmet to go to the local small shopping to buy milk and bread and other essentials like bundy and condoms, without a helmet, to enjoy a gentle cycle at 20 kmh in our beautiful country.

All stopped because of stupid legislators and the peleton.

gg

 

[Agentm]

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imho,

and speaking as a lycra addict..

helmet for all roadies and off roaders

man invented machine, machine hurts man,

mechanics of cycling is thus easy to understand.. low speed minimal impact. high speed.. a bit more impact by factor of pye squared many times..

but these menacing metal propelled machines we call autos

they make mince meat of your mind

helmet is excellent for your health regardless of nostalga

all imho and dyo lycra research dyolr

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

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imho,

and speaking as a lycra addict..

helmet for all roadies and off roaders

man invented machine, machine hurts man,

mechanics of cycling is thus easy to understand.. low speed minimal impact. high speed.. a bit more impact by factor of pye squared many times..

but these menacing metal propelled machines we call autos

they make mince meat of your mind

helmet is excellent for your health regardless of nostalga

all imho and dyo lycra research dyolr

I should rest my case as you've proven my point.

But just to make it perfectly clear.

1. Most cycling accidents occur on major highways and the victims are by and large lycra clad.

2. There is a hidden loss of life, amongst those who would cycle if bicycle helmets were not required. They would be fitter and happier.

3. There is no evidence , anywhere that a population as a whole, ( not just the lycra mob ) are safer or healthier after the introduction of compulsory helmets for bicycle riders.

gg

 

[Gordon Gekko]

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I've had 2 big wipe outs and two big head injuries mountain biking plus loads of scraps and bruises. I feel that you should wear a helmet as a matter of personal responsibility. The last thing you would want to be is a burden on family or spouse as you are a vegetable.

If you do not and you get injured you should be completely responsible for the cost associated with the injury and not sponge off the tax payers.

I agree with GG. Riding to the store to get milk etc, no helmet but if you fall and smack you head your on your own as you should have known better. If you are side swiped by a 16 year old on her mobile texting her boyfriend then she (regardless of her age) should be responsible for the costs.

If we could somehow get back to personal responsibilites and being held accountable for your own actions then maybe we could get back to a time that GG is talking about.
Its so sad we are going the way of the US with law suits against maccas for not putting the lid on the bloody coffee on tight enough.

G

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

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I've had 2 big wipe outs and two big head injuries mountain biking plus loads of scraps and bruises. I feel that you should wear a helmet as a matter of personal responsibility. The last thing you would want to be is a burden on family or spouse as you are a vegetable.

If you do not and you get injured you should be completely responsible for the cost associated with the injury and not sponge off the tax payers.

I agree with GG. Riding to the store to get milk etc, no helmet but if you fall and smack you head your on your own as you should have known better. If you are side swiped by a 16 year old on her mobile texting her boyfriend then she (regardless of her age) should be responsible for the costs.

If we could somehow get back to personal responsibilites and being held accountable for your own actions then maybe we could get back to a time that GG is talking about.
Its so sad we are going the way of the US with law suits against maccas for not putting the lid on the bloody coffee on tight enough.

G

Thanks mate.

There are lots of folk like me who ride without a bicycle helmet as we hate the bloody things.

We don't go mountain bike riding or ride on highways.

We ride on bike paths or backstreets.

And we hate bicycle helmets.

Australia would be a healthier place if there was no requirement to wear a helmet unless you were a mountain bike rider or a peleton member.

More people would ride bikes.

The cops ignore me now as I make them take me down to the station and I make sure I waste as much of their time as possible until someone shouts out from the back, "don't you know its ****ing Gumnut, send the bastard home.

gg

 

[Bobby]

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The cops ignore me now as I make them take me down to the station and I make sure I waste as much of their time as possible until someone shouts out from the back, "don't you know its ****ing Gumnut, send the bastard home.

gg

Tell us more of that outcome GG !!

 

[wayneL]

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I do around 150K a week on the Pushy.

I keep to tracks and only go on the road for around 4K a day.
Hate that 4K.
I wear a helmut but refuse to wear Lycra---not a good look!

Here in the UK, the land of the health and safety fascists, it is still not compulsory to wear a helmet.

I *choose* to wear one if I'm riding seriously, but don't if pottering down to the shop to buy the daily propaganda.

On lycra - there is a strict points system here for overtaking other riders. There are extra points for overtaking lycra-clad riders if wearing civies. They of course loose points.

(It also includes type of bike, tyres, whether the legs are shaven etc but helmets not considered)

It makes for permanent racing conditions on the roads here... and lots of knowing smiles lol.

I ride an MTB with slicks and "never" lycra. I get a lot of points.

I get passed a lot by the lycra-clad, shaven legged, logo wearing smart-@rses, but no points for passing me.

Only those dressed like Fagan and bike shod with knobblies can score extra points for overtaking me... of there have been one or embarrassing occurrences, accompanied by the inevitable knowing smile. LOL

 

[Timmy]

Now here is something weird.

Seems there is a free bike-swap scheme operational in Melbourne city (great for a bit of exercise while seeing the sights of the city, like, um, ... actually I will have to think about this) but no-one is riding the bikes due to the compulsory-helmet laws.

So, now the idea is to waive the compulsory helmet laws when you are on one of these bikes.



Article: Helmet law makes nonsense of bike hire scheme
Link: http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/h...e-hire-scheme-20100722-10my2.html?autostart=1

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

Now here is something weird.

Seems there is a free bike-swap scheme operational in Melbourne city (great for a bit of exercise while seeing the sights of the city, like, um, ... actually I will have to think about this) but no-one is riding the bikes due to the compulsory-helmet laws.

So, now the idea is to waive the compulsory helmet laws when you are on one of these bikes.

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Article: Helmet law makes nonsense of bike hire scheme
Link: http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/h...e-hire-scheme-20100722-10my2.html?autostart=1

There is certainly no evidence that one needs a helmet unless one is a lycra clad loon riding a bike with a mob of others in a peleton or some such, at speed.

Sacheting down to ones tobacconist or bottleshop of a morning on an old bike with one's dog running along beside, is one of the pleasures of life, which should not be spoiled by having to wear a styrofoam omelette on one's head.

It is also safe.

gg

 

[GumbyLearner]

Sacheting down to ones tobacconist or bottleshop of a morning on an old bike with one's dog running along beside, is one of the pleasures of life, which should not be spoiled by having to wear a styrofoam omelette on one's head.

gg

You should at least wear a cap on your way down to the tobacconists though gg. At least that way you could keep the sun out of your eyes and clearly see where you're going. To enhance the experience you could also pretend you were in a Ferrari and buy fashion that suits. But I wouldn't advise buying any of those cheap knockoffs made in the sweatshops. Only official merchandise.

 

[Buckfont]

Timmy, shouldn`t read bicycle hire scheme makes nonsense of helmet laws.

They still don`t have helmets for any form of two wheel transport in the USA, it`s an optional choice, and a lot of the bikies feel a bandana will do just fine.

Just another form of control by over protective govts where our choice is slowly being eroded by those in power.

gg is right, who wants to go through the motions to nick down to the shops for a litre of milk.

 

[Timmy]

Timmy, shouldn`t read bicycle hire scheme makes nonsense of helmet laws.

Hi Buckfont - my apologies if I have misunderstood what you have said here, those words are not mine, just the headline on the article:



See link: http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/h...e-hire-scheme-20100722-10my2.html?autostart=1

 

[orr]

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They still don`t have helmets for any form of two wheel transport in the USA, it`s an optional choice, and a lot of the bikies feel a bandana will do just fine.

It's only selected states with regard motorcycles, I can't talk to bicycles in the US.
Compulsory Bicycle Helmet Laws in this country are a disingenous over-reactive political knee jerk response, that an aquiesent take it from behind population deserve to have inflicted on them, because, apparently that's the way we like it, THICK AND NANNY STATE

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

As a lad I remember people of all shapes and sizes riding bicycles. It was a good cheap efficient way for us working class people to get about our trips to school, work or technical college.

Recent laws led by the New Class have deprived workers of this pleasant cheap means of transport.

Bicycle riding is now the domain of swarthy waxed gentlemen and executives of our major corporations.

I believe this to be due to the introduction of the bicycle helmet by the meddling lefties of the eighties.

My favourite Sunday morning coffee shop has been taken over by these hairless wonders, and the girls are no better. They all bear those badges of affluence the lycra suit and the drreaded helmet. Some of the men have lumps in their necks so tight are the suits.

I have seen some fat people attempt to wear these helmets. They look ridiculous, like a fried egg on an over sized bun. Christ knows how they would protect them in an accident.

It thus discourages workers and particularly fat people from cycling, at great cost to their health.

Lets face it if a truck runs you over on a bicycle the egg on top ain't going to help you.

So I would ask all ASF posters to lobby their local members to remove this ridiculous law from the statute books.

A link for you to read

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicycle_helmet#Are_helmets_harmful.3F_Undesirable_effects_of_helmet_use

gg

I fail to be convinced that bicycle helmets are useful for the majority of working people.

Its OK for our betters like CEO's and Premier Anna Bligh in their ridiculous chicken leg lycra.

A Dr. Rissel agrees with me.

I heard a report on Fran Kelly's Pravda Report on the ABC this morning alluding to a study backing my belief. I believe this to be the one that her comradeship was quoting.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/call-to-repeal-law-on-bicycle-helmets-20100815-12573.html

Dr Rissel said that although helmets protect heads, they also discourage casual cycling, where people use a bike to get milk or visit a friend.

Scrapping compulsory helmet use, he believes, would reverse that, improve health rates and reduce injury rates because getting more cyclists on the roads would make motorists better at avoiding them.

To reach their conclusions, Dr Rissel analysed the ratio of head injuries to arm injuries among cyclists admitted to hospital between 1988 and 2008. He assumed the ratio would not change unless helmet use reduced head injury rates compared with arm injury rates.

Their findings showed that most of the fall in head injury rates occurred before the laws came into force.

After the new laws, they found ''a continued but declining reduction in the ratio of head injuries to arm injuries [and] … it is likely that factors other than the mandatory helmet legislation reduced head injuries''.

Dr Rissel said for many cyclists, particularly children and those riding longer distances, helmets were a good idea.

Although good ideas usually travelled around the world, only New Zealand had adopted Australia's model.

gg