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Well I'm quite sure a helmet saved my life a few years ago, or at least several months in hospital getting my skull held back together which I am sure wouldn't have been too fun. So I think they're probably a good thing.

Mandating that riders *must* wear a helmet gets into personal freedom, however keeping somebody on life-support isn't too cheap..
 
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It was a well known story that a gentleman from my old high school (RIP), whose father was a Doctor, was made to wear a good ole Stackhat when he was sitting in the car. :D

Cool as a Cucumber...
 
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This is a better example -
 

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Trembling Hand said:
We should get rid of that silly compulsory seat belt rule as well.
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I am all for that and all for no helmets on motorcycles etc.

As an adult in a modern society I believe they should be my choices. Governments should should be to present me the research (i.e education), without fear or favor, and then let me decide.

If it was really about saving lives, or keeping health costs down then helmets in cars would be compulsory. Ask any neurosurgeon about the damages to the brain from side impacts in vehicles. Saving lives is is bureaucrat speak for interference.

If they wanted to keep the health budget down, they should encourage people to overeat and to smoke. eg

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/02/05/healthscience/obese.php

Preventing obesity and smoking can save lives, but it does not save money, according to a new report.

It costs more to care for healthy people who live years longer, according to a Dutch study that counters the common perception that preventing obesity would save governments millions of dollars.
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Trevor_S said:
I am all for that and all for no helmets on motorcycles etc.

As an adult in a modern society I believe they should be my choices. Governments should should be to present me the research (i.e education), without fear or favor, and then let me decide.
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BS. I don't want to pay any more tax to preventable injuries just because someone isn't smart enough to see the stupidity in there own action.

This is ridiculus. Go ahead don't wear a seat belt or a helmet if you thing that's your right. Just for warn the poor ambo's and doc's who have to scrap your brains off the windscreen/road that you have a "do not ably medico treatment" on you ar$e.
 
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Maybe Garpal has a point. It would certainly improve the gene pool.


ice
 
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Agreed that bicycle helmets should be required by law to save on 3rd party tax for car drivers, suffering ambos and not to mention the extra medicare levy we all pay. But the anti-choice lobby that is bearing down on us does stink, it has made me a cynical so and so, I no longer like the lefty policies I once applauded. For instance after the bushfires people are going to introduce legislation to stop houses being built in the bush, I've even heard a lunatic reciting that people and gum trees can't coexist. I suppose that's another thread but people are often over-zelous in reacting to events and enacting 'no choice' laws. For the record I was made to wear a bike helmet as a kid and when I bought a bike after several years absence from the saddle I went for the new helmet straight away, I'd prefer not to be a dribbling mess.
 
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Cracked me up there TH & Ice :D:D. There is good lycra & bad lycra, just like there's good nude & bad nude - there, play with that one ;)

Pro helmet, seat belt etc it's common sense to some, maybe that could be the problem with the nay sayers?
 
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Garpal Gumnut said:
I believe this to be due to the introduction of the bicycle helmet by the meddling lefties of the eighties.


gg
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Funny you say that. I always equate modern day biking (i.e. post the penny farthing) with fascism. Notice the following:
1. a love of those lycra uniforms;
2. a strange obsession with body hair;
3, a love of conquering new cafes; and
3. a boorish crowd mentality that means they violently flip you (a.k.a the motorist) the bird at the slightest perceived infringement of their rights.

I was very perturbed to discover that my favourite cafe has been taken over by these lycra-wearing benuded two-wheeling valkyries. Now, and forever more, my morning soy chai latte will just not be the same.

PS: a yes for helmets, or is that helmuts?
 
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Thank you all for the comments.

The main thrusts of my argument were:

1. Many people have been discouraged from cycling because of the need to buy and wear these pieces of fragile foam.

2. They are not comfortable to wear.

3. There is no proof they prevent death or spilling of brain matter, even on micro analysis (for you tech/a lol)

4. We would have a vibrant bicycle culture if these egg tops were made optional.

5. I've got no problem with folk who choose to wear a bicycle helmet, its a bit like having a financial adviser. if it makes you feel better and its not going to make any difference, and you can afford it, why not?

gg
 
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Garpal Gumnut said:
Thank you all for the comments.

The main thrusts of my argument were:

Many people have been discouraged from cycling because of the need to buy and wear these pieces of fragile foam.
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Utter tripe. Please state where you gleaned this data. hearsay doesn't cut it, nor talk back radio type data.

2. They are not comfortable to wear.
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Maybe you have a weird head.

3. There is no proof they prevent death or spilling of brain matter, even on micro analysis (for you tech/a lol)
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Please state where I can read the executive summary to correlate with your statement. I'd be most interested to peruse it. I've done quite a bit of research on motorcycle helmets and am always interested in learning more from the testing processes.

We would have a vibrant bicycle culture if these egg tops were made optional.
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We already do. You need to get out more. Maybe you can't see all the cyclists from your cafe vantage point due to all the lycra clad cyclists blocking your view :confused:



Cheers,
 
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Trembling Hand said:
GG we all know 5's are important to you.

You are obviously off your meds. First the thread of delusional grandeur now your thread of false "facts".
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as Pauline would say "Please explain"

Take your leathers and pixels off and give an opinion.

gg
 
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Trevor_S said:
As an adult in a modern society I believe they should be my choices. Governments should should be to present me the research (i.e education), without fear or favor, and then let me decide.
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In principle that sounds sensible, but in practice you know very well that a great chunk of our population would not read the research, and/or be incapable of evaluating it in any worthwhile way.

So once again we fall back on the position of legislating for that cliche "the lowest common denominator" and the choice is removed from us.

Although I have little sympathy with this approach in general, in the case of helmets I think it makes absolute sense.

Re the Lycra, that is another whole story! Especially on anyone even one kilo overweight.
 
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Julia said:
In principle that sounds sensible, but in practice you know very well that a great chunk of our population would not read the research, and/or be incapable of evaluating it in any worthwhile way.

So once again we fall back on the position of legislating for that cliche "the lowest common denominator" and the choice is removed from us.

Although I have little sympathy with this approach in general, in the case of helmets I think it makes absolute sense.

Re the Lycra, that is another whole story! Especially on anyone even one kilo overweight.
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Julia that study is severely flawed. It doesn't take into count the extra revenue of a healthy person working and paying tax v a sick unproductive person. And that study didn't take into count the quality of live of people that are obese and smoke.

As for the lycra cycling cloths aren't made of that. haven't since about 86. mostly its a poly/cotton blend. yep fat middle age people don't look great in anything tight fitting. But stiff ****. I love it when I go for a ride and see beach road full of all sorts having a go. Its Australia not Afghanistan under the Taliban!!
 
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Trembling Hand said:
Julia that study is severely flawed. It doesn't take into count the extra revenue of a healthy person working and paying tax v a sick unproductive person. And that study didn't take into count the quality of live of people that are obese and smoke.
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I'm happy to accept that, TH. I wasn't specifically referring to that study alone, but rather the general principle of governments making decisions on our behalf.

As for the lycra cycling cloths aren't made of that. haven't since about 86. mostly its a poly/cotton blend. yep fat middle age people don't look great in anything tight fitting. But stiff ****. I love it when I go for a ride and see beach road full of all sorts having a go. Its Australia not Afghanistan under the Taliban!!
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Hmm, I too love to see people having a go. But please could they not wear tight fitting stuff that just accentuates the rolls of fat. Just too gross!
 
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